Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) *Read warnings in OP*

Ninthlife

Strazdas wrote: »

Why start with the parade if we're in such peril? The thing lasts for about two hours.

And involves couple of hundred thousand people all in one small enough area

CinemaGuy45

tuxy wrote: »

WHO say it is not.......

citysights

Blueshoe wrote: »

With all of the virus excitement going on I'm just wondering have we forgotten that we don't have a government ? Or does that matter anymore. Seems to have disappeared

Was just thinking same today, hard to believe election was only a few weeks ago, seems like a life time since then.

namloc1980

gabeeg wrote: »

I think the US are in the worst shape of all western countries.

Zero sick pay for the majority of workers and insane medical bills will mean many people there will just carry on even with symptoms.

gozunda

Nijmegen wrote: »

She’s going out of her way to be really disrespectful to the Chinese ambassador.

The Professor of experimental immunology. - explains the issues succinctly - St Patrick's Day should not go ahead. Coughing and sneezing is the main mode of transmission - handwashing alone is not a panacea. Flights should have been curtailed

Makes you wonder are the HSE simply making it up as they go along...

RandomName2

ussjtrunks wrote: »

In general for a healthy adult how bad has it been?

Are there any cases of it effecting people without underling illness badly?

In general it seems to have a fatality rate of 2%. Apparently for younger/ not at risk people it is only 0.2%

But if containment totally fails, and 20% of the world's population is infected and current figures are right, that would be 28 million dead in about a year, right? (That's about how many the Spanish flu killed, incidentally)

Away With The Fairies

AmberGold wrote: »

Just throwing this out there as maybe some unfortunate might be in the same position.

One of the lads in work (UK based) went to northern Italy on a skiing holiday mid Feb, came back early last week. He, his wife and daughter all very sick with a flu like illness, very productive cough and high temperature.

Went into self isolation and reported themselves to the NHS, had blood test earlier this week and results yesterday, all negative for COVID.

An odd coincidence, we all had him down as having it.

Sometimes at the beginning of the virus, a test won't show up positive. Test again in a few days and it will be positive.

Atlantic Dawn

Is there any news on patient 1 the woman from NIRL, how is she now? A progress update might calm fears, then again if she's not the best it will only add to peoples worries.

retro:electro

Italia 20

gmisk

gmisk wrote: »

The public sector is open to all the great utopia that it is....lol
I make significantly less in public sector than I would in private sector but hey I made my choice.

I also earn less in the HSE than the if I was in private sector.

Quantum Erasure

tuxy wrote: »

WHO say it is not [a pandemic].......

it is though,
what's WHO's criteria for declaring a pandemic, I'd love to know

Strazdas

Ninthlife wrote: »

And involves couple of hundred thousand people all in one small enough area

Yes, but the logical conclusion is you then have to ban all large public gatherings before and after March 17th. How can Croke Park, the Aviva or the 3 Arena be safe if the parade is "unsafe".

tuxy

RandomName2 wrote: »

In general it seems to have a fatality rate of 2%. Apparently for younger/ not at risk people it is only 0.2%

But if containment totally fails, and 20% of the world's population is infected and current figures are right, that would be 28 million dead in about a year, right? (That's about how many the Spanish flu killed, incidentally)

Not comparable since the population of the world was under 2 billion at the time.

Arrival

ussjtrunks wrote: »

In general for a healthy adult how bad has it been?

Are there any cases of it effecting people without underling illness badly?

The stats from Italy today say that 54% of active cases required treatment in hospital. It's seriously worrying that so many people in this country can't comprehend the implications of these kinds of stats for ourselves, especially considering the flow of Irish and Italians to and from Italy

fritzelly

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

it is though,
what's WHO's criteria for declaring a pandemic, I'd love to know

They no longer have a criteria for it sic we can no longer declare a pandemic

Louche Lad

RandomName2 wrote: »

Swine flu hysteria? It killed half a million people you know. I am not joking.

Given that it infected nearly 20% of the world's population, that's not an incredibly bad fatality rate.

I had not realized that containment of swine flu simply failed. Attitudes like yours need to be curtailed or ignored. All pandemics start with a single individual. The longer it takes for people to take it seriously the more difficult it is to do anything about it.

It looks likely that it is too late in relation to covid-19. Hopefully it doesn't do well in warm weather. Given the lack of southern hemisphere and african cases currently, that may be true.

