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    #32
    Ray Palmer
    Registered Users Posts: 8,394 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    If I had items missing from a rental property I would simply deduct it from the deposit. I wouldn't know which occupant took it but all would end up needing to pay. I am not sure why it would be different if they are licencees.

    Can somebody explain why they think it is different?


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    #33
    Effects
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    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    There is also emotional value.

    Emotional value costs nothing.


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    #34
    Ray Palmer
    Registered Users Posts: 8,394 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Effects wrote: »
    Emotional value costs nothing.

    In the law it does whether you like it our not.


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    #35
    dubrov
    Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭dubrov


    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    If I had items missing from a rental property I would simply deduct it from the deposit. I wouldn't know which occupant took it but all would end up needing to pay. I am not sure why it would be different if they are licencees.

    Can somebody explain why they think it is different?

    In this case, the homeowner has access to the same property.
    Who is to say that they didn't remove the items as a way of extracting cash out of the licensees?


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    #36
    Effects
    Registered Users Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    Deleted User wrote: »
    ??????

    What you paid for something, and what it's worth are two different things.


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    #37
    Ray Palmer
    Registered Users Posts: 8,394 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    dubrov wrote: »
    In this case, the homeowner has access to the same property.
    Who is to say that they didn't remove the items as a way of extracting cash out of the licensees?

    Same has been said when I pointed furniture went missing and I didn't live there. So I see no difference.


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    #38
    Gwen Cooper
    Registered Users Posts: 719 ✭✭✭Gwen Cooper


    This could also be more innocent than it seems. Someone might be after getting some flowers, and borrowed the vase, took it in their room, and never put it back where it goes. Could the framed poster be moved somewhere, maybe in the attic/shed? I have a housemate who thinks that the house belongs to him and he keeps moving things that are in the common spaces, could it be something like that, rather than stealing?


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    #39
    [Deleted User]
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    Effects wrote: »
    What you paid for something, and what it's worth are two different things.

    Nit-picking nonsense, it could well have appreciated in value for all you know? Fact is, OP paid x for them and to replace them would probably cost at least €x.


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    #40
    fatbhoy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,011 ✭✭✭fatbhoy


    The only real solution to this is to write-off the loss, and get two new tenants.


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    #41
    3102derek
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    Well OP what the outcome?


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    #42
    Ray Palmer
    Registered Users Posts: 8,394 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Gwen Cooper wrote: »
    This could also be more innocent than it seems. Someone might be after getting some flowers, and borrowed the vase, took it in their room, and never put it back where it goes. Could the framed poster be moved somewhere, maybe in the attic/shed? I have a housemate who thinks that the house belongs to him and he keeps moving things that are in the common spaces, could it be something like that, rather than stealing?

    That doesn't sound innocent. That sounds like a huge over step. They aren't housemates and don't have any right to be moving or taking the owners pocessions.


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    #43
    greencoat
    Registered Users Posts: 25 ✭greencoat


    jesus they are been obvious in what they take lets be honest,i think if i was to stroke something it would not be a picture from the hall wall..odd choice.i would be having none of that lark in my house,lay it them both,cards on the table.


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    #44
    Gwen Cooper
    Registered Users Posts: 719 ✭✭✭Gwen Cooper


    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    That doesn't sound innocent. That sounds like a huge over step. They aren't housemates and don't have any right to be moving or taking the owners pocessions.

    Well I didn't say exactly that it's innocent, but definitely more innocent than stealing. Agree with a huge overstep, definitely. Just not as serious as stealing in my eyes.


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    #45
    the_syco
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    fran38 wrote: »
    Last month i noticed my flower vase went missing, a nice cut crystal worth at least 70e.
    If you live there, find the guilty party, and evict. Then bring criminal proceedings against them.
    fran38 wrote: »
    I dont have contracts/tenancy agreements written up. Its a very loose and ad hoc set up.
    Also, if you live there, don't give them more rights.


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    #46
    DesperateDan
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    I think you would have to be a serious kleptomaniac or a total lunatic to be stealing items like that from the place you live. Would bet money on it something else is going on here.


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    #47
    lulu1
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    I would get them both together and ask them about it .

    You say they are good tenants who pay their rent on time.

    It would be a pity to lose them if there is some other explanation


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    #48
    El Tarangu
    Registered Users Posts: 1,618 ✭✭✭El Tarangu


    Sariyah Few Colon wrote: »
    Trying to find out who is stealing your properly is daft? Are you for real??

    If you were to start secretly recording people where they live, without their foreknowledge and consent, I can picture all sorts of negative legal and social ramifications if they ever found out.


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    #49
    [Deleted User]
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    El Tarangu wrote: »
    If you were to start secretly recording people where they live, without their foreknowledge and consent, I can picture all sorts of negative legal and social ramifications if they ever found out.

    Legal this legal that, where do people get these ideas in their head.

    You can do what ever you want in your own home. You can place a camera where ever the hell you want, please don’t spread nonsense ideas that you can’t as someone might believe it.

    You do not need consent to record someone one your private property or in a public place for that matter.

    There was even a thread here recently where a LL had hidden cameras in a tenants property and the guards said it’s nothing whatsoever to do with them, not a legal matter.


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    #50
    TheChizler
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    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    If I had items missing from a rental property I would simply deduct it from the deposit. I wouldn't know which occupant took it but all would end up needing to pay. I am not sure why it would be different if they are licencees.

    Can somebody explain why they think it is different?

