Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) *Read warnings in OP*

the butcher

https://twitter.com/htTweets/status/1235511839858888704

dan786

Bit late.

Iran has decided to close schools and universities until end of the Iranian calendar year on 20 March because of the virus outbreak.

and Greece

Greece has closed schools and universities while cancelling sports events and other public gatherings in three western regions as infections rose to ten.

the butcher

whisky_galore wrote: »

Jesus, expert on Newstalk not advising on Paddys Day one way or the other because we would lose our culture.

Come on, "lose" our culture over 1 lousy day that can be rescheduled?

Didn't lose it in 2001 when we cancelled it over foot and mouth....

caveat emptor

****s getting real in London

I'll save some time. Defo photoshop, look at the dark skinned hand? Guys and idiot. It can't be spread in the air.

Carry on....

https://twitter.com/Perseus852/status/1233466500889088001?s=20

seamus

Deleted User wrote: »

Is this sufficient excuse not to go to a wedding tomorrow?

Only if you're high-risk. If you're a normal healthy person then using coronavirus as an excuse to get out of a wedding will have you branded as a drama queen for the rest of your days.

Wombatman wrote: »

Is it possible to have the virus but little or no symptoms?

These people may be out there but are never interviewed because they have no reason to present.

Yes. The number is unknown for obvious reasons.

However on the Diamond Princess, they test everyone, found 1,097 cases, of which 392 were asymptomatic. That's 36%. This is not worrying - asymptomatic cases are considered unlikely to spread the illness, but they will develop antibodies and contribute to herd immunity.

So if we use those figures, we can make rough guesses that;
- 36% of infected will have no symptoms at all.
- 51% will have symptoms which will resolve without requiring any treatment.
- 13% will require doctor or hospital care

0.6% of all cases from that ship have subsequently died. It's 1% if you exclude asymptomatic cases.

DrumSteve

whisky_galore wrote: »

Jesus, expert on Newstalk not advising on Paddys Day one way or the other because we would lose our culture.

Come on, "lose" our culture over 1 lousy day that can be rescheduled?

Yeah it's pony, we did it over the foot and mouth a few years back.

woejus

dan786 wrote: »

Bit late.

Iran has decided to close schools and universities until end of the Iranian calendar year on 20 March because of the virus outbreak.

oooh RED type, you're hard

megabomberman

whisky_galore wrote: »

Jesus, expert on Newstalk not advising on Paddys Day one way or the other because we would lose our culture.

Come on, "lose" our culture over 1 lousy day that can be rescheduled?

He's right to an extent, our culture of toadying around to moneyed interests at the expense of the vulnerable.

nthclare

Looks like its in North Clare now, im not at liberty to get into the schematics but its someone who is supposedly in a responsible position who's supposed to be be taking responsibility for our well being etc

But Ireland being Ireland sure it'll be grand sure.

the butcher

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1235513157659090944

stephenjmcd

caveat emptor wrote: »

Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/05/coronavirus-live-updates-italy-germany-pandemic-europe-uk-us-australia-india-update-latest-news?CMP=share_btn_tw&page=with:block-5e60c4a68f087df56e4c2998#block-5e60c4a68f087df56e4c2998

Doesn't really change much, they'll still contact trace in order to try and stop the spread

givyjoe

Drumpot wrote: »

I don’t have credible link (watched some source last night that I can’t verify) but one strain is supposedly worse then the other and you can get both. This would possibly explain why people are getting re-infected. Maybe somebody else here can clear this up?

Take your pick in terms of sources, multiple news sources running with the story

Cupatae

This makes me laugh we d a few confirmed cases where im from, the next day massive groups of people are out panic buying... this surely has to be one of the things that will spread it the most.

wadacrack

ChikiChiki wrote: »

We are an island for one. We also had a few weeks notice on the spread from looking at other countries.

The quantitative and qualitative data at hand was not utilized effectively.

*If it turns out to be true that this was a doctor who recently returned from Italy then we will be asking serious questions around containment.

An Island does help, much harder for mainland Europe to control borders. We do have a few advantageous. Low population, country is not densely populated,time to prepare also but haven't really used that. We need to be transparent with sharing information. Its worked very well for Singapore but despite their success will just ignore what seems to be working

the butcher

The problem with the US with new cases = people who have been sick for weeks but finally go to the doctor/E&E and are now hospitalised.

saabsaab

quokula wrote: »

Really interesting to see how closely it's tracking to China, just slightly lower, despite the fact that less draconian mitigation steps have been taken. Likely due to increased knowledge of the virus now and more prepared authorities.

