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    #2042
    kippy
    Registered Users Posts: 18,578 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    color_girl wrote: »
    Is anyone elses private company completely anti-WFH? While my company has a manufacturing side, there is alot of roles that are office based and have been successfully working from home for the last year but despite Level 5 still being in place are already implementing plans to bring EVERYONE back in, no questions and no discussion on whether you want to or not or entertaining any questions about how we are still in level 5!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I know the new WFH legislation will make it a legal right to request WFH but that might not even be before the Dail before May/June so too late...

    I'd say there are plenty companies like this to be honest - despite the "shining lights" that generally are tech companies of some description.


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    #2043
    moycullen14
    Registered Users Posts: 881 ✭✭✭moycullen14


    Naos wrote: »
    That's an amazing perk. We have such a high amount of non-Irish in our workforce, being able to go home and spend time with their families for an extended period of time rather than trying to fit everything into a week or two is a class move.

    Brilliant. The thought of being able to go to the Canaries, say, for January and February each year and continue to work. Hmmmm.

    Not for everybody but if you could do it, it would be fab.


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    #2044
    moycullen14
    Registered Users Posts: 881 ✭✭✭moycullen14


    color_girl wrote: »
    Is anyone elses private company completely anti-WFH? While my company has a manufacturing side, there is alot of roles that are office based and have been successfully working from home for the last year but despite Level 5 still being in place are already implementing plans to bring EVERYONE back in, no questions and no discussion on whether you want to or not or entertaining any questions about how we are still in level 5!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I know the new WFH legislation will make it a legal right to request WFH but that might not even be before the Dail before May/June so too late...

    Went for an interview a few years back. Work looked interesting but it would have involved a fair commute so I mentioned WFH a few days a week....

    The reaction was horrendous. 'We don't agree with WFH at all!' Interview effectively ended there and then.

    Wonder how they got on in the last year :-)


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    #2045
    nearzero
    Registered Users Posts: 266 ✭✭nearzero


    moycullen14 wrote: »
    Went for an interview a few years back. Work looked interesting but it would have involved a fair commute so I mentioned WFH a few days a week....

    The reaction was horrendous. 'We don't agree with WFH at all!' Interview effectively ended there and then.

    Wonder how they got on in the last year :-)

    That would be interesting!

    Our place is odd - its the HR who are completely anti it cause they dont trust the staff but all the managers submitted annual reviews saying productivity and engagement was up. Even the MD is not overly opposed to it, but HR is blocking it at every step.

    If productivity was down I could understand it...

    I'm really disappointed with their complete disregard for the guidelines though, that just shows no respect for employees :(


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    #2046
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,649 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    You can. The workstations can do into a server room (or into one big server!).

    You can use your laptop to remote into them from a hot desk as well as from your home

    I'm not sure how we are going to fit the 3 or 4 monitors everyone with workstations has in the server room. Its going to bit crowded.

    Its not really the same thing, working on a 14" laptop and single screen. That's assuming you're not sharing the kitchen table with 5 others.


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    #2047
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,649 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    color_girl wrote: »
    Is anyone elses private company completely anti-WFH? While my company has a manufacturing side, there is alot of roles that are office based and have been successfully working from home for the last year but despite Level 5 still being in place are already implementing plans to bring EVERYONE back in, no questions and no discussion on whether you want to or not or entertaining any questions about how we are still in level 5!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I know the new WFH legislation will make it a legal right to request WFH but that might not even be before the Dail before May/June so too late...

    Someone I know works in a place where they have to share a single computer for one piece of work they do, because they only have one software license for that software. They basically hot desk on one computer.


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    #2048
    Batattackrat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭Batattackrat


    RacoonQueen wrote: »
    100% this. Being away from this sh*te has helped my mental health too. Office politics are an awful thing.

    100% this. In my building there is around 80 on my floor and I'm friendly with three who I like.

    I have no interest in small talk with the other 75 people if in the canteen. I would prefer to blank them. Its not that i dislike them or anything, I couldn't be bothered. Also engaging in activities outside the work place such as xmas parties, meals and other events I have absolutely zero interest in participating or making small talk people at these events.

    I have great friends outside work and absolutely depise office politics.


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    #2049
    Mrs OBumble
    Registered Users Posts: 25,904 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    color_girl wrote: »
    Is anyone elses private company completely anti-WFH? While my company has a manufacturing side, there is alot of roles that are office based and have been successfully working from home for the last year but despite Level 5 still being in place are already implementing plans to bring EVERYONE back in, no questions and no discussion on whether you want to or not or entertaining any questions about how we are still in level 5!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I know the new WFH legislation will make it a legal right to request WFH but that might not even be before the Dail before May/June so too late...

    You will have a legal right to ask, but they don't have to approve.

