Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) *Read warnings in OP*

ACitizenErased

A lot of people are ignoring the fact that the Italian government, the Irish government and many others have prioritised the economic benefits of the airline industry over stopping the spread. We would have zero cases if flights to/from Italy were cancelled earlier. It's not speculation, it's a fact.

fritzelly

saabsaab wrote: »

Yes we should,
All shops and businesses should have spray disinfectant at the doors.
Till operators should have hand gel and gloves.
Flights from affected areas should be stopped (Including UK if necessary),

All schools and colleges same as shops, buses and trains,

no GAA training or other sports traiining,

no public gatherings,

Stay in your house as much as possible in order to make sure we don't spread it to others.
Call up the civil defense and territorials.

https://extra.ie/2020/03/07/news/irish-news/supervalu-finglas-sanitising-station-coronavirus

gozunda

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You think anyone wants to read about the flu?

Maybe be best to direct that to the poster to whom I was replying...

WhiteMemento9

NH2013 wrote: »

Surely we're now at the "inkling" of an outbreak now with 19 cases out of a population of 4 million?

So full steam ahead with total lockdown in Ireland for the next 3-4 weeks? Close all shops and businesses tomorrow, ground all flights, stop all schools and colleges, no cars/buses/trains, no GAA training, no public gatherings, everyone stay in their houses in order to make sure we don't spread it to other countries?

Because that's what you're suggesting Italy should have done but when it comes home you can see exactly how unpalatable it actually is.

It isn't really though that unpalatable when you see the outcome in Italy. Tough choices have shi*ty outcomes on both sides that is why they are tough choices. You can argue that they didn't know enough to make a properly informed choice but we now do.

Cilldara_2000

Miike wrote: »

Meetings with key stakeholders have been taking place for weeks now by the HSE to ensure procurement of adequate supplies of vital materials and medicines. Do you research anything or just form opinions out of thin air?

And at least two of the global shortage items they mention are made in this country.

Mervyn Skidmore

ACitizenErased wrote: »

A lot of people are ignoring the fact that the Italian government, the Irish government and many others have prioritised the economic benefits of the airline industry over stopping the spread. We would have zero cases if flights to/from Italy were cancelled earlier. It's not speculation, it's a fact.

It's not a fact. People can enter this jurisdiction from the North without any barrier.

loughside

tillyfilly wrote: »

it's a 32 county disease

Nah, its a British Isles disease

drkpower

ACitizenErased wrote: »

A lot of people are ignoring the fact that the Italian government, the Irish government and many others have prioritised the economic benefits of the airline industry over stopping the spread. We would have zero cases if flights to/from Italy were cancelled earlier. It's not speculation, it's a fact.

Do you think the Irish people who returned home with Covid would have stayed in Italy?

tuxy

ACitizenErased wrote: »

A lot of people are ignoring the fact that the Italian government, the Irish government and many others have prioritised the economic benefits of the airline industry over stopping the spread. We would have zero cases if flights to/from Italy were cancelled earlier. It's not speculation, it's a fact.

Italy were fast to cancel flights from China.

Cork Boy 53

Mic 1972 wrote: »

A lot of people here are still flying out to Italy and the rest of Europe, what do we do with them?

If they want to go to any areas that are most affected by the virus let them go but don`t let them back into this country. Let them stay there.

ChikiChiki

Strazdas wrote: »

One reason I've heard is they have a high number of intensive care beds - four times the rate of the NHS.

We are utterly ****ed. I'm so fearful of that if ICU availablity is the big difference.

It that the issue with Italy, lack of ICU beds?

Germany having 0 deaths is good going.

Mic 1972

ACitizenErased wrote: »

A lot of people are ignoring the fact that the Italian government, the Irish government and many others have prioritised the economic benefits of the airline industry over stopping the spread. We would have zero cases if flights to/from Italy were cancelled earlier. It's not speculation, it's a fact.

It is not a fact, it's pure speculation. The virus was probably here already or it would have entered some other way. We can stop it from causing an outbreak, but we could never prevent it from entering the country

ACitizenErased

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

It's not a fact. People can enter this jurisdiction from the North without any barrier.

You're assuming spread from the north by stating that, which is complete speculation.

Martina1991

juno10353 wrote:

Many departments run a more limited service out of hours eg labs, theatres, administration etc

The vast majority of laboratory work is specimens from GPs.
When clinics and GPs operate 24/7 then maybe there would be an increased demand on services.