If it continues to track like China it will have peaked and be dropping to tiny amounts of new cases within a few weeks.

Ironic that China will be coming to the end of it as it takes off in the rest of the world.



Are the flights from Italy still coming here bringing new cases?

dan786

Vodafone has confirmed that it has asked all of its office workers in Dublin to work from home tomorrow.

The company said the move is part of a "business continuation exercise" in the context of the Covid-19 outbreak.

Cee-Jay-Cee

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

I'm not sure, I read that it was the same flight that landed in Dublin where the person travelled to Belfast afterwards.

Woman in Belfast was confirmed on Thursday 27th Feb.

As per BBC

The BBC understands the patient is a woman and she travelled with a child to NI from Dublin in the last 36 hours. It is believed the child is not in hospital but is awaiting test results.

Wed 26
Thur 27 - she’s confirmed
Fri 28
Sat 29
Sun 1
Mon 2
Tue 3
Wed 4 - cases in Clare confirmed

If we take it she arrived on Wed 26 Feb then that’s 8 days till Clare cases confirmed. If the Clare family were in the 2 rows beside rule, they would have been self isolating. If they were carrying on their lives as normal (why else would school be closed?) that throws that 2 rows idea out the window.

kilns

megabomberman wrote: »

You mean if all European countries completely shut down in a coordinated manner and Northern Italy is completely sealed off from the rest of the world.

I expect Switzerland to shut its border to Italy at any moment now. This is a major route to Northern Europe, its ports for all products coming from there. France should follow too. You already see it on the shelves here where all pasta and related products come from Italy and the shelves in the supermarkets are empty. A sign of things to come

Bannasidhe

Apparently a 33 year old German man was Europe's Patient #1

According to the German doctors, “a 33-year-old otherwise healthy German businessman (Patient 1) became ill with a sore throat, chills, and myalgias on 24 January 2020. The following day, a fever of 39.1°C (102.4°F) developed, along with a productive cough. By the evening of the next day, he started feeling better and went back to work on 27 January.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/05/coronavirus-live-updates-italy-germany-pandemic-europe-uk-us-australia-india-update-latest-news?page=with:block-5e60cc7d8f087df56e4c29d9#block-5e60cc7d8f087df56e4c29d9

ZiabR

The HSE and our Government have their heads in the sand with this virus. They DONT want to make the tough decisions that need to be made. To put some perspective on this.

The UK have a population of circa 67 million, they only have 90 confirmed cases of Covid 19. They have already admitted defeat in the containment phase and have said they have moved to the delay phase and are clamping down on all major public events etc. British Airways have stopped flying into many of the affected areas. Community spread has already started.

Ireland on the other hand only has a population of 4.8 million and we have 6 confirmed cases. We still think we can contain this virus... and refuse to make the big decisions like stopping all flights to and from Italy and as of right now we are going ahead with the Paddys day parade... Are we complete morans? Its embarrassing how this country reacts. Ryanair are sending out e-mails this morning offering cheap flights... I received one myself. That is a disgraceful lack of respect or care for the current situation.

The HSE are still playing charades refusing to give out information on the current cases. No one is going to attack the patients but it would be massively beneficial if we knew where the areas were so that people in those areas can be more vigilant. I have been banging on about this for days now, the HSE are off their faces if they think that we can contain this and that we only have 6 cases. We have many times that already in the country.

By cancelling flights to affected areas and stopping mass gatherings like paddys day will GREATLY increase Ireland's chance at slowing this virus down which will give our hospitals time to treat and discharge the patients currently suffering from the seasonal influenza outbreak.

We need to do everything possible to slow this down, containment is not possible.

The HSE haven't even explained how this virus transmits and that the greatest risk is the pre-symptomatic spread. There should be a section on the news EVERYDAY hammering home the major points. This is not scare mongering, it is just common sense. Knowledge is power. If we empower the population with the facts about the virus and how everyone can help slow it down, then we would be in a much better place.

Right now our government and HSE are running around like headless chickens afraid of whats coming because they wont implement what is right for OUR country now. It will take deaths for them to change and by that time it will be far to late.

drunkmonkey

nthclare wrote: »

Looks like its in North Clare now, im not at liberty to get into the schematics but its someone who is supposedly in a responsible position who's supposed to be be taking responsibility for our well being etc

But Ireland being Ireland sure it'll be grand sure.

You mean the Dr in Lahinch with kids in the national school in inagh and secondary school in ennistymon or is this another case...

