Coronavirus (COVID-19)

sporina

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I know someone who picked it up in a restaurant. You can do everything right, the problem is it's airborne.

We opened restaurants and gastro pubs. Then people went home for Christmas. They should never have allowed food establishments to open AND allow household visits at Christmas. And that's exactly what NPHET recommended back in November, it was one or the other. But government ignored NPHET's advice and allowed both to happen.

Happened all over the country though.

yep - i rem Martin et al ignoring NEPHET's recommendations twice last Oct/Nov and look where we are now...

"let everyone have a nice xmas"... typical Irish attitude - sure it'll be grand.. I knew Jan would be bad but it was so much worse than I imagined..

ACitizenErased

sporina wrote: »

yep - i rem Martin et al ignoring NEPHET's recommendations twice last Oct/Nov and look where we are now...

"let everyone have a nice xmas"... typical Irish attitude - sure it'll be grand.. I knew Jan would be bad but it was so much worse than I imagined..

I'm a firm believer that inward travel is the predominant reason why cases got so high tbh

Mardyke

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I'm a firm believer that inward travel is the predominant reason why cases got so high tbh

It's not possible to single that out.

December saw a free-for-all, basically. Shops, restaurants, pubs open and busy. Gyms open. People inside.

And then Christmas day, with half of country gathered for dinner, ignoring the fact that we had a pandemic!

I think the messaging then was crazy. It gave the impression that suddenly three households was somehow ok.

ACitizenErased

Mardyke wrote: »

It's not possible to single that out.

December saw a free-for-all, basically. Shops, restaurants, pubs open and busy. Gyms open. People inside.

And then Christmas day, with half of country gathered for dinner, ignoring the fact that we had a pandemic!

I think the messaging then was crazy. It gave the impression that suddenly three households was somehow ok.

Aaaannd thousands arriving from abroad. But that's a non-issue, apparently.

Mardyke

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Aaaannd thousands arriving from abroad. But that's a non-issue, apparently.

Who said its a non-issue? Can you read?

It was a perfect storm of all of these things, facilitated by the inept government we have.

I'd say you vote Fianna Fail do ya?! You give that impression. Listen to nobody except yourself!

ACitizenErased

Mardyke wrote: »

Who said its a non-issue? Can you read?

It was a perfect storm of all of these things, facilitated by the inept government we have.

I'd say you vote Fianna Fail do ya?! You give that impression. Listen to nobody except yourself!

Why do you get personal with comments? Grow up a bit, act your age.

TheChizler

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Aaaannd thousands arriving from abroad. But that's a non-issue, apparently.

Many many many multiples of that doing the Christmas mixing though. It likely had its part to play but impossible to say how much without more than a basic trace.

ACitizenErased

TheChizler wrote: »

Many many many multiples of that doing the Christmas mixing though. It likely had its part to play but impossible to say how much without more than a basic trace.

Travel -> christmas mixing is what causes cases. The level of virus in the community was relatively low, a massive explosion in cases is caused by outside sources.
The variant breakdown proves that.

Mardyke

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Travel -> christmas mixing is what causes cases. The level of virus in the community was relatively low, a massive explosion in cases is caused by outside sources.
The variant breakdown proves that.

You need to be challenged because an awful lot of what you post is either blatantly incorrect or pure speculation dressed up as fact.

If you take that personally that's your own problem.

Above is a perfect example of you coming up with some notion and expecting everyone to accept it as fact.

ACitizenErased

Mardyke wrote: »

You need to be challenged because an awful lot of what you post is either blatantly incorrect or pure speculation dressed up as fact.

If you take that personally that's your own problem.

Above is a perfect example of you coming up with some notion and expecting everyone to accept it as fact.

Look up the UK's variant breakdown and watch NPHET's briefing from last week, then come back to me.

Mardyke

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Look up the UK's variant breakdown and watch NPHET's briefing from last week, then come back to me.

I'm going having my dinner. You can go away and come back to yourself!!!

I don't need to look up anything to back up my point that your assertions are simply that... Assertions.

Cork2021

Can some people not have opinions? Christ! This doomsday rhetoric is getting fûcking old now.
Transmission rates increased at Xmas because we all licked each other’s faces and allowed people travel into the country. It’s that fûcking simple! The UK variant is dominant that says enough for me. We still have inward travel either by plane or boat. A certain minority group aren’t helping our situation either and guess where a good shot of them live? ENGERLAND!!!

Away With The Fairies

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Aaaannd thousands arriving from abroad. But that's a non-issue, apparently.

It was a mix of things. People coming into the country, went off to have nights out in restaurants and pubs and then went home to the parents for Christmas.

Friend was being cautious, went out to dinner before Christmas with her husband, caught covid while eating out but symptoms didn't show until after Christmas. Thankfully she kept Christmas quite but if she had visitors, it would be more spread.

It was a complete disaster what happened.

who_me

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Travel -> christmas mixing is what causes cases. The level of virus in the community was relatively low, a massive explosion in cases is caused by outside sources.
The variant breakdown proves that.

Yeah, it seems likely it was a mix of a few factors.

- The second lockdown was effective, but not as effective as the first. After the first lockdown the cases were down to single-digits on certain days, and Cork in particular would go several days without deaths; but after the second lockdown the cases per day were still up in the hundreds. So we were heading into Christmas from a much higher/worse starting spot.

