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yosemitesam1

_Brian wrote:

The decision is to let one group die to favour another group who might choose to kill themselves, who possibly would find a reason to kill themselves anyway, it’s not like suicide just came along as a reaction to covid lockdowns.

_Brian wrote:

That’s terrible sad for you all.

Herself was saying there is an explosion of issues, they are seeing masses of eating disorders coming in.

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jaymla627

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

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Whatever way the wind is blowing....

Dinzee Conlee

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

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jaymla627 wrote: »

Whatever way the wind is blowing....

Ah FFS sake lads, is it all about points scoring and one-upmanship with ye?

yosemitesam1

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

Ah FFS sake lads, is it all about points scoring and one-upmanship with ye?

Tbh I would have thought it was brian that was point scoring...
I've been pretty consistent all along in my opinions that our response to covid wasn't right, never really seemed to go down well here, if you wanted to win the popularity contest on here you whinge about young people, look for tighter restrictions etc etc. But that sh1t deserves to be called out

carrollsno1

Clearing storage space on the phone this afternoon ans i came across this picture i was sent over two years ago when i was in Oz.

Water John

The Mail on Line would hardly count as a reputable source.

_Brian

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Tbh I would have thought it was brian that was point scoring...
I've been pretty consistent all along in my opinions that our response to covid wasn't right, never really seemed to go down well here, if you wanted to win the popularity contest on here you whinge about young people, look for tighter restrictions etc etc. But that sh1t deserves to be called out

I had to unblock you to see what the reference to me was.
Yea, you must have been so delighted to hear of that poor chap rip so you could dig up some old posts to make yourself soooo right yet again.
Just reminds me why I blocked your posts in the first place. Back on mute now because really I couldn’t be arsed.

dzer2

Just back on

Thanks for the replies

This is not a pissing contest it's fair serious

Gearing up for a tough day ahead
We need a road out of this situation

One that everyone can follow

I have been as sceptical as anyone since this started but Jesus there is people really suffering at the moment.
Couldn't get over the chap's mother today there's nothing to say that could help her.
Came home and gathered the family for a hug.

Really heart broken

carrollsno1

Water John wrote: »

The Mail on Line would hardly count as a reputable source.

Similar article was quoted from The Independent in relation to the impending flu crisis which was dated January 2019 but im open to correction on this.

whelan2

dzer2 wrote: »

Just back on

Thanks for the replies

This is not a pissing contest it's fair serious

Gearing up for a tough day ahead
We need a road out of this situation

One that everyone can follow

I have been as sceptical as anyone since this started but Jesus there is people really suffering at the moment.
Couldn't get over the chap's mother today there's nothing to say that could help her.
Came home and gathered the family for a hug.

Really heart broken

A young lad with his whole life ahead of him. God love his family and friends. This last 15 months has been very hard especially on young people who should be off living their dream

wrangler

whelan2 wrote: »

A young lad with his whole life ahead of him. God love his family and friends. This last 15 months has been very hard especially on young people who should be off living their dream

Don't know if there's a need to be that dramatic, I saw young people in the sixties going to work in bad conditions in England, working in tunnels and construction, and then in the eighties meeting young people on the ferries having to go to England for work as well and then there was the wars .
Youth never had it so good, it's hard to understand. I don't think it's right to be talking it down..... feeding the frenzy as it were
. I've two friends who are brothers, one guys son commited suicide and the others guys son attempted it with life changing injuries, both were living the dream, yet it wasn't enough.
It's been tough enough on us all but is this generation being reared with unreasonable expectations. There's something different now and it's definitely not all due to hardship

yosemitesam1

wrangler wrote: »

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Don't know if there's a need to be that dramatic, I saw young people in the sixties going to work in bad conditions in England, working in tunnels and construction, and then in the eighties meeting young people on the ferries having to go to England for work as well and then there was the wars .
Youth never had it so good, it's hard to understand. I don't think it's right to be talking it down..... feeding the frenzy as it were
. I've two friends who are brothers, one guys son commited suicide and the others guys son attempted it with life changing injuries, both were living the dream, yet it wasn't enough.
It's been tough enough on us all but is this generation being reared with unreasonable expectations. There's something different now and it's definitely not all due to hardship

There is an awful big difference being reared in tough times with social contact vs the last 18 months. Most of the coping mechanisms people use have been taken away from them. Whether that's meeting friends/family, sport or anything else.
This doesn't seem to be understood by those who are 40+ married and settled in their lives. Lockdown made very little difference to them but it made a massive difference to other sections of the population

whelan2

First year in college is when most kids get to live a little. The first years of the last year had minimal contact with their classmates , most not knowing anyone on their course after a full year. As said there no pub, sports club, gym etc to go to to blow off steam.

_Brian

whelan2 wrote: »

First year in college is when most kids get to live a little. The first years of the last year had minimal contact with their classmates , most not knowing anyone on their course after a full year. As said there no pub, sports club, gym etc to go to to blow off steam.

There was some serious messing by colleges.
Friends daughter was going to sligo to do home economics teaching. The colleges collected the accommodation fees. Then made contact the following day to say college was off campus remote learning and refused to return the money collected the previous day. Over €6k, last I’d heard solicitors were involved but no money returned. This family had just gone through serious financial trouble from pooor farming decisions amd both parents had taken up manual jobs in factories to make ends meet with the land leased out.