Mic 1972

seamus wrote: »

Only if you're high-risk. If you're a normal healthy person then using coronavirus as an excuse to get out of a wedding will have you branded as a drama queen for the rest of your days.

Yes. The number is unknown for obvious reasons.

However on the Diamond Princess, they test everyone, found 1,097 cases, of which 392 were asymptomatic. That's 36%. This is not worrying - asymptomatic cases are considered unlikely to spread the illness, but they will develop antibodies and contribute to herd immunity.

So if we use those figures, we can make rough guesses that;
- 36% of infected will have no symptoms at all.
- 51% will have symptoms which will resolve without requiring any treatment.
- 13% will require doctor or hospital care

0.6% of all cases from that ship have subsequently died. It's 1% if you exclude asymptomatic cases.

That some stretched calculation. Diamond Princes is a very small sample to draw figures from. Also symptomatic people can develop symptoms later on as seen in China and Italy. The virus stays in the system for a long time, some people have a stronger immune system and can fight for weeks with mild symptoms before eventually require hospitalization

the butcher

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1235513501684305920

freshpopcorn

The latest James Bond film which was die to be released in April has being postponed for 7 months!

Loafing Oaf

nthclare wrote: »

Looks like its in North Clare now, im not at liberty to get into the schematics but its someone who is supposedly in a responsible position who's supposed to be be taking responsibility for our well being etc

But Ireland being Ireland sure it'll be grand sure.

In fairness it looks like the family in question must have traveled to North Italy days before it became a known hotspot and flew back when the virus was only just taking off there.

the butcher

https://twitter.com/nchrysoloras/status/1235514960664543232

I think Belgium were always doomed with the amount of movement through there, esp Brussels.

runawaybishop

ZiabR wrote: »

Ireland on the other hand only has a population of 4.8 million and we have 6 confirmed cases.

Don't be daft, we don't think we can contain it without locking down the country for a year, banning all internal travel and letting everyone basically starve to death. Its an easily transmitted virus, of course we are going to get it. All we can do is slow down the transmission of it.

Cupatae

Imo most of the world has been incredibly indecisive in the handling of all this, the spread could have been stopped alot sooner had they pulled the trigger took the economic hit and did what needed to be done.

saabsaab

whisky_galore wrote: »

Jesus, expert on Newstalk not advising on Paddys Day one way or the other because we would lose our culture.

Come on, "lose" our culture over 1 lousy day that can be rescheduled?

Its not even our culture. Invented by the british army to cheer up the Iirish soldiers fighting for them in America!

quokula

megabomberman wrote: »

You mean if all European countries completely shut down in a coordinated manner and Northern Italy is completely sealed off from the rest of the world.

I literally mentioned that in my post - despite not taking the same measures as China, the numbers show it is tracking at the same rate as China, slightly lower in fact. Likely due to the advanced warning and increased knowledge and preparation from authorities over here.

nthclare

drunkmonkey wrote: »

You mean the Dr in Lahinch with kids in the national school in inagh and secondary school in ennistymon or is this another case...

You could be right with your observation, but I don't see anything on the media about said doctor.

caveat emptor

seamus wrote: »

Only if you're high-risk. If you're a normal healthy person then using coronavirus as an excuse to get out of a wedding will have you branded as a drama queen for the rest of your days.

Yes. The number is unknown for obvious reasons.

However on the Diamond Princess, they test everyone, found 1,097 cases, of which 392 were asymptomatic. That's 36%. This is not worrying - asymptomatic cases are considered unlikely to spread the illness, but they will develop antibodies and contribute to herd immunity.

So if we use those figures, we can make rough guesses that;
- 36% of infected will have no symptoms at all.
- 51% will have symptoms which will resolve without requiring any treatment.
- 13% will require doctor or hospital care

0.6% of all cases from that ship have subsequently died. It's 1% if you exclude asymptomatic cases.

Italy playing out slightly differently regarding numbers.

• First column = recovering in hospital
• Second = Intensive care
• Third = home isolation
• Fourth = recovered
• 5th = dead
• 6th = Tested

Large variation by region but figures are frightening.



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Cupatae

nthclare wrote: »

You could be right with your observation, but I don't see anything on the media about said doctor.

Ive seen a nice bit of here say on facebook saying that but its only speculation.

Bannasidhe

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

Are you in Switzerland? Which canton?

I see British Airways have made the inane move of refusing to refund flights from the UK to Italy, but offering Zurich and Geneva as alternative destinations. So now people are using those airports to get to and from Italy.

