Coronavirus (COVID-19)

ACitizenErased

Some €10 million is expected to be spent in Cork restaurants this weekend alone after a surge in bookings.
https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/its-been-manic-restaurants-and-bars-struggle-with-avalanche-of-bookings-as-50m-expected-to-be-spent-this-weekend-39824790.html

the beer revolu

Don't mean to be pessimistic but I can see a massive surge in cases , possibly even before Christmas. And I mean massive.

I will be keeping my head down and not going to bars or restaurants this side of Christmas. Having said that, I totally understand the pent up eagerness to get out and socialise especially amongst people who live on their own - they are the group I really feel for. And I completely understand businesses who just want to get some money in their accounts after an extremely difficult year.

I don't want to jeopardise being able to spend Christmas day with my 91 year old mother, though.

the beer revolu

the beer revolu wrote: »

Don't mean to be pessimistic but I can see a massive surge in cases , possibly even before Christmas. And I mean massive.............

Indeed, I was in a restaurant or three over the Summer but they weren't that busy.......... won't be going near one this side of Christmas.

"Visits
From December 7, people in nursing homes or residential care facilities can have one visit from one person each week" ......... hopefully folk visitng nursing homes stay away from restaurants also.

funnydoggy

the beer revolu wrote: »

Don't mean to be pessimistic but I can see a massive surge in cases , possibly even before Christmas. And I mean massive.

I will be keeping my head down and not going to bars or restaurants this side of Christmas. Having said that, I totally understand the pent up eagerness to get out and socialise especially amongst people who live on their own - they are the group I really feel for. And I completely understand businesses who just want to get some money in their accounts after an extremely difficult year.

I don't want to jeopardise being able to spend Christmas day with my 91 year old mother, though.

What are you basing this on?

the beer revolu

funnydoggy wrote: »

What are you basing this on?

Nothing scientific or factual.
It's just my hunch and my one experience during the summer of educated adults socialising with alcohol during a pandemic.
I'll be delighted to be wrong.
Time will tell.

the beer revolu

the beer revolu wrote: »

........
It's just my hunch and my one experience during the summer of educated adults socialising with alcohol during a pandemic. ........

Even without the drink aspect even with 2m distancing between tables there's still risk of transmission indoors. Many restaurants are less than well ventilated and table & kitchen staff will be incredibly busy all shift, every shift ......... quite realistic to expect increased cases. During summer I noticed lots of staff really struggling not to touch their mask every few minutes.

You can rest assured there'll be folk from multiple households meeting up at the tables of 6 also.

the beer revolu

Augeo wrote: »

Even without the drink aspect even with 2m distancing between tables there's still risk of transmission indoors. Many restaurants are less than well ventilated and table & kitchen staff will be incredibly busy all shift, every shift ......... quite realistic to expect increased cases. During summer I noticed lots of staff really struggling not to touch their mask every few minutes.

You can rest assured there'll be folk from multiple households meeting up at the tables of 6 also.

Also, most of these staff are fairly young and have have been out of work and not socialising for months.
Suddenly they are going to be thrown into a mad busy Christmas period, including, no doubt, some heavy socialising of their own when not working, then coming in serving customers.

Chuck Noland

Well the cases aren’t going too go down. That only leaves one alternative.

It’s grand for Dr Tony and his mates too tell us “we need to do more” but we have the lowest rate in Europe currently but some of the harshest restrictions and amounts of time on lockdown, life is about balance not Just case figures/numbers. The more they talk about future lockdowns the more I believe those making the decisions are only looking out for their own CVs and future job applications in the EU or WHO and their ability too state how great they handled Covid while no one mentions the state of the economy or cancer/suicide deaths etc

the beer revolu

Chuck Noland wrote: »

Well the cases aren’t going too go down. That only leaves one alternative.

It’s grand for Dr Tony and his mates too tell us “we need to do more” but we have the lowest rate in Europe currently but some of the harshest restrictions and amounts of time on lockdown, life is about balance not Just case figures/numbers. The more they talk about future lockdowns the more I believe those making the decisions are only looking out for their own CVs and future job applications in the EU or WHO and their ability too state how great they handled Covid while no one mentions the state of the economy or cancer/suicide deaths etc

Of course balance is needed. I'm not criticising the government for opening up over the holiday period - I don't think they had a choice. I'm really glad that I don't have to make those kind of decisions and that is why I am slow to criticise these decisions made. We have never been here before - there is no precedent.

