Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) *Read warnings in OP*

Doctor Jimbob

Hamsterchops wrote: »

- Hot off the press -
Saturday 7th March.



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Are those the latest FIFA rankings?

Duke of Url

Did the HSE change there advice for people flying in from Italy?

The original advice failed at the first hurdle

The GP at the centre of a coronavirus outbreak in Co Clare sought advice from the HSE following his return from Italy and was cleared to work, it is understood.

The father-of-two initially contacted public health officials on his return over two weeks ago and again within the past seven days.

As he was not showing symptoms, he was advised it was safe to keep working.

Has this changed in any way?

Bob24

runawaybishop wrote: »

The HSE, who inform the response,are following advice from WHO. It is an overreaction to shut the country down because we have a handful of cases.

Thing is, between shutting down the country and doing what we are currently doing in terms of proactive measures (very little), there are quite many intermediary stages.

Equating any request for more proactive measures to shutting down the country is as much scaremongering as saying we are all going to die.

Wibbs

runawaybishop wrote: »

The diamond princess, a closed system, had 700 out of 4k infected and has had 6 deaths.

We will not have tens of thousands dead here, cop on a bit.

Exactly and of that 700 infected on the ship, over half showed no symptoms at all.

whiskeyman

whiskeyman wrote: »

Pregnant woman have lower immune system so I'd be asking a doctor for advice here.

This is true. You GP and OB/GYN should always be first port of call.

The first thread was more info led though and easier to read.

Wibbs

Though I do agree that going ahead with the Patrick's day parades is beyond idiocy.

CinemaGuy45

Ninthlife wrote: »

A great man once said and it may be relevant here

Fear leads to anger,, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering

Great man he was a muppet.

NIMAN

Re: the 20000 tested in UK and 163 positive.

Why the huge number tested and most coming back negative?

Have people who have ordinary flu all suspected they have corona? Surely this is going to clog the system?

Unless flights are cancelled then cancelling the parade will have limited effect.

This is from an article in 2017:
"Last year, over 105,000 out-of-state visitors attended the St Patrick's Festival in Dublin, according to research on behalf of Fáilte Ireland."
https://m.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-news/record-numbers-jet-in-for-st-patricks-day-as-tourism-season-kicks-off-35534530.html

whisky_galore

Carol25 wrote: »

As this virus spreads, I’m quite surprised at the utter lack of empathy for the Chinese, Italians, Iranians, South Koreans, Japanese and many more. Everyone is concerned with minding their own patch and turning against each other to survive. Have we lost our humanity?
As as for those I saw yesterday over filling your trolleys to the point you could barely wheel them out of the shop...cop on to yourselves. Ireland is a food secure nation as far as I know-producing 3/4 times the amount of food we would need?
I can now understand why the HSE are being secretive, people seem to want to name and shame the infected, do a run on the supermarkets, and generally not behave in a compassionate or logical way with this.

I'm sure the Chinese are saying "Oh what about those poor oul Paddies and their sh1t health service, they haven't a hope."

volchitsa

willowthewisp wrote: »

Let’s all go to Togo , Let’s all go to Togo, la la la la!

One is one too many, will be 10 next week, and more after that. Mongolia has zero. Can't we all go there?




Oh wait. They won't want us.

owlbethere

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

I listened to the last WHO press conference... They said that their advice and recommendations are not written in stone like the 12 commandments. They are to be adjusted to fit the local circumstances.

Putting on the blinkers, repeating the mantra about the containment phase and ignoring what is happening on the island next door is IMHO really stupid.

We should be proactive rather than reactive.

This virus is still new and circulating. That 20,000 figure that was tested in the uk, they could end up being retested in the coming months. I suppose it will be important to keep in mind that a test doesn't give someone immunity. Guidelines will still have to be continued.

kowloonkev

faceman wrote: »

So you went to a public hospital for a sore throat and a private hospital for everything else and you somehow think that’s comparable? lol

obviously you don't know anything apart from shooting other people down, which seems to be a nice hobby for you. nothing at all to back yourself up.

