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Tonynewholland

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I can't help it, I've tried retyping it but it's still a rant about weak leadership. Apologies for the tangent.

We have a leadership vacuum. We had a poor type of a lockdown before Christmas, either do a job properly or don't bother. During that lockdown there was a % of the populations screaming about Christmas. Our weak Govt gambled it'd be a politically beneficial move to allow a relatively open Christmas. When you add in events like Golf-gate and a hundred other things, another % of the population said fcuk this, we're going to do as we please because this isn't working anyway. One example was a large post funeral pub gathering in the next town over from me, which lead to a...... big covid outbreak.

That is lack of clear effective leadership from day one, **** flows downhill. I'm not saying they're easy decisions to make, but our current generation of politicians seem particularly spineless. They recoil at the thought a decision may make them, temporarily, unpopular. (They're also in fear on the Shinners). That inertia is inherently weak. It's also contagious. The lockdowns were only ever a tool to prevent overwhelm of a poor health service, it's what they're still meant to do.

Travel is another symptom of it, we can't be seen to be closed for business! So your mother, my child, someone elses aunt or grandfather must be collateral damage. No. There are, as you alluded to, examples of states around the world controlling this virus, how, leadership, hard decisions, treating this as what it is a war against a virus. But no, a form and follow up phone call is the Irish solution to a Global problem and without a hint of surprise it proved an abject failure. If we are to be open then fine, escort travelers to mandatory monitored quarantine with compulsory testing. There have been many human studies which showed in the absence of monitoring, people do as they please, not as they should. In Ireland we prefer spin, the problem is... 'Rona doesn't read the Indo. So here we be, with the highest infection rate per million of population on the planet. That's the sound of one hand clapping FF, FG, GP.

My newest hobby horse is how have we arrived at a situation where our public representation is so desperately weak. My feeling is that a population get's the government it most deserves. We the people have effectively been divided and conquered. We are fighting with each other when we should be pressing for ability, accountability, honour, decency, and other traits in OUR public representatives.

We can’t keep blaming the government for everything. Irish people were going to break any rules the government could have brought in over Christmas. If they start throwing out fines we will have the likes of water is free crowd making hay. Look at all the clever Irish people who flew into the north and came south when the government did stop flights from the uk.

Tonynewholland

Tonynewholland wrote: »

We can’t keep blaming the government for everything. Irish people were going to break any rules the government could have brought in over Christmas. If they start throwing out fines we will have the likes of water is free crowd making hay. Look at all the clever Irish people who flew into the north and came south when the government did stop flights from the uk.

This is why we have the Government we deserve. The public health advice, contrary to our fibber of a health minister was not to open up before Christmas. From day 1 most people I have seen comment have been flabbergasted at our open border policy, there's no need to close them, but we need to effectively control them. Things like this ARE the job of government. When they're not doing it, it's the citizens who need to question why and hold them to account.

yosemitesam1

Tonynewholland wrote: »

We can’t keep blaming the government for everything. Irish people were going to break any rules the government could have brought in over Christmas. If they start throwing out fines we will have the likes of water is free crowd making hay. Look at all the clever Irish people who flew into the north and came south when the government did stop flights from the uk.

When you see reports of gorillas in a zoo that was closed for the last month catching covid, you really have to wonder how much of it is actually in people's control. A certain amount of spreading is unavoidable, we have to accept that and let people have some sort of outlet in their lives, the boom and bust cycles of lockdown aren't really getting results for anyone

wrangler

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

When you see reports of gorillas in a zoo that was closed for the last month catching covid, you really have to wonder how much of it is actually in people's control. A certain amount of spreading is unavoidable, we have to accept that and let people have some sort of outlet in their lives, the boom and bust cycles of lockdown aren't really getting results for anyone

You won't beat it until all either get it or are vaccinated, In reality boom and bust it the only alternative while waiting for the vaccine. Probably have to let it rattle through the whole population otherwise. As it is even with the bit of control, hospitals are starting to cull hopeless cases and prioritise those with hope

wrangler

wrangler wrote: »

You won't beat it until all either get it or are vaccinated, In reality boom and bust it the only alternative while waiting for the vaccine. Probably have to let it rattle through the whole population otherwise. As it is even with the bit of control, hospitals are starting to cull hopeless cases and prioritise those with hope

You realise you can get Covid more than once, right?

wrangler

Deleted User wrote: »

You realise you can get Covid more than once, right?