- Opening for Christmas was always likely to lead increased socialising, even among people who had otherwise been careful. Any time the restrictions are lifted the cases go up, but reducing them for Christmas was always going to be particularly risky.

- And it's not just 'local' socialising, but people travelling home for Christmas; meaning 'bubbles' were expanding domestically, and also with those coming home from abroad. Whenever the more contagious variants arrived here - them being here while restrictions were lifted was an opportunity for them to wreak havoc.

Morries Wigs

IMO inward travel from abroad caused the explosion at christmas and january just my 2 cents

We opened up restaurants etc start of Dec........ 250/300 cases per day........ by 20 Dec there was 766 cases........ the damage was done before folk came home for Christmas......... travel no doubt played it's part but the figures IMO make a significant case for travel home to Ireland for Christmas wasn't at all the main problem. It was the socialising etc and all of the household mixing, IMO.

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/4a0ca-48-hours-ban-on-flights-to-ireland-from-great-britain/

In response to the identification of a new strain of COVID-19 in the South-East of England, the government has announced a ban on all flights arriving into Ireland from Great Britain with effect from midnight tonight, Sunday, 20 December 2020.

Also, loads of folk didn't get home for Christmas, either by choice or they simply couldn't manage it logistically.

Also ...

https://www.who.int/csr/don/21-december-2020-sars-cov2-variant-united-kingdom/en/

A total of 1108 cases infected with SARS-CoV-2 VUI 202012/01 have been detected in the United Kingdom as of 13 December 2020.

IIRC it's about 50% more contagious than the original version....... part of the problem no doubt but not the entire problem.

IMO.

JP Liz V1

Many English reg vehicles coming in through the North, down the border

The guard was let down for December, too many meeting up

Hopefully we can continue to get cases down and vaccines roled out

ACitizenErased

Looks like the close contacts have no impact on case numbers, as I suspected.
831 positive swabs, 5.52% positivity on 15,047 tests.
- Monday, February 1st 2021

........ are you basing that off one day's results?

ACitizenErased

Augeo wrote: »

........ are you basing that off one day's results?

Nope, 3 days.

There was 1254 new cases on Fri, 1414 new cases on Sat, 1247 yesterday .......... how many close contacts were tested?

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/covid-19-figures-to-rise-this-week-as-close-contact-testing-resumes-nphet-1073303.html
Nolan reckons ................

“That might inflate those numbers by as much as 10 per cent. It is entirely possible that over the coming week we will see a bump in the figures as we detect those people,” Prof Nolan said.

Were you also correct when you were saying asymptomatic close contacts were being tested for the last few weeks when the nation was told it was resumed since Fri?

ACitizenErased

Augeo wrote: »

There was 1254 new cases on Fri, 1414 new cases on Sat, 1247 yesterday .......... how many close contacts were tested?

Average is 2 per case, you do the maths.

ACitizenErased

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Average is 2 per case, you do the maths.

So you presume all close contacts were tested?
Do I include that presumption?
Why don't you do the maths and post them here as you are the one claiming "close contacts have no impact on case numbers"

Corholio

It was a whole mix of things that caused cases to go up, no way at all it was just travel or even close to majority so imo. Low community transmission before Christmas is not a sign that it was just travel at all. The huge opening up in one go, at the busiest time, obviously made transmission spread quickly, with every retail, hospitality busier than at any other time of the year and at any other previous low community transmission rate. The jump of people out and about compared from late November to early December was visually huge.

Good to see the positivity rates low though. Long may it continue.

H8GHOTI

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Looks like the close contacts have no impact on case numbers, as I suspected.
831 positive swabs, 5.52% positivity on 15,047 tests.
- Monday, February 1st 2021

Oh well done ACE :-)

who_me

Based on recent reports here, it seems we're up over 4 vaccination doses per 100 people, which puts us in the top 2 or 3 in the EU; great to see. Still lagging behind the UK and the US obviously.

Surprisingly Israel is out on its own by a considerable margin (over 50 doses per 100 people have been administered). Wherever they're getting their vaccine, fair play to them.

H8GHOTI

who_me wrote: »

... it seems we're up over 4 vaccination doses per 100 people, which puts us in the top 2 or 3 in the EU; great to see...

Easy when you’re not bothered who gets it, hospital admin staff & family members....

Joking aside, that’s pleasantly surprising. For all the talk of a slow start, we’re doing ok.

Chuck Noland

who_me wrote: »

Based on recent reports here, it seems we're up over 4 vaccination doses per 100 people, which puts us in the top 2 or 3 in the EU; great to see. Still lagging behind the UK and the US obviously.

Surprisingly Israel is out on its own by a considerable margin (over 50 doses per 100 people have been administered). Wherever they're getting their vaccine, fair play to them.

They bought the vaccines back in June at a premium. 3 times more then country’s are paying currently

Stark

Chuck Noland wrote: »

They bought the vaccines back in June at a premium. 3 times more then country’s are paying currently

And worth every penny imo. Got them for around $60 a dose (EU are paying $12 I think) but that's like one day's worth of PUP when you think about so an absolute pittance in the grand scheme of things.

Be right back

137 cases in Cork.