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wrangler

whelan2 wrote: »

What do ye think of today's announcement? Bit disappointed kids training wont be back for a few weeks. My dad is getting his first vaccine on Thursday. My mother isn't old enough yet.

Around here they're doing couples, even neighbours here were done within a few hours of each other even though they're different practises

Dinzee Conlee

zetecescort wrote: »

yeah, how being in a class is alright but out in fresh air training is not is a strange one

I dunno...

Is it that the schoola aren’t too bad, cos the kids can be kinda kept under control?

But, with sports - it’s not the people playing as such, is it the supporters and the followers that kinda forget about the rules?
Maybe that just applies to older kids or young adults?

But, if it’s just kids training, I wouldn’t be too worried. The kids have their social outlet in school at least...

yosemitesam1

https://press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html


Well worth a read. A few too many similarities to where we currently find ourselves for my liking...

Suckler

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

https://press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html


Well worth a read. A few too many similarities to where we currently find ourselves for my liking...

It's worth a read if you're in to history. It's not worth a read in the context of this pandemic.

Lime Tree Farm

Suckler wrote: »

It's worth a read if you're in to history. It's not worth a read in the context of this pandemic.

It's worth a read if you want to fall asleep, I found myself nodding off and it's only 9:15am in the morning - a cure for insomnia - maybe.

yosemitesam1

Suckler wrote: »

It's worth a read if you're in to history. It's not worth a read in the context of this pandemic.

We are only human. The same inherent flaws we carry that have caused problems in the past are still with us and from that context it is very relevant to how we think about our current situation. That is if we want to avoid cementing in place an authoritarian regime over the coming years, some people do seem to actually want it...

Dinzee Conlee

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

https://press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html


Well worth a read. A few too many similarities to where we currently find ourselves for my liking...

Jesus, really yosemite?

I enjoy your different views, dont always agree, but I think we need them. Everyone needs a bit of argument and questioning I think...

But comments like the one above make me take your views a little less serious to be honest, and I dont want that

yosemitesam1

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

Jesus, really yosemite?

I enjoy your different views, dont always agree, but I think we need them. Everyone needs a bit of argument and questioning I think...

But comments like the one above make me take your views a little less serious to be honest, and I dont want that

When do you think we will see 100% of our pre covid freedoms reinstated?
No doubt a large portion of the population gets by thinking I'll put up with it for a few more weeks.
But unless the logic that has us in the current situation is totally abandoned, then there is no clear way back to normality.

yosemitesam1

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

When do you think we will see 100% of our pre covid freedoms reinstated?
No doubt a large portion of the population gets by thinking I'll put up with it for a few more weeks.
But unless the logic that has us in the current situation is totally abandoned, then there is no clear way back to normality.

Whenever who wants a vaccine,has gotten at least 1,if not their second


I think,they will lose the public then tbh

yosemitesam1

Deleted User wrote: »

Whenever who wants a vaccine,has gotten at least 1,if not their second


I think,they will lose the public then tbh

But when we have the whole population walking around with antibodies that solely target the covid spike protein and start to see the results of massive selective pressure on it to generate new variants. What happens then?
Will the public listen as cases start to climb next autumn? Will they buy anything bar a further loosening of restrictions or will we be sold to just give it a few more weeks until new reformulated booster vaccines are available and we invariably find ourselves in the position we are in right now...

yosemitesam1

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

But when we have the whole population walking around with antibodies that solely target the covid spike protein and start to see the results of massive selective pressure on it to generate new variants. What happens then?
Will the public listen as cases start to climb next autumn? Will they buy anything bar a further loosening of restrictions or will we be sold to just give it a few more weeks until new reformulated booster vaccines are available and we invariably find ourselves in the position we are in right now...

Almost everyone of these varients so far,is beaten back with a booster shot of existing jabs (hence talk of a 3rd jab)


If people are vaccinated againest it,the potential for varients is hampered as fcuk,as it cant spread as quickly among a population already immune


Has there been a single case of someone,who has been vaccinated,actually catching a varient?

jaymla627

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

When do you think we will see 100% of our pre covid freedoms reinstated?
No doubt a large portion of the population gets by thinking I'll put up with it for a few more weeks.
But unless the logic that has us in the current situation is totally abandoned, then there is no clear way back to normality.