    In a tenancy normally the individual tenants are jointly and severally responsible for rent and damage, with a shared deposit between them. In a house share agreements are normally individual and seperate deposits.


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    #51
    dubrov
    Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭dubrov


    Kash Rotten Lottery wrote:
    There was even a thread here recently where a LL had hidden cameras in a tenants property and the guards said it’s nothing whatsoever to do with them, not a legal matter.

    I'd say they said it was not a criminal matter. Expect a massive legal bill if you are caught videotaping licensees without their knowledge


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    #52
    lawred2
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    punisher5112 wrote: »
    Ok didn't realise €150 isn't worth much

    Well that's what you spent on it. Value is different. Could even have been worth more.

    What happened OP?


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    #53
    haydeyhi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34 ✭haydeyhi


    My guess would be one of them came home some evening scuttered and fell into them and hid the evidence.


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    #54
    mikemac2
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    Sariyah Few Colon wrote: »
    The likely outcome is that the innocent person would force the other person to own up so the threat of equal split would likely be enough.

    Did you have no brothers & sisters growing up?

    If both deny the one who is more convincing wins. Some people are outstanding at lying

    If the OP evicts both then an innocent licencee is gone for something they didn’t do

    You ain’t wise King Solomon


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    #55
    jlm29
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    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    If I had items missing from a rental property I would simply deduct it from the deposit. I wouldn't know which occupant took it but all would end up needing to pay. I am not sure why it would be different if they are licencees.

    Can somebody explain why they think it is different?

    Because the op also has access to the house. The op could have a light-fingered work colleague who called for lunch last month. Or a clumsy brother who stayed one night after a few drinks and knocked over the vase.


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    #56
    punisher5112
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    lawred2 wrote: »
    Well that's what you spent on it. Value is different. Could even have been worth more.

    What happened OP?

    What are you on about....

    I didn't spend it, it's not me....

    €150 is a lot of money.


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    #57
    [Deleted User]
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    Sariyah Few Colon wrote: »
    Legal this legal that, where do people get these ideas in their head.

    You can do what ever you want in your own home. You can place a camera where ever the hell you want, please don’t spread nonsense ideas that you can’t as someone might believe it.

    You do not need consent to record someone one your private property or in a public place for that matter.

    There was even a thread here recently where a LL had hidden cameras in a tenants property and the guards said it’s nothing whatsoever to do with them, not a legal matter.

    You're legal advice is terrible nox.
    No-one has a right to privacy in a public place & true you can be on CCTV anywhere.
    The same does not exist for your dwelling or even private areas.
    You need to be informed if you will be on CCTV in a private area.
    Every see the signs? Shops, private areas of estates?

    I also think you got the story mixed up, there is definitely a case to be answered if a LL has hidden CCTV in a tenanted house. There have been plenty of cases were someone and been prosecuted for spying on their tenants. The least that would happen would be the LL would be sued.
    Maybe you're thinking of the story where the tenant wanted to put hidden cameras to catch the LL coming in uninvited? Completely different scenario.

    OP, just ask them, at the same time do they know where these items are? You will probably know your culprit from their reactions.


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    #58
    lawred2
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    punisher5112 wrote: »
    What are you on about....

    I didn't spend it, it's not me....

    €150 is a lot of money.

    It's not really. But that wasn't my point. The value of something is not what is spent on it.


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    #59
    davindub
    Registered Users Posts: 1,447 ✭✭✭davindub


    Sariyah Few Colon wrote: »
    Legal this legal that, where do people get these ideas in their head.

    You can do what ever you want in your own home. You can place a camera where ever the hell you want, please don’t spread nonsense ideas that you can’t as someone might believe it.

    You do not need consent to record someone one your private property or in a public place for that matter.

    There was even a thread here recently where a LL had hidden cameras in a tenants property and the guards said it’s nothing whatsoever to do with them, not a legal matter.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/landlord-who-spied-on-his-tenants-jailed-1.354920%3fmode=amp


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    #60
    fran38
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    Gwen Cooper wrote: »
    This could also be more innocent than it seems. Someone might be after getting some flowers, and borrowed the vase, took it in their room, and never put it back where it goes. Could the framed poster be moved somewhere, maybe in the attic/shed? I have a housemate who thinks that the house belongs to him and he keeps moving things that are in the common spaces, could it be something like that, rather than stealing?

    Im so sorry for the late reply. Firstly thank you all for the thoughtful replies ( And yes that includes the replies that were way off kilter lol). The vase was in fact in her room. She took it a few weeks ago and just held onto it. No harm done there. The poster issue is another issue altogether. I spoke to both lodgers in the kitchen two nights ago. They were aghast that someone would do such a thing One of them and i dont know which one,i suspect is a superb actor. They denied all knowledge of knowing anyone that could have taken it. No friends of theirs woild stoop so low as to take another persons belongings.
    A lot of tooing and froing. A lot of threats to throw them out on their ear if it didnt turn up etc
    But what did i do?.,I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. I think it may have been taken by one of their pals unknownst (spelling?) to them. Such was their amazement and disgust at such a thing happening. However i did say this is it, anymore **** like this and out ye go.
    Ill get mauled and ridiculed by spme posters, bring it on ****wits lol But there you go.


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    #61
    mikemac2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,952 ✭✭✭mikemac2


    You handled it well OP, well I wouldn’t have been cursing at them but that’s me

    I doubt it’ll happen again


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