I know that, but if the first time didn't educate you, you'd deserve to get it again.
It also means that no matter what action the Government takes, they're not going to win. Blaming them is futile.
We may just let it take its course

wrangler

wrangler wrote: »

I know that, but if the first time didn't educate you, you'd deserve to get it again.
It also means that no matter what action the Government takes, they're not going to win. Blaming them is futile.
We may just let it take its course

It's about taking the best advice and acting on it. This Government hasn't done that. Both ministers for health and education told porkies on TV lately. Govt can and do affect the ability of the virus to spread.

_Brian

See the U.K. are reporting 91,000 excess deaths during 2020 compared to average of previous 5 years, in fact the most excess deaths recorded since WW2 era.
That should finally quell the “it’s just flu with different name” and the “let it run its course” brigades.

yosemitesam1

_Brian wrote: »

See the U.K. are reporting 91,000 excess deaths during 2020 compared to average of previous 5 years, in fact the most excess deaths recorded since WW2 era.
That should finally quell the “it’s just flu with different name” and the “let it run its course” brigades.

What excess deaths did we end up with?

What excess deaths did Sweden end up with?

UK had the double whammy of mass hysteria and a high covid prevalence. Worst of both worlds, but even still they've had higher all cause death rates per 1,000 people in the last 20 years than this year.

endainoz

_Brian wrote: »

See the U.K. are reporting 91,000 excess deaths during 2020 compared to average of previous 5 years, in fact the most excess deaths recorded since WW2 era.
That should finally quell the “it’s just flu with different name” and the “let it run its course” brigades.

That same brigade will probably blame it on suicides or some other whataboutery.

_Brian

endainoz wrote: »

That same brigade will probably blame it on suicides or some other whataboutery.

I see that, but I’m open for every whack to have an opinion. They don’t get their own facts though. 91,000 excess deaths. Highest since WW2

whelan2

I'm limiting going anywhere. So many gob****es about there. No wonder we are were we are with case numbers

_Brian

Wife’s vaccination was put off due to supply issues 🙄
Hopefully Thursday.

gozunda

whelan2 wrote: »

I'm limiting going anywhere. So many gob****es about there. No wonder we are were we are with case numbers

Same here. Seen some absolutely stupid carry on still continuing.

whelan2

gozunda wrote: »

Same here. Seen some absolutely stupid carry on still continuing.

From supposedly educated people

gozunda

whelan2 wrote: »

From supposedly educated people

They'd be educated gob****es then :pac:

NcdJd

gozunda wrote: »

They'd be educated gob****es then :pac:

Plenty of educated people i know who since the pandemic began I would now class as gob****es. I don't think I'll ever see them in any other light again now. Education is no guarantee of either cop on or common sense.

Say my name

gozunda wrote: »

They'd be educated gob****es then :pac:

If there's one thing I never knew there was so much travel back and forth between south Africa and Ireland.
And people openly saying as such.
And it's not the poorest in society doing the trip.

gozunda

Say my name wrote: »

If there's one thing I never knew there was so much travel back and forth between south Africa and Ireland.
And people openly saying as such.
And it's not the poorest in society doing the trip.

My father had a saying that a certain private boys school always used to get the cream of the entire country

Ie the rich and thick ...

I think the point though is that you can be educated but still not know how to butter toast or have an ounce of common sense.

I'd place all of our international commuters in that basket tbh.

Base price

whelan2 wrote: »

What's the story now with the likes of fracture clinics? Used to be loads of people would get the same appointment time and be handled in bunches.

OH was supposed to go for his first check up & x-ray's tomorrow morning but they phoned yesterday and changed it to the afternoon. He is supposed to have his collarbone, ribs and neck x-rayed so we will see what happens tomorrow.

Base price

46 deaths today, God help their families.