If pascal in the morning was told by the ecb, and bond markets that the money tap was been turned off the country would open back up again in the morning, once the Irish government can keep extending the overdraft god knows when normality will reassume.....
On a side-note the sheer level of mortgage/loan arrears for business that have been shutdown for the best part of a year, must be eye-watering

yosemitesam1

Deleted User wrote: »

Almost everyone of these varients so far,is beaten back with a booster shot of existing jabs (hence talk of a 3rd jab)


If people are vaccinated againest it,the potential for varients is hampered as fcuk,as it cant spread as quickly among a population already immune


Has there been a single case of someone,who has been vaccinated,actually catching a varient?

Give it a few months, there hasn't been much selection pressure on the spike as of yet with vaccinations still only getting going. But from the momemt a variant with significant difference in it's spike protein arises to it actually being detectable in a population will take several weeks to months. Virus circulation has already peaked and will natutally fall into summer but come autumn it will be different.
Everytime a change in the spike is targeted, all it will end up doing is encouraging even more diversity within the spike over time

Suckler

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

We are only human. The same inherent flaws we carry that have caused problems in the past are still with us and from that context it is very relevant to how we think about our current situation. That is if we want to avoid cementing in place an authoritarian regime over the coming years, some people do seem to actually want it...

It's a ridiculous analogy that cheapens and demeans actually suffering. To compare what we are experiencing to the holocaust is worthy of the conspiracy theories forum.

I'm no more a fan of lockdowns and restrictions than anyone. I'd healthily wager I personally have been more affected by many on here but insinuating that in a few years we'll be comparable to Nazi germany isn't on.

I've had to travel a lot more over the last year because of the pandemic, I'd accept the Irish approach over the vast majority of places I have been. The antics in the UK over the last few days are an indicator to what can/will happen when we rely on personal responsibility.

Shadow Dancer

Suckler wrote: »

It's a ridiculous analogy that cheapens and demeans actually suffering. To compare what we are experiencing to the holocaust is worthy of the conspiracy theories forum.

I'm no more a fan of lockdowns and restrictions than anyone. I'd healthily wager I personally have been more affected by many on here but insinuating that in a few years we'll be comparable to Nazi germany isn't on.

I've had to travel a lot more over the last year because of the pandemic, I'd accept the Irish approach over the vast majority of places I have been. The antics in the UK over the last few days are an indicator to what can/will happen when we rely on personal responsibility.

Look what's happening in Israel. Forcing people to have "vaccinations". These are approved for emergency use. Listening to MSM in Ireland you wouldn't think that. There is a conspiracy. An open one. Look at what Varadkar said about watching what happens in Israel.
Our government isn't trying to protect us. It is actively conspiring against us.
And now we have pharma companies trialling this muck in children. Innocent little children.
This is madness!
Too many people here listening to RTE and Newstalk and believing what they're being told

Dinzee Conlee

Shadow Dancer wrote: »

Look what's happening in Israel. Forcing people to have "vaccinations". These are approved for emergency use. Listening to MSM in Ireland you wouldn't think that. There is a conspiracy. An open one. Look at what Varadkar said about watching what happens in Israel.
Our government isn't trying to protect us. It is actively conspiring against us.
And now we have pharma companies trialling this muck in children. Innocent little children.
This is madness!
Too many people here listening to RTE and Newstalk and believing what they're being told

MSM?

trials on children?

links please...

yosemitesam1

Suckler wrote: »

It's a ridiculous analogy that cheapens and demeans actually suffering. To compare what we are experiencing to the holocaust is worthy of the conspiracy theories forum.

I'm no more a fan of lockdowns and restrictions than anyone. I'd healthily wager I personally have been more affected by many on here but insinuating that in a few years we'll be comparable to Nazi germany isn't on.

I've had to travel a lot more over the last year because of the pandemic, I'd accept the Irish approach over the vast majority of places I have been. The antics in the UK over the last few days are an indicator to what can/will happen when we rely on personal responsibility.

You missed the whole point. That article was about the human side of how an authoritarian regime came to be accepted by the public. Have a proper read and there are similarities to how we have come to accept this authoritarian setup we are currently in.