MM and Co bottled the L5 thing......... they didn't fancy waiting it out to see would the L3 restrictions have an impact. The data from two weeks into L3 on shows that L3 was very effective. L5 bang for buck (case reduction v economy)wasn't great IMO. We now have huge pent up demand for eating out ........ now to be fair Dec is mental for restaurants anyway so whatever happened we'd be here unless they were kept closed.

ACitizenErased

I don't think we'll see anything like September/October again.

Chuck Noland

Augeo wrote: »

You can rest assured there'll be folk from multiple households meeting up at the tables of 6 also.

Of course their will... the government guidelines allow 6 people from 6 different households to meet up. I’m not quite sure why you felt the need too state that ????

Chuck Noland

Chuck Noland wrote: »

Of course their will... the government guidelines allow 6 people from 6 different households to meet up. I’m not quite sure why you felt the need too state that ????

IMO it's a case of just because you can perhaps you should consider is it wise.
I'd not want to extend my close contacts so 5 other households tbh.

Are you sure you can meet up with 5 other households at the table of 6 in a restaurant BTW?


https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/covid-dining-what-the-new-coronavirus-restrictions-mean-as-restaurants-and-gastropubs-open-today-39822546.html
It is still not permitted to have any visitors in your home or garden unless you’re in a social bubble, and the public are reminded to only meet up with up to six people from two other households. People are also still expected to stay in their county.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/health/covid19/public_health_measures_for_covid19.html
You can meet other people away from your home. At Level 3, up to 6 people from 2 households can meet outdoors.

Chuck Noland

Augeo wrote: »

IMO it's a case of just because you can perhaps you should consider is it wise.
I'd not want to extend my close contacts so 5 other households tbh.

Are you sure you can meet up with 5 other households at the table of 6 in a restaurant BTW?


https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/covid-dining-what-the-new-coronavirus-restrictions-mean-as-restaurants-and-gastropubs-open-today-39822546.html
It is still not permitted to have any visitors in your home or garden unless you’re in a social bubble, and the public are reminded to only meet up with up to six people from two other households. People are also still expected to stay in their county.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/health/covid19/public_health_measures_for_covid19.html
You can meet other people away from your home. At Level 3, up to 6 people from 2 households can meet outdoors.

They were talking about it on the radio around 1 pm and I think it was Stephen Donnelly denying it sends mixed messages but rather it’s more about learning from phase 3 last time around. So it is allowed but as you say may not be best practice

H8GHOTI

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I don't think we'll see anything like September/October again.

Because we are L3 not L2?
Or because they will lockdown faster next time as soon as cases start to rise? Not wait until 1000+.

ACitizenErased

H8GHOTI wrote: »

Because we are L3 not L2?
Or because they will lockdown faster next time as soon as cases start to rise? Not wait until 1000+.

Level 3 worked last time. Even NPHET are predicting a max of 500-600 cases a day by January with an R of 1.4, way below what we saw in October.

Pen Rua

Augeo wrote: »

IMO it's a case of just because you can perhaps you should consider is it wise.
I'd not want to extend my close contacts so 5 other households tbh.

Are you sure you can meet up with 5 other households at the table of 6 in a restaurant BTW?


https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/covid-dining-what-the-new-coronavirus-restrictions-mean-as-restaurants-and-gastropubs-open-today-39822546.html
It is still not permitted to have any visitors in your home or garden unless you’re in a social bubble, and the public are reminded to only meet up with up to six people from two other households. People are also still expected to stay in their county.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/health/covid19/public_health_measures_for_covid19.html
You can meet other people away from your home. At Level 3, up to 6 people from 2 households can meet outdoors.

It's getting messy, confusing and unreasonable.

PRIVATE HOMES: No visitors, except for those in your social buble.
OUTDOORS AWAY FROM HOME: 6 people from 2 households may meet.
OUTDOOR EVENTS: max. 15 people (e.g. training)
RELIGOUS SERVICES: max. 50 people (but can be increased where there is room for multiple pods of 50 with distinct exits etc).
RESTAURANTS etc: max. 6 to a table (I'm struggling to find a solid source re the number of households permitted - but under the original 5 level plan, Level 1 permitted no more than 3 households. But even at that, who is checking if people are of the same household?)

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/ad569-level-3/

H8GHOTI

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Level 3 worked last time. Even NPHET are predicting a max of 500-600 cases a day by January with an R of 1.4, way below what we saw in October.