It's spreading in New South Wales where temperatures are in the 20s. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/05/coronavirus-darwin-tourist-becomes-first-in-nt-to-test-positive-as-australian-cases-rise-to-52

owlbethere

AmberGold wrote: »

Just throwing this out there as maybe some unfortunate might be in the same position.

One of the lads in work (UK based) went to northern Italy on a skiing holiday mid Feb, came back early last week. He, his wife and daughter all very sick with a flu like illness, very productive cough and high temperature.

Went into self isolation and reported themselves to the NHS, had blood test earlier this week and results yesterday, all negative for COVID.

An odd coincidence, we all had him down as having it.

Maybe it's not showing on tests yet. Antibodies might not be high enough. Continue to self isolate.

Nijmegen

Strazdas wrote: »

Yes, but the logical conclusion is you then have to ban all large public gatherings before and after March 17th. How can Croke Park, the Aviva or the 3 Arena be safe if the parade is "unsafe".

There’s that penny dropping.

4068ac1elhodqr

namloc1980 wrote: »

Zero sick pay for the majority of workers and insane medical bills will mean many people there will just carry on even with symptoms.

Yang was openly offering UBI (freedom dividend) $1k for every person in the US where this is an issue. Instead folks are eyeing up creepy Joe for POTUS20. Really does not compute.

Pseudonym121

Juwwi wrote: »

Do many end up in hospital on ventilators as opposed to fighting it at home yourself do you know ?

They say about 15 to 20% will require some
Hospital care - that could just be supplementary oxygen ( the nasal prongs etc ) and nebulisers etc etc so not ventilators.

Of those 15 to 20% some portion - maybe up to half ( although this varies widely so don’t nitpick it to death ) -will need more invasive treatment such as ventilators.

Overwhelmingly the people who die are older and with existing pathology, often of a chronic and respiratory nature.

This does appear to vary by strain though (L vs S ). In China they are clear there are two strains. WHO hasn’t fully signed on to that yet but I expect they will soon.

RandomName2

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Is there any news on patient 1 the woman from NIRL, how is she now? A progress update might calm fears, then again if she's not the best it will only add to peoples worries.

I find it interesting that we haven't heard from any patients really.

Now I know that one doesn't really want reporters going into containment areas and all, but even so.

Are those hospitalized in ICU or just isolation? Are those who have recovered (which are very many) without any long term health implications (I believe this was an issue with SARS)

stockshares

Apologies if this was posted already.

It's an open letter from Dr Paul O Brien to to Dr.Tony Holohan, Chief Medical Officer at Irish Department of Health and Paul Reid, Director General of Irish Health Executive Service (HSE) questioning how the outbreak has been handled relative to best practice.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/open-letter-dr-tony-holohan-cmo-department-health-paul-o-brien/?published=t

Kermit.de.frog

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Hamsterchops

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Covid-19 tally for UK & Ireland today 11am.

UK now cases = 90
Ireland cases =6

Wonder what jump we'll have later today when the daily updated figures are released?

Will we enter double figures?

Wow, what a difference a day makes. Twelve hours later & things have changed a lot.......

UK cases now =116.
Ireland cases = 13.

...that we know of.

Strazdas

Nijmegen wrote: »

There’s that penny dropping.

But where does it stop then? Ireland is not northern Italy.

Ninthlife

Strazdas wrote: »

Yes, but the logical conclusion is you then have to ban all large public gatherings before and after March 17th. How can Croke Park, the Aviva or the 3 Arena be safe if the parade is "unsafe".

Personally Id cancel them all at this stage

Ita an unnecessary risk

MoonUnit75

Arrival wrote: »

The stats from Italy today say that 54% of active cases required treatment in hospital. It's seriously worrying that so many people in this country can't comprehend the implications of these kinds of stats for ourselves, especially considering the flow of Irish and Italians to and from Italy

54% of people sick enough to get a diagnosis. Probably a much lower rate in reality.

4068ac1elhodqr

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

it is though,
what's WHO's criteria for declaring a pandemic, I'd love to know

Yellow money (that has even been sprayed and dried before re-release).

tillyfilly

I wish I was Chinese

RandomName2

Louche Lad wrote: »

It's spreading in New South Wales where temperatures are in the 20s. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/05/coronavirus-darwin-tourist-becomes-first-in-nt-to-test-positive-as-australian-cases-rise-to-52

That sounds like pretty terrible news, if true.