    It could build a lot of resentment if manufacturing staff have to be in, but office staff are allowed to work off site long term. Even if you can prove the work in getting done, uts an optics issue.


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    #2050
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,939 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    You will have a legal right to ask, but they don't have to approve.
    This is the problem with the legislation.
    It does nothing! People were always entitled to ask!


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    #2051
    [Deleted User]
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    RacoonQueen wrote: »
    100% this. Being away from this sh*te has helped my mental health too. Office politics are an awful thing.

    I will be forever grateful if I never have to listen to the lads discussing/arguing over every football match/GAA/enter sport of choice results ever again. They're worse then the baby bores.


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    #2052
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    You will have a legal right to ask, but they don't have to approve.

    It could build a lot of resentment if manufacturing staff have to be in, but office staff are allowed to work off site long term. Even if you can prove the work in getting done, uts an optics issue.

    Let the manufacturing staff work from home, when their productivity drops to 0 you begin disciplinary proceedings.
    Or they can get over it that their job isn't suited to working from home.


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    #2053
    kippy
    Registered Users Posts: 18,578 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    You will have a legal right to ask, but they don't have to approve.

    It could build a lot of resentment if manufacturing staff have to be in, but office staff are allowed to work off site long term. Even if you can prove the work in getting done, uts an optics issue.
    It shouldn't really be an optics issue. If people resent others for their terms and conditions there's really only one solution....resenting them does nothing for anyone.


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    #2054
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    ELM327 wrote: »
    This is the problem with the legislation.
    It does nothing! People were always entitled to ask!

    Well - It forces the employer to provide a legitimate reason for not allowing it.

    Simply saying "we don't want to" is no longer sufficient.

    Having said that ,like a lot of this kind of legislation, triggering that legal pathway isn't exactly going to do your career much good.


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    #2055
    HairySalmon
    Registered Users Posts: 509 ✭✭✭HairySalmon


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Let the manufacturing staff work from home, when their productivity drops to 0 you begin disciplinary proceedings.
    Or they can get over it that their job isn't suited to working from home.

    It depends on their position if they’re tied to the floor in case there’s a physical issue that needs fixing there and then.

    At the same time, that’s just a reality of some jobs. In normal circumstances, being a teacher wouldn’t allow you to always work from home, so people need to accept that a minority of jobs can’t be done remotely. If it bothers them enough they can switch to a job that allows it, or just get on with it.


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    #2056
    JDD
    Registered Users Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭JDD


    kippy wrote: »
    It shouldn't really be an optics issue. If people resent others for their terms and conditions there's really only one solution....resenting them does nothing for anyone.

    I always thought introducing the "legal right to ask" legislation was a nonsense. Unless people were getting fired for merely asking to work from home, it's not worth the paper it is written on. Unless the legislation said that your employer had to give you a reasonable explanation of why your job, or the way you work in particular, is not suitable to WFH - and there was an appeal system where an independent body had the power to reverse that decision, then it's nonsense.


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    #2057
    Antares35
    Registered Users Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    JDD wrote: »
    I always thought introducing the "legal right to ask" legislation was a nonsense. Unless people were getting fired for merely asking to work from home, it's not worth the paper it is written on. Unless the legislation said that your employer had to give you a reasonable explanation of why your job, or the way you work in particular, is not suitable to WFH - and there was an appeal system where an independent body had the power to reverse that decision, then it's nonsense.

    Agree. Anything with "Code" in its title is useful only for lighting the fire IMO.


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    #2058
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,649 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    At least the lockdown forced everyone who could try WFH to actually try it so anyone that could be persuaded, probably has been.

    Anyone who hasn't been persuaded at this point probably will never be. All the low hanging fruit is gone.


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    #2059
    [Deleted User]
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    color_girl wrote: »
    Is anyone elses private company completely anti-WFH? While my company has a manufacturing side, there is alot of roles that are office based and have been successfully working from home for the last year but despite Level 5 still being in place are already implementing plans to bring EVERYONE back in, no questions and no discussion on whether you want to or not or entertaining any questions about how we are still in level 5!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I know the new WFH legislation will make it a legal right to request WFH but that might not even be before the Dail before May/June so too late...

    I have already made WFH my line in the sand. My current employer offers it but if that were to change, I'd be gone like a shot. Plenty of other businesses out there that will allow it.

    Don't be afraid to move


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    #2060
    Naos
    Registered Users Posts: 4,738 ✭✭✭Naos


    beauf wrote: »
    At least the lockdown forced everyone who could try WFH to actually try it so anyone that could be persuaded, probably has been.

    Anyone who hasn't been persuaded at this point probably will never be. All the low hanging fruit is gone.