Laboratories and Radiography also work extended working days after 5pm.

Other healthcare professionals like dieticians, OT, Physio, speech and language, podiatry dont work past 5pm.

Maybe you can ask those services to extend their day to clear waiting lists.

juno10353

Martina1991 wrote: »

juno10353 wrote:

Isnt it time that we had a 24/7 hospital service. A service where all departments work shifts. Exray, bloods, labs, theatres etc. Then maybe we could deal with backlogs, trolleys etc.

In situations as we now have labs would be working around the clock so many more people could be tested and either registered and monitored or cleared.

Um radiography and laboratory services are available at night and weekends.
27/7, 365.

You don't know what you are talking about.

Services at night and weekends are not full staff shift services. We do not now have the staff to run labs 24/7 full strength so backlogs, delays and minimal testing will be the best we can hope for

Mic 1972

tuxy wrote: »

Italy were fast to cancel flights from China.

what difference did it make?

Away With The Fairies

fritzelly wrote: »

https://extra.ie/2020/03/07/news/irish-news/supervalu-finglas-sanitising-station-coronavirus

Every shop and business needs to be doing this.

Call Me Jimmy

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

It isn't really though that unpalatable when you see the outcome in Italy. Tough choices have shi*ty outcomes on both sides that is why they are tough choices. You can argue that they didn't know enough to make a properly informed choice but we now do.

If people think this was a 'choice' it's a very liberal definition of the word.

Tipperary animal lover

Just say a clip of 3 women going at it over toilet paper in a store on the sky news site ... end of days kinda stuff ... did they ever here dog leafs more environmentally friendly

Mervyn Skidmore

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You're assuming spread from the north by stating that, which is complete speculation.

I'm not. I'm saying that even if Ireland banned incoming flights from Italy. People could fly into the UK and enter here through the North.

Cilldara_2000

ChikiChiki wrote: »

We are utterly ****ed. I'm so fearful of that if ICU availablity is the big difference.

It that the issue with Italy, lack of ICU beds?

Germany having 0 deaths is good going.

9 serious cases in Germany. Ireland could manage that many serious cases.

Spanish Eyes

I remember the Foot and Mouth outbreak back in 2001.

We were in Spain at the time and it was looking dodgy as to whether we could get back or not. Was a bit of a tough time for the humans. But no bother to curtail everything for the animals.

Priorities, priorities.

JDD

Miike wrote: »

Meetings with key stakeholders have been taking place for weeks now by the HSE to ensure procurement of adequate supplies of vital materials and medicines. Do you research anything or just form opinions out of thin air?

Have the told us how much they have? E.g, how many extra hospital beds will be available in two months?

ACitizenErased

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

I'm not. I'm saying that even if Ireland banned incoming flights from Italy. People could fly into the UK and enter here through the North.

Yes, they could. But we also could have zero cases as of right now if flights from Italy were stopped earlier.

Miike

JDD wrote: »

Have the told us how much they have? E.g, how many extra hospital beds will be available in two months?

No Leo Varadkar's crystal ball is in the jewelers getting an ultrasonic cleaning at the moment.

ACitizenErased

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

9 serious cases in Germany. Ireland could manage that many serious cases.

The German health system is incredible. I'm not even surprised their numbers (serious and fatal) are so low.

drkpower

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Yes, they could. But we also could have zero cases as of right now if flights from Italy were stopped earlier.

What would the Irish returnees have done had flights been stopped?

VinLieger

Mic 1972 wrote: »

It is not a fact, it's pure speculation. The virus was probably here already or it would have entered some other way. We can stop it from causing an outbreak, but we could never prevent it from entering the country

We literally could have by implementing strict quarantine and flight and boat restrictions thanks to being a tiny island, but that would have required our leaders and the HSE chiefs to have balls, instead they are all too afraid of being criticised for making the wrong decision.

ACitizenErased

drkpower wrote: »

What would the Irish returnees have done had flights been stopped?

Self-isolated, like recommended.

Osamabindipper

Tipperary animal lover wrote: »

Just say a clip of 3 women going at it over toilet paper in a store on the sky news site ... end of days kinda stuff ... did they ever here dog leafs more environmentally friendly

I don't like the doc leafs because the fingers tend to slide through them too easy.. Tried grass too but you spend 15 mins pulling it out of you afterwards. Newspaper is nasty stuff all together too.

We are bloody doomed.