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NEW 2020 Assistant Principal Officer Competition

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    #272
    Happy4
    Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭Happy4


    just tried the numerical.. found them very hard.. took a lot longer to do than the allocated time :(


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    #273
    mariagirl
    Registered Users Posts: 33 ✭mariagirl


    Hi there am finding SHL numerical very difficult. Prefer Cut-e! Does anyone know if OOM is determined by performance in Numerical or Verbal Reasoning. Cannot find this info on the booklet or pre test material. Thanks


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    #274
    Cheeseplant
    Registered Users Posts: 334 ✭✭Cheeseplant


    mariagirl wrote: »
    Hi there am finding SHL numerical very difficult. Prefer Cut-e! Does anyone know if OOM is determined by performance in Numerical or Verbal Reasoning. Cannot find this info on the booklet or pre test material. Thanks

    Yes found them really hard myself!
    Usually OOM is based on verbal and situational judgement. Presume it will be the same.. I've never seen that written anywhere though !


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    #275
    Cheeseplant
    Registered Users Posts: 334 ✭✭Cheeseplant


    Happy4 wrote: »
    just tried the numerical.. found them very hard.. took a lot longer to do than the allocated time :(

    Same! Got about 11 or 13 done and about 1/3 right! :confused:


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    #276
    griffid
    Registered Users Posts: 66 ✭✭griffid


    I just did the verbal but it didn't give me my score at the end? Window just disappeared when the circle started turning after I completed the final question.


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    #277
    Forthebuzz
    Registered Users Posts: 172 ✭✭Forthebuzz


    griffid wrote: »
    I just did the verbal but it didn't give me my score at the end? Window just disappeared when the circle started turning after I completed the final question.

    You have to do the second assessment which is 2 questions and then it will let you complete assessment and get score


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    #278
    griffid
    Registered Users Posts: 66 ✭✭griffid


    Forthebuzz wrote: »
    You have to do the second assessment which is 2 questions and then it will let you complete assessment and get score

    Thanks. What second assessment?!!! 2 questions?


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    #279
    griffid
    Registered Users Posts: 66 ✭✭griffid


    griffid wrote: »
    Thanks. What second assessment?!!! 2 questions?

    Ohhhhh now I see it.


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    #280
    Nicole2020
    Registered Users Posts: 99 ✭✭Nicole2020


    Received the email re. the online exam. Can someone please explain all this SHL and OOM stuff you're all talking about?

    I've completed the practice quizzes for the EO that were on publicjobs.ie because I didn't think the others were relevant. I scored 17 on the numerical, 45 on verbal and in the upper band on situational... I know they say this is above the recommendation but would this be the same story for AP?

    Is this the same practice quizzes you're all talking about here?

    Thanks in advance!


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    #281
    Cheeseplant
    Registered Users Posts: 334 ✭✭Cheeseplant


    Nicole2020 wrote: »
    Received the email re. the online exam. Can someone please explain all this SHL and OOM stuff you're all talking about?

    I've completed the practice quizzes for the EO that were on publicjobs.ie because I didn't think the others were relevant. I scored 17 on the numerical, 45 on verbal and in the upper band on situational... I know they say this is above the recommendation but would this be the same story for AP?

    Is this the same practice quizzes you're all talking about here?

    Thanks in advance!

    SHL are the assessment provider. There is a link in the test info booklet we received yesterday.
    Hard to know how difficult the realtesrs will be compared to the SHL practice tests or the practice tests on PublicJobs.
    The OOM is order of merit. The order in which you are placed by score on these tests. Usually the top X number of candidates are brought forward to the next stage so you want to come as high up on the OOm as possible, where position 1 is the best.


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    #282
    Nicole2020
    Registered Users Posts: 99 ✭✭Nicole2020


    Cheeseplant wrote: »
    SHL are the assessment provider. There is a link in the test info booklet we received yesterday.
    Hard to know how difficult the realtesrs will be compared to the SHL practice tests or the practice tests on PublicJobs.
    The OOM is order of merit. The order in which you are placed by score on these tests. Usually the top X number of candidates are brought forward to the next stage so you want to come as high up on the OOm as possible, where position 1 is the best.

    Thank you so much, that all makes a lot more sense now! Would you believe I didn’t even notice the link to the booklet when reading the message, I thought I had to wait until the 28th for that. Delighted I asked now!


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    #283
    Cheeseplant
    Registered Users Posts: 334 ✭✭Cheeseplant


    No problem Nicole, good luck with the tests!


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    #284
    Anonire
    Registered Users Posts: 225 ✭✭Anonire


    Nicole2020 wrote: »
    Received the email re. the online exam. Can someone please explain all this SHL and OOM stuff you're all talking about?

    I've completed the practice quizzes for the EO that were on publicjobs.ie because I didn't think the others were relevant. I scored 17 on the numerical, 45 on verbal and in the upper band on situational... I know they say this is above the recommendation but would this be the same story for AP?

    Is this the same practice quizzes you're all talking about here?

    Thanks in advance!

    I didn't know about these quizzes thank you. AO is a higher grade than EO so they might be better ones to complete.