I posted about L3 & L5 weeks ago. Not convinced L3 alone was enough to bring the case numbers down in Cork. Given another week or two, the cases may have started to drop. We’ll never know for certain though because L5 was introduced.

Hopefully L3 will be enough to stabilise it this time around. However, last time we were limited to outdoor dining only weren’t we? So this will be a different L3 to last time. We’ll see how it goes. Fingers crossed.

H8GHOTI wrote: »

Here's our cases since the start of October.

The 231 was our worst one day total & that came 12 days into level 3. We had 162 cases on the 29th, which was 3 weeks after level 3 was introduced. It's only the last 5 days, we've been consistently under the 100 mark.

ACitizenErased

H8GHOTI wrote: »

I posted about L3 & L5 weeks ago. Not convinced L3 alone was enough to bring the case numbers down in Cork. Given another week or two, the cases may have started to drop. We’ll never know for certain though because L5 was introduced.

Hopefully L3 will be enough to stabilise it this time around. However, last time we were limited to outdoor dining only weren’t we? So this will be a different L3 to last time. We’ll see how it goes. Fingers crossed.

A week into Level 5 cases began to drop = level 3 working.
Restrictions take between 10 and 16 days to take effect.

H8GHOTI

ACitizenErased wrote: »

A week into Level 5 cases began to drop = level 3 working.
Restrictions take between 10 and 16 days to take effect.

We had 162 cases on the 29th, 22 days after L3 was introduced = not working.

We reported more cases on November 2nd than we did on the day we entered L3. That was 26 days later. Those stats don’t show a drop after 10-16 days.

funnydoggy

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I don't think we'll see anything like September/October again.

Agreed totally. F*cking thankfully

Be right back

12 cases in Cork today.

JP Liz V1

the beer revolu wrote: »

Don't mean to be pessimistic but I can see a massive surge in cases , possibly even before Christmas. And I mean massive.

I will be keeping my head down and not going to bars or restaurants this side of Christmas. Having said that, I totally understand the pent up eagerness to get out and socialise especially amongst people who live on their own - they are the group I really feel for. And I completely understand businesses who just want to get some money in their accounts after an extremely difficult year.

I don't want to jeopardise being able to spend Christmas day with my 91 year old mother, though.

I am worried too but if everyone is careful we can avoid another harsh level 5 lockdown hopefully, so stay safe and take care and roll on 2021 with a vaccine

It is good to see Cork numbers low

fin12

I think it’s funny people here saying won’t be going out this side of Christmas as if there’s another side after Christmas, it’s straight into lockdown again in January, even have the date already January 6th.

the beer revolu

fin12 wrote: »

I think it’s funny people here saying won’t be going out this side of Christmas as if there’s another side after Christmas, it’s straight into lockdown again in January, even have the date already January 6th.

I know my not going out won't prevent a lock down in January but it will greatly minimise the risk of me getting covid and having to isolate completely, avoiding all contact with family over what is going to be a weird Christmas, anyway.
Also, the thought of giving my 91 year old mother the virus, doesn't bear thinking about.

So, yeah, my "this side of Christmas", comment doesn't make sense with regard to what happens in January but all the risky behaviour that I wish to avoid, I suspect will be happening this side of Christmas, mostly.

Pen Rua

fin12 wrote: »

I think it’s funny people here saying won’t be going out this side of Christmas as if there’s another side after Christmas, it’s straight into lockdown again in January, even have the date already January 6th.

FWIW, the plan is go to back to the restrictions as they are today after the two week Christmas window, depending how numbers go etc.

ACitizenErased

13 cases in Cork today. That's the IT issue resolved and no increase here which is great news.

titan18

Apparently a decent amount of no shows in places. Collected food in Quinlan's there and they were saying they're turning people away at the door but have bookings not turning up at the same time

Mushy

titan18 wrote: »

Apparently a decent amount of no shows in places. Collected food in Quinlan's there and they were saying they're turning people away at the door but have bookings not turning up at the same time

Need to start taking deposits.

Or state if more than 5 minutes late, table is gone

titan18

Mushy wrote: »

Need to start taking deposits.

Or state if more than 5 minutes late, table is gone

Ya, I think any place is fair enough asking for a deposit. 10 euro per person booked or something high enough that will stop people booking multiple places which is what seems to be happening