    I was speaking with a friend of mine who had WFH pre-pandemic. He told me if you enjoy WFH now, you would love it during normal times.

    Being able to go to the gym right after work, pub, cafe during lunch, slip away quickly for the weekend etc - he said it's completely different and much, much better.


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    #2061
    Mrs OBumble
    Registered Users Posts: 25,904 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Let the manufacturing staff work from home, when their productivity drops to 0 you begin disciplinary proceedings.
    Or they can get over it that their job isn't suited to working from home.

    Have you ever managed staff in a company where there are office and factory floor staff?
    Can you imagine how many machinery breakdowns a "get over it" message would cause?


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    #2062
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Naos wrote: »
    I was speaking with a friend of mine who had WFH pre-pandemic. He told me if you enjoy WFH now, you would love it during normal times.

    Being able to go to the gym right after work, pub, cafe during lunch, slip away quickly for the weekend etc - he said it's completely different and much, much better.

    Even for things like going back home for the weekend it's great. I kinda used to hate doing it because so much of your weekend was wasted travelling back home on Friday and back to Dublin on Sunday.

    During the summer when inter county travel was allowed I went back one week on a Thursday evening and then went back to Dublin on Tuesday or Wednesday evening. It was great. I had a full weekend at home to see people and do shít. I didn't have to get a bus hungover and tired on Sunday evening. WFH in normal times is going to be great.


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    #2063
    kippy
    Registered Users Posts: 18,578 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Have you ever managed staff in a company where there are office and factory floor staff?
    Can you imagine how many machinery breakdowns a "get over it" message would cause?

    Let's be straight here..if factory floor staff resent those that can WFH what do you think they should do?


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    #2064
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Article suggesting that WFH has failed, especially with the very young.
    It’s not just ‘old school’ thinking – a recent study found two-thirds of workers ‘craving’ more in-person time with their teams

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/apr/08/working-from-home-is-a-failed-experiment


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    #2065
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Article suggesting that WFH has failed, especially with the very young.



    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/apr/08/working-from-home-is-a-failed-experiment

    People can want or crave more time with co-workers without it meaning WFH is a failed experiment. That's why lots are saying that a mix of WFH and office is good. Also, it mentions employees working from home are more stressed. That wouldn't be down to the whole global pandemic thing by any chance?


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    #2066
    Antares35
    Registered Users Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    AlmightyCushion wrote: »
    People can want or crave more time with co-workers without it meaning WFH is a failed experiment. That's why lots are saying that a mix of WFH and office is good. Also, it mentions employees working from home are more stressed. That wouldn't be down to the whole global pandemic thing by any chance?

    I would suspect some of them are just missing socialising full stop. I'd be curious to know if the "I miss my co-workers" sentiment will shift when we can meet our friends and family again. Certainly, while good working relationships are important, socialising shouldn't be the primary driver behind why you work in a certain place.


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    #2067
    kippy
    Registered Users Posts: 18,578 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Antares35 wrote: »
    I would suspect some of them are just missing socialising full stop. I'd be curious to know if the "I miss my co-workers" sentiment will shift when we can meet our friends and family again. Certainly, while good working relationships are important, socialising shouldn't be the primary driver behind why you work in a certain place.

    100 percent things would be much better with WFH were we not in a pandemic with all the associated restrictions that go with it.


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    #2068
    [Deleted User]
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Have you ever managed staff in a company where there are office and factory floor staff?
    Can you imagine how many machinery breakdowns a "get over it" message would cause?

    Has to be your weakest attempted troll in a long time


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    #2069
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,939 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Article suggesting that WFH has failed, especially with the very young.



    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/apr/08/working-from-home-is-a-failed-experiment

    I wonder if younger employees are typically in more challenging environments - box rooms in a house share, sharing with people they didn't choose and probably don't trust.


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    #2070
    Ted_YNWA
    Registered Users Posts: 71,799 ✭✭✭✭Ted_YNWA


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Has to be your weakest attempted troll in a long time

    Mod

    Don't accuse others of trolling on thread. Use the Report funtion.


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    #2071
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    I wonder if younger employees are typically in more challenging environments - box rooms in a house share, sharing with people they didn't choose and probably don't trust.

    Probably not an unreasonable assumption.

    It also cannot be said too often - WFH today is NOT the same as WFH when things are normal.

    If you are one of those people working from a kitchen table or couch today , you are literally going from bed to chair and back to bed etc. every single day - relentlessly.

    In the normal WFH world - You are heading out and meeting friends for lunch in a local café , heading to sport/cinema/gym/bar in the evenings etc. etc.

    What this phase has proved is that companies can get their work done when their employees are remote .

    People that are unhappy or undecided on the merits of WFH should probably wait and see how they feel about it when life outside the standard 9-5 window is normal before making a final decision


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