CinemaGuy45

kowloonkev wrote: »

obviously you don't know anything apart from shooting other people down, which seems to be a nice hobby for you. nothing at all to back yourself up.

Oh look another new user defending the HSE.:rolleyes:

Rob A. Bank

runawaybishop wrote: »

What, so we should blockade the country? How would that work, exactly.

I never said "we should blockade the country".

Enough of the reductio ad absurdum debating tricks.

Drumpot

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

I listened to the last WHO press conference... They said that their advice and recommendations are not written in stone like the 12 commandments. They are to be adjusted to fit the local circumstances.

Putting on the blinkers, repeating the mantra about the containment phase and ignoring what is happening on the island next door is IMHO really stupid.

We should be proactive rather than reactive.

I totally agree but where I disagree with some is that our authority’s appear to be taking direction from the rest of Europe that’s making a balls of this. That is, we aren’t stupidly walking into a worse scenario on our own.

There are other factors to consider of course but I don’t think they realise that you can’t control this sort of spread like you can with a global financial crisis. USA slashing interest rates was a prime example. You can only truly gauge how bad it is in your country with mass testing. If we had, for example 1000 people infected today in Ireland and are only testing 70 a day, by the time we have tested those 1000 there will be thousands more.

Surely they understand this and have no logical reason to presume otherwise. I’ve said it before, start encouraging all non essential work to move home and support small business to do this or shut up shop for two weeks. Close down schools but support crèches and other children support services (they did this in South Korea) so parents who have to work can make arrangements. In two working family’s maybe one parent will have to stay at home, that’s just the sacrifice that’s gonna have to be made.

Have banks and other institutions bring in more flexible moratoriums and deals with people who may need to miss bills for a month or two. Basically keep as much of the workforce working as possible , as much working from home and make it easy for people to stay at home to slow the spread. It’s just basic common sense. Nobody is saying it will be easy or without its problems but what is the financial and human cost to waiting until it gets worse Before taking drastic measures. Offer refunds or incentivise airlines to reschedule a reasonable offer to peopel who have pre planned trips, basically make it easy for people to not go on trips anywhere for the next month or so.

We need to br proactive not reactive. They are not doing enough in Europe. They are talking about what they might do and doing little to nothing to actually slow the spread.

NIMAN

NIMAN wrote: »

Re: the 20000 tested in UK and 163 positive.

Why the huge number tested and most coming back negative?

Have people who have ordinary flu all suspected they have corona? Surely this is going to clog the system?

Irish people do not know what the flu is. They get a cold and call it the flu. I've had the flu maybe twice or three times in my life and the real flu will absolutely floor you and it is not uncommon to think you are dying. And that's without a deadly disease about.

Anyone with flu symptoms should isolate themselves and absolutely get tested.

SusanC10

Are people still going out and socialising?

Husband went to leaving drinks last night for a work colleague. Dublin. Had a couple of drinks and home reasonably early. Said numbers were down versus similar nights out previously.

I am going out tonight - locally for dinner with a group of my female friends.
Restaurant rang last night to confirm that we are still coming which wouldn't be the norm for this particular place.

KWAG2019

It’s very clear that companies, professional organizations, community groups and individuals have found the caretaker govts response on self isolation and cancellation inadequate. Varadkar’s offensive and revealing statement about meeting “stakeholders” about the St Patrick’s Day events has stirred more anger from families of immune compromised people and the elderly.

Quite simply how we get through this will depend on front line medical people, international search for a vaccine and our own discipline and efforts.

utmbuilder

Not trolling here
I'm 37 my folks still have me on vhi, 65k to 100k hospital stay covered for this illness avaible.

The sad part is with home ownership and other bills I didn't get vhi for my wife and kids, 26 week waiting period if I set them up for claims.

irishgeo

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

I listened to the last WHO press conference... They said that their advice and recommendations are not written in stone like the 12 commandments. They are to be adjusted to fit the local circumstances.