Shadow Dancer

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

MSM?

trials on children?

links please...

Mainstream media

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/25/health/coronavirus-children-vaccinations-pfizer.amp.html

Suckler

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

You missed the whole point. That article was about the human side of how an authoritarian regime came to be accepted by the public. Have a proper read and there are similarities to how we have come to accept this authoritarian setup we are currently in.

I haven't the point or your point. I've read it, I'm more than familiar with the history of it all; That document is beyond brief and missing a lot of other details that allowed the regime to be accepted by the public eventually. The fact you haven't picked up on that shows you don't understand the history of how it came about and how conflating the two is ridiculous. Again, it cheapens what happened.

Suckler

Shadow Dancer wrote: »

Look what's happening in Israel. Forcing people to have "vaccinations". These are approved for emergency use. Listening to MSM in Ireland you wouldn't think that. There is a conspiracy. An open one. Look at what Varadkar said about watching what happens in Israel.
Our government isn't trying to protect us. It is actively conspiring against us.
And now we have pharma companies trialling this muck in children. Innocent little children.
This is madness!
Too many people here listening to RTE and Newstalk and believing what they're being told

Simple minded theories like this delay getting back to normality.

Shadow Dancer

Suckler wrote: »

Simple minded theories like this delay getting back to normality.

We are never going back to normal my friend.
Peace to you and yours

Dinzee Conlee

Shadow Dancer wrote: »

Mainstream media

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/25/health/coronavirus-children-vaccinations-pfizer.amp.html

Is this unusual?

I dont know how vaccines for kids are trialled, but as we give various vaccines to kids - I assume there must be some sort of trials conducted somewhere for these vaccines?

Shadow Dancer

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

Is this unusual?

I dont know how vaccines for kids are trialled, but as we give various vaccines to kids - I assume there must be some sort of trials conducted somewhere for these vaccines?

Children aren't usually very much affected by Covid. Why risk their safety with a vaccination?

Dinzee Conlee

Shadow Dancer wrote: »

Children aren't usually very much affected by Covid. Why risk their safety with a vaccination?

Did I not read a while back that some kids can get very badly affected?

I dont know if it was kawasaki disease, but it was very similar?

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/covid-19-what-we-know-about-the-rare-child-illness-potentially-linked-to-coronavirus-1.4256439

Shadow Dancer

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

Did I not read a while back that some kids can get very badly affected?

I dont know if it was kawasaki disease, but it was very similar?

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/covid-19-what-we-know-about-the-rare-child-illness-potentially-linked-to-coronavirus-1.4256439

https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m2094

Water John

Most of the adults who want it will be vaccinated by the end of July. I presume, based on research and trials a decision will be made over the next few months, as to whether under 16 will be offered vaccination.

By what logic does anyone believe Irish politicians want to have restrictions one day longer than needed? Totally perverse.

greysides

greysides wrote: »

While there are several threads already running across Boards, this is a thread where we can discuss the disease and it's implications from our perspectives and biased towards how it affects us, the people who live in the country.
This is to be a fact and information thread with news and science, rather than a chit-chat thread. The intention being to educate and help each other.

Mod:

Some guidance:

Lest this thread become an extension of the Conspiracy forum I've copied and high lighted some of the OP.

A wide leeway has already been allowed but we will not be going down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole.

Healthy sceptism, counter-argument and disagreement, yes.

Conspiracy theories, no.

Neddyusa

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

When do you think we will see 100% of our pre covid freedoms reinstated?
No doubt a large portion of the population gets by thinking I'll put up with it for a few more weeks.
But unless the logic that has us in the current situation is totally abandoned, then there is no clear way back to normality.

Its absolutely astonishing that so many otherwise intelligent people still have not grasped this. (In bold)

arctictree

I see that on the 12th you can meet another household outside but not in your garden? What does that mean for farmers? Do we have to move the picnic bench into the field?!

Water John

arctictree wrote: »

I see that on the 12th you can meet another household outside but not in your garden? What does that mean for farmers? Do we have to move the picnic bench into the field?!

Tae in the bog, the glass bottle kept warm in a sock.
Just think if we were told 12 months ago during the first lockdown that we'd be nearly all immune in 3 months. That's how it's now.