Why are they allowed to get away with this? BA's greed is causing people who may have otherwise just cancelled to travel, and to spread the virus in Switzerland AND the UK.

74 yr old woman with a chronic illness died in Lausanne University Hospital (Canton is Vaud).
My niece, husband, and their young son live there. He's a policeman.
Have another niece in Valais, and one in Basel.
They have been told in no uncertain terms to stay where they are and don't be getting any ideas about Paddy's Day.

drunkmonkey

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

In fairness it looks like the family in question must have traveled to North Italy days before it became a known hotspot and flew back when the virus was only just taking off there.

Is it correct he kept working and the kids went back to school, can understand how it could be mistaken for a cold/flu so wouldn't blame them in anyway. It would be good for the HSE to be up front without naming names.

wadacrack

I am surprised Cheltenham is still going ahead in the UK given the surge in cases and with it spreading in the community , I'd be surprised if they dont have 500 cases by Tuesday at least

Fr_Dougal

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Woman in Belfast was confirmed on Thursday 27th Feb.

As per BBC


Wed 26
Thur 27 - she’s confirmed
Fri 28
Sat 29
Sun 1
Mon 2
Tue 3
Wed 4 - cases in Clare confirmed

If we take it she arrived on Wed 26 Feb then that’s 8 days till Clare cases confirmed. If the Clare family were in the 2 rows beside rule, they would have been self isolating. If they were carrying on their lives as normal (why else would school be closed?) that throws that 2 rows idea out the window.

I think she arrived back in Dublin on the 19th.

Cee-Jay-Cee

whisky_galore wrote: »

Jesus, expert on Newstalk not advising on Paddys Day one way or the other because we would lose our culture.

Come on, "lose" our culture over 1 lousy day that can be rescheduled?

Culture? You mean the annual drink for the entire day but pause momentarily in the middle of the day to watch a few tractors and bands pass by on the street? It would be no harm if we lost that 'culture'

BTW he wasn't an expert, he was a Grade A wanker.

dan786

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1235516462124564482?s=20

drunkmonkey

nthclare wrote: »

You could be right with your observation, but I don't see anything on the media about said doctor.

I'm not hearing it from the media, had dinner in Joe's on Tuesday and I'd say they all thought I had it with all the sneezing I was doing, was also in Aldi at lunch time queing with all the secondary school kids.
HSE need to be upfront and stop this east/west crack.

Downlinz

ZiabR wrote: »

The HSE and our Government have their heads in the sand with this virus. They DONT want to make the tough decisions that need to be made. To put some perspective on this.

The UK have a population of circa 67 million, they only have 90 confirmed cases of Covid 19. They have already admitted defeat in the containment phase and have said they have moved to the delay phase and are clamping down on all major public events etc. British Airways have stopped flying into many of the affected areas. Community spread has already started.

Ireland on the other hand only has a population of 4.8 million and we have 6 confirmed cases. We still think we can contain this virus... and refuse to make the big decisions like stopping all flights to and from Italy and as of right now we are going ahead with the Paddys day parade... Are we complete morans? Its embarrassing how this country reacts. Ryanair are sending out e-mails this morning offering cheap flights... I received one myself. That is a disgraceful lack of respect or care for the current situation.

The HSE are still playing charades refusing to give out information on the current cases. No one is going to attack the patients but it would be massively beneficial if we knew where the areas were so that people in those areas can be more vigilant. I have been banging on about this for days now, the HSE are off their faces if they think that we can contain this and that we only have 6 cases. We have many times that already in the country.

By cancelling flights to affected areas and stopping mass gatherings like paddys day will GREATLY increase Ireland's chance at slowing this virus down which will give our hospitals time to treat and discharge the patients currently suffering from the seasonal influenza outbreak.

We need to do everything possible to slow this down, containment is not possible.

The HSE haven't even explained how this virus transmits and that the greatest risk is the pre-symptomatic spread. There should be a section on the news EVERYDAY hammering home the major points. This is not scare mongering, it is just common sense. Knowledge is power. If we empower the population with the facts about the virus and how everyone can help slow it down, then we would be in a much better place.

Right now our government and HSE are running around like headless chickens afraid of whats coming because they wont implement what is right for OUR country now. It will take deaths for them to change and by that time it will be far to late.

It's odd how we describe ourselves as in the "containment" phase but take such passive measures towards actual containment.

joe40

ZiabR wrote: »

The HSE and our Government have their heads in the sand with this virus. They DONT want to make the tough decisions that need to be made. To put some perspective on this.