Putting on the blinkers, repeating the mantra about the containment phase and ignoring what is happening on the island next door is IMHO really stupid.

We should be proactive rather than reactive.

0.00024379% of the uk population has it. Calm down people.

volchitsa

Deleted User wrote: »

Irish people do not know what the flu is. They get a cold and call it the flu. I've had the flu maybe twice or three times in my life and the real flu will absolutely floor you and it is not uncommon to think you are dying. And that's without a deadly disease about.

Anyone with flu symptoms should isolate themselves and absolutely get tested.

Yes, this. I got it about 15 years back and literally could not walk. I had to get the doctor to come out to me - I don't know if I've ever done that in my life, including when I was pregnant - and it wasn't even because I was afraid of infecting anyone, but because I just didn't have the strength to even get dressed never mind walk outside the house.

Straffan1979

whisky_galore wrote: »

I'm sure the Chinese are saying "Oh what about those poor oul Paddies and their sh1t health service, they haven't a hope."

If you’re seriously/critically ill or medical emergency there is no two tier health system etc etc... you’ll receive world class treatment and every avenue regardless of cost will be pursued to keep you alive.

The waiting lists etc are obviously different thing but we have an excellent standard of healthcare here if you were to find yourself critically ill from COVID-19 and unfortunately a very small percentage of people will.

haydeyhi

Would something like this help vunerable people.
zoro.com/lakeland-encapsulated-suit-level-a-blue-80714/i/G7674672/

Funsterdelux

KWAG2019 wrote: »

It’s very clear that companies, professional organizations, community groups and individuals have found the caretaker govts response on self isolation and cancellation inadequate. Varadkar’s offensive and revealing statement about meeting “stakeholders” about the St Patrick’s Day events has stirred more anger from families of immune compromised people and the elderly.

Quite simply how we get through this will depend on front line medical people, international search for a vaccine and our own discipline and efforts.

A new slogan for everyone annoyed at St Pat day not been cancelled

"Just don't go"

Smaller parades are cancelling because they have some cop on.

Maddox Jealous Yard

Maddox Jealous Yard wrote: »

I mean, I know he's a pharmacist, but I'd at least have expected him to know the roles of his colleagues.

Why the shade about been a pharmacist? I don't slag off your profession whatever it is. So there is lab technicians, but there is also cardiac technicians, MRI technicians etc. You need to be more specific. Hope this helps

Irish Guitarist

I don't know if this has been posted already but there's a petition to cancel the parade. https://www.change.org/p/irish-government-cancel-the-2020-st-patrick-s-day-parades-in-ireland-to-help-reduce-the-spread-of-covid-19

Fireball81

Straffan1979 wrote: »

If you’re seriously/critically ill or medical emergency there is no two tier health system etc etc... you’ll receive world class treatment and every avenue regardless of cost will be pursued to keep you alive.

The waiting lists etc are obviously different thing but we have an excellent standard of healthcare here if you were to find yourself critically ill from COVID-19 and unfortunately a very small percentage of people will.

Something the media never publicise, it's always ****.

seamus

runawaybishop wrote: »

WHO does not recommend a shutdown, what makes you an expert to recommend we close the country off? Bearing in mind we share a hugely porous border with another country.

The thing that the panic merchants don't seem to accept that we're still on the early days of this virus. Figures from everywhere except China suggesting it's not as lethal or infectious as first believed.

We still have to play wait-and-see in terms of our response, and take precautions appropriate to what we know is the risk level.

Closing down everything now would be like remortgaging your house to stock up on pasta and toilet roll.
It might pay off, there's a small chance you've done exactly the right thing. But there's a much bigger chance that you've overreacted and will spend the next 3 decades paying for it.

CinemaGuy45

Maybe people should organise a protest march to cancel the parade.

An Irish solution to an Irish problem.