_Brian

_Brian wrote: »

Wife’s vaccination was put off due to supply issues 🙄
Hopefully Thursday.

At least her test came back negative

jimini0

Base price wrote: »

46 deaths today, God help their families.

Rip to those people. But75% of the people in this country would be saddened by that. The rest couldn't give a fxxk about anyone but themselves.
Mayo is rife with cases 466 today alone. The bulk of those cases are in the North West of the county. Apparently some people decided to celebrate Stephans day in the local hotel.

whelan2

See from Saturday you have to have a negative covid test when entering Ireland from all countries

carrollsno1

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

No western countries have actually succeeded in getting control of numbers bar nz and aus, both of which had the benefit of summer to halt spread and stop it becoming endemic in their populations. Had they been in the northern hemisphere,they would most likely have been no better off than the rest of us.
Dont know how their vaccinations are coming along down there but they could easily see more lockdowns as they go into winter.

Asian countries will happily tell a good story but I don't think they can be trusted not to lie and we shouldn't blindly follow any policies that "worked" for them unless there's proof of it working elsewhere

Australia and New Zealand were facing into the winter at the start of the pandemic. Borders closed and interstate lockdowns worked for them. Pubs are open there this last 6 months or more in Australia with the exception for Victoria which had a big lockdown. As for New Zealand i think the pubs had to close for one or two weeks since they came out of there first lockdown. Whos to say they eont suffer with it tbis coming winter but i reckon the lockdowns had more kf an effect than the climate.

_Brian

whelan2 wrote: »

See from Saturday you have to have a negative covid test when entering Ireland from all countries

Late but badly needed measure

Slinky94

whelan2 wrote: »

See from Saturday you have to have a negative covid test when entering Ireland from all countries

Do you need a piece of paper saying it was a negative test or if they text you the result on your phone does that cover you?

mandrake04

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

No western countries have actually succeeded in getting control of numbers bar nz and aus, both of which had the benefit of summer to halt spread and stop it becoming endemic in their populations. Had they been in the northern hemisphere,they would most likely have been no better off than the rest of us.
Dont know how their vaccinations are coming along down there but they could easily see more lockdowns as they go into winter.

I live in NSW and it was open all winter, Pubs, Restaurants etc opened up in start of June. Victoria/Melbourne winter is Shyte compared to Sydney but their biggest problem down there was the leftard government who thought military guards in quarantine hotel was too ‘confrontational’ they choose to pay some immigrant Uber driver $20/hr and then of course they didn’t take it seriously and aside having sex with the detainees probably taking the odd backhander to let them out for walks and go to shops etc.

Australia has had 28k cases, 6K were overseas and 20K were community transmission in Melbourne alone. QLD and WA and the territory’s were basically unscathed as most of the internationals arrivals were through Sydney or Melbourne. NSW has been doing the heavy lifting of internationals...but that’s been reduced by 50% and they tightening up quarantine even more.



This tells the real story



Vaccine wise they plan to vaccinate 4m (20% pop) in 6 weeks starting with Airport staff and quarantine workers next month. The Premier was on today saying vaccines alone are not enough and there will be still restrictions rest of the year but their aim is to keep everything open and only have localised 2-3 day lockdowns hard and early. The way to think of it is things can still go all ‘European’ and down the toilet at any time but we have had a great run so far.

whelan2

Slinky94 wrote: »

Do you need a piece of paper saying it was a negative test or if they text you the result on your phone does that cover you?

From what I read its proof of a lab test within the last 3 days. A quick test wont suffice. I assume on your phone results or on paper. Was reading on another forum of an irish couple returned from lanzarote last week both very bad in hospital with covid. Why would you travel now ?

wrangler

whelan2 wrote: »

From what I read its proof of a lab test within the last 3 days. A quick test wont suffice. I assume on your phone results or on paper. Was reading on another forum of an irish couple returned from lanzarote last week both very bad in hospital with covid. Why would you travel now ?

The result should have to be on a database somewhere so that when customs at the departing airport read the barcode on your passport it'll flag the non tested.
If it's like the usual effort by the public service at restrictions they might as well not bother, anyone could print off a negative result