The UK have a population of circa 67 million, they only have 90 confirmed cases of Covid 19. They have already admitted defeat in the containment phase and have said they have moved to the delay phase and are clamping down on all major public events etc. British Airways have stopped flying into many of the affected areas. Community spread has already started.

Ireland on the other hand only has a population of 4.8 million and we have 6 confirmed cases. We still think we can contain this virus... and refuse to make the big decisions like stopping all flights to and from Italy and as of right now we are going ahead with the Paddys day parade... Are we complete morans? Its embarrassing how this country reacts. Ryanair are sending out e-mails this morning offering cheap flights... I received one myself. That is a disgraceful lack of respect or care for the current situation.

The HSE are still playing charades refusing to give out information on the current cases. No one is going to attack the patients but it would be massively beneficial if we knew where the areas were so that people in those areas can be more vigilant. I have been banging on about this for days now, the HSE are off their faces if they think that we can contain this and that we only have 6 cases. We have many times that already in the country.

By cancelling flights to affected areas and stopping mass gatherings like paddys day will GREATLY increase Ireland's chance at slowing this virus down which will give our hospitals time to treat and discharge the patients currently suffering from the seasonal influenza outbreak.

We need to do everything possible to slow this down, containment is not possible.

The HSE haven't even explained how this virus transmits and that the greatest risk is the pre-symptomatic spread. There should be a section on the news EVERYDAY hammering home the major points. This is not scare mongering, it is just common sense. Knowledge is power. If we empower the population with the facts about the virus and how everyone can help slow it down, then we would be in a much better place.

Right now our government and HSE are running around like headless chickens afraid of whats coming because they wont implement what is right for OUR country now. It will take deaths for them to change and by that time it will be far to late.

I agree the St.Patricks day festival should be cancelled this year, but apart from that The Irish authorities (HSE, govt. etc) are pretty much doing what every other country in the world are doing. What would people like us to do different? We have been the only country to cancel a 6 nations rugby match.
It is far too early for large scale school closures the disruption would be massive.

Flybe has collapsed with the loss of hundreds of jobs. That is not an insignificant thing for the people involved. Economies need to function, that's not just about money it is about welfare and health also.

Fr_Dougal

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

I think she arrived back in Dublin on the 19th.

So they can’t have been on the same plane then, surely?

otnomart

kilns wrote: »

France should follow too.

Closing the borders is pointless as we now know that the virus was circulating earlier.
As the first known death in Europe was in Valencia on 13 February.
FYI France has nearly 300 cases already - their major cluster is in Creil which is a commuter town connected to Paris by train to Gare du Nord station - same station where international high speed trains depart for Amsterdam and Eurostar to London.

dan786

The church built on the Bethlehem site revered as the birthplace of Jesus is to close after a suspected outbreak of the coronavirus, a church official said today.

The Palestinian health ministry called for local churches, mosques and other institutions to close after a number of suspected cases at a hotel in the Holy Land city of Bethlehem.

RTE

Downlinz

whisky_galore wrote: »

Jesus, expert on Newstalk not advising on Paddys Day one way or the other because we would lose our culture.

Come on, "lose" our culture over 1 lousy day that can be rescheduled?

Expert on what? I hope it's not in the medical area :eek:

gozunda

caveat emptor wrote: »

****s getting real in London

I'll save some time. Defo photoshop, look at the dark skinned hand? Guys and idiot. It can't be spread in the air.

Carry on....

True but if someone sneezes or coughs in your face on a crowded carriage or bus - then you will most likley breath in droplets or have it all over your face. Hmmm?I think I'd go for the mask option tbh.

Maybe the guy in the photo is immunocompromised?

stephenjmcd

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Woman in Belfast was confirmed on Thursday 27th Feb.

As per BBC


Wed 26
Thur 27 - she’s confirmed
Fri 28
Sat 29
Sun 1
Mon 2
Tue 3
Wed 4 - cases in Clare confirmed

If we take it she arrived on Wed 26 Feb then that’s 8 days till Clare cases confirmed. If the Clare family were in the 2 rows beside rule, they would have been self isolating. If they were carrying on their lives as normal (why else would school be closed?) that throws that 2 rows idea out the window.

Important to state there is no confirmed link to the same flights.

the butcher

the butcher wrote: »

https://twitter.com/htTweets/status/1235511839858888704

One of the first Bosnia cases is a man along with his child who recently travelled to.....

SHOCK!

Italy.