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    #285
    kilburn
    Registered Users Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭kilburn


    Any thoughts on how many would have applied and how many will get through first round


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    #286
    Nicole2020
    Registered Users Posts: 99 ✭✭Nicole2020


    Thanks Cheeseplant, you too!
    Anonire wrote: »
    I didn't know about these quizzes thank you. AO is a higher grade than EO so they might be better ones to complete.

    Is AO not administrative officer?


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    #287
    griffid
    Registered Users Posts: 66 ✭✭griffid


    Nicole2020 wrote: »
    Thanks Cheeseplant, you too!



    Is AO not administrative officer?

    Yup. Need higher again for AP.


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    #288
    Nicole2020
    Registered Users Posts: 99 ✭✭Nicole2020


    griffid wrote: »
    Yup. Need higher again for AP.

    Just found the structure there, always assumed AO was lower grade!


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    #289
    griffid
    Registered Users Posts: 66 ✭✭griffid


    Nicole2020 wrote: »
    Just found the structure there, always assumed AO was lower grade!

    Yes indeed AO is lower than AP. AO is roughly equivalent to HEO.


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    #290
    Anonire
    Registered Users Posts: 225 ✭✭Anonire


    Ao is the highest those tests go to on publicjobs. The tests in the shl link appear to be of a much higher level than the one on publicjobs. I don't know which ones are more likely to be what we will be face with.

    I completed the numerical on publicjobs and in the feedback section scored well in excess of what they said the pass mark likely was but the wording made me think that it is possibly marked to a curve.


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    #291
    Pdbtsi
    Registered Users Posts: 32 ✭Pdbtsi


    Agree with those saying the numerical practice ones are tough! Verbal seems fine but numerical......going to take some intensive practice for me to scrape a pass I'd say. Does anyone know if we choose in what order we do the tests?


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    #292
    Orchid1
    Registered Users Posts: 25 ✭Orchid1


    on the topic of numerical reasoning (definitely finding this the most challenging), in the practice tests it is 18 questions in 25 minutes but the guidance doc sent out says that the real test will have more questions?! does anybody know how many questions are in the actual test? It seems next to impossible to me to answer more than 18 maths questions in 25 mins.


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    #293
    Landslide79
    Registered Users Posts: 5 ✭Landslide79


    Hi folks, hope all is good with everyone.

    I've spent a few hours today focusing on the numerical tests as this would be my weakest point...to echo some of the other comments, I'd say I'll be doing well to just get the requisite pass mark, based on my results so far.

    There are a lot of components required to answer some of the questions....even though I am going quickly, it's taking me the guts of 4 mins for a few of them r.e. doing all of my calculations to get the final answer - just wondering how other people have handled this? Any hacks that help speed up answering? I know how to figure out most of the problems - just feels like it's taking me far too much time going through the motions. Cheers in advance for any advice!


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    #294
    griffid
    Registered Users Posts: 66 ✭✭griffid


    Just tried the numeric in SHL. My first attempt was woeful. My second attempt was slightly less than woeful.


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    #295
    Rainbowstar
    Registered Users Posts: 98 ✭✭Rainbowstar


    Hi all.
    Well how the hell are people supposed to practice for these tests while working full-time from home with two small kids I do not know.
    Definitely won't be progressing this time around I fear.

    For some asking, the numerical and verbal samples on SHL are very similar to the AP actual tests.
    I too find the numerical very tough but have passed it online and supervised. (just)
    My advice is practice them over and focus on getting the ones you understand right and move on if you don't think you'll get it. You only need a minimum to pass so if a question takes lots of calculations, but you understand how to do it, then complete it - as every correct answer is one more towards passing.
    If you don't know how to work it out move on quickly.

    I hate that there are no decent situational analysis sample tests. I did well on these last time both online and supervised but it would be great to prepare better.
    This is the most important score in terms of your placement on the order of merit (OOM).
    Best of luck everyone.
    If anyone knows a Mary Poppins please send them my way!!!!!


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    #296
    Orchid1
    Registered Users Posts: 25 ✭Orchid1


    Is 40% a pass mark or 50?


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    #297
    Rainbowstar
    Registered Users Posts: 98 ✭✭Rainbowstar


    Closer to 40.


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    #298
    smeefi
    Registered Users Posts: 6 ✭smeefi


    Hi All,

    I applied for the AP tax specialist position and got an email to say that I'm through to the next stage.

    I'm currently in the private sector so just wondering if anyone could shed any light on what to expect next?

    Thanks!


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    #299
    Milenauno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 96 ✭✭Milenauno


    Rainbowstar wrote: »
    Closer to 40.

    When you say 40% do you mean numerical and verbal? Thanks


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    #300
    Orchid1
    Registered Users Posts: 25 ✭Orchid1


    As far as I’m aware you have to at least pass each test? I.e. if you fail one you’re out? But I could be wrong


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    #301
    quad_red
    Registered Users Posts: 5,561 ✭✭✭quad_red


    Orchid1 wrote: »
    Is 40% a pass mark or 50?

    A friend mailed PAS asking what the pass mark was and was it correct that once the pass mark was achieved in all 3 segments (verbal, maths and situational), only the verbal score affected the OOM (as some have claimed on here).

    They were told that PAS would not provide any information in how testing is scored to candidates.


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