I see this year a rule has been brought in that they cannot collect any more than 2 months accommodation at a time.

wrangler

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

There is an awful big difference being reared in tough times with social contact vs the last 18 months. Most of the coping mechanisms people use have been taken away from them. Whether that's meeting friends/family, sport or anything else.
This doesn't seem to be understood by those who are 40+ married and settled in their lives. Lockdown made very little difference to them but it made a massive difference to other sections of the population

If this is the worst upheaval that young people meet in their lives they will have a very easy life

yosemitesam1

wrangler wrote: »

If this is the worst upheaval that young people meet in their lives they will have a very easy life

No other generation in history has experienced anything like this. It's not so.ething that should be just brushed aside so easily

dh1985

wrangler wrote: »

If this is the worst upheaval that young people meet in their lives they will have a very easy life

Lads in the 60's didnt know any better that diggin tunnels etc. There has never been as much pressure on young people to make the right decisions with there lives to have some form.of comfort. The costs of housing and living in general has never been as high with substantial pressure been incurred to succeed in high stress jobs just to make a living. Other pressures from ypunger adults from social media as what is perceived as been acceptable/normal etc. To be honest things were probably alot more simple in the past. Sure a small farm would feed a family. Some see it as a burden these days as they can feel tied to it. The upheaval from the pandemic is only adding to this anxiety etc. Young people have given up 18 months of their best years of there lives at the request to keep older and more vulnerable people safe. The majority of young people put there lives on hold: sport, education, holidays, socialising.
How much did your own life change in the past 18 months?

wrangler

dh1985 wrote: »

Lads in the 60's didnt know any better that diggin tunnels etc. There has never been as much pressure on young people to make the right decisions with there lives to have some form.of comfort. The costs of housing and living in general has never been as high with substantial pressure been incurred to succeed in high stress jobs just to make a living. Other pressures from ypunger adults from social media as what is perceived as been acceptable/normal etc. To be honest things were probably alot more simple in the past. Sure a small farm would feed a family. Some see it as a burden these days as they can feel tied to it. The upheaval from the pandemic is only adding to this anxiety etc. Young people have given up 18 months of their best years of there lives at the request to keep older and more vulnerable people safe. The majority of young people put there lives on hold: sport, education, holidays, socialising.
How much did your own life change in the past 18 months?

I was out of the country three times in 2019 , I'm 69 now, every year is precious in that I'll be less able to do things year on year. To waste it staying at home is a bollicks but You just man up and get on with it, it's what makes you what you are.
If you had sickness in your family you'd see what anxiety is and what a real upheaval in life is. Lockdowns were done for the whole population, plenty of young people working in hospitals would have been destroyed but for the lockdowns.
Plenty sick young people would have been destroyed but for the lockdown, so don't tell me they did it for the oldies, but also don't kid yourself that there was ever a proper lockdown ,

Nekarsulm

dh1985 wrote: »

The majority of young people put there lives on hold: sport, education, holidays, socialising.
How much did your own life change in the past 18 months?

Me, hardly any change at all.
No meeting the daughter after school, and nipping in for a carvery lunch, nip into lidl instead and cook the steak at home...

Depending where you lived in Western Europe, this would be small beer.
Occupied Europe during WW2 would have been stressful too...
Any medium sized city in the UK at the same time period would have been no picnic either...

_Brian

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Me, hardly any change at all.
No meeting the daughter after school, and nipping in for a carvery lunch, nip into lidl instead and cook the steak at home...

Depending where you lived in Western Europe, this would be small beer.
Occupied Europe during WW2 would have been stressful too...
Any medium sized city in the UK at the same time period would have been no picnic either...

There’s also more information, school talks and support both virtual, by phone and in person fir people on trouble.

It’s been unique surely but it’s not like we had a choice in this, covid and the necessary controls were forced on society and bar closing a bit sooner and some tweaks around the edges there’s not much different could have been done.

Yea you’ll get the fringe tin foil hat brigade coming along within heir blah blah blah, but it’s all rubbish really, we’ve an elected government who followed scientific advice when deciding on the path we took. It was controlled and many lives were saved as a result. We will be dealing with the fallout surely, but it’s not like 40 years ago when there was nothing there regarding support.

yosemitesam1

https://www.thejournal.ie/delta-plus-variant-detected-india-5474681-Jun2021/

They really need to halt the use of antibody therapy if the incidence of these new variants are to be reduced.
Essentially what they are doing is using hospitilised people as petri dishes giving covid an extended amount of time to come up with an improvement against an antibody targeting only a very specific area of the virus.
Letting an infection run it's course naturally will not select for these mutations in anywhere near the same frequency as by using antibody therapy

carrollsno1

wrangler wrote: »

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Don't know if there's a need to be that dramatic, I saw young people in the sixties going to work in bad conditions in England, working in tunnels and construction, and then in the eighties meeting young people on the ferries having to go to England for work as well and then there was the wars .
Youth never had it so good, it's hard to understand. I don't think it's right to be talking it down..... feeding the frenzy as it were
. I've two friends who are brothers, one guys son commited suicide and the others guys son attempted it with life changing injuries, both were living the dream, yet it wasn't enough.
It's been tough enough on us all but is this generation being reared with unreasonable expectations. There's something different now and it's definitely not all due to hardship

I took to the bed in January for two weekends as i had simply nothing to get out of bed for. Due to lockdown all i had was the job from Monday to Friday from 730am-1730pm outside that i had nothing. Any young people i knew around here were happy to live in isolation as they were so narrow minded to see beyond what guidelines were being put out each week. The only way out of it was to go milk cows at the weekends at least youd have a reason to get out of bed if nothing else and as it happens the farmer i was doing it for had a breakdown because he was just so f#cked up of all work and no play since this all started. But i suppose were both snowflakes even though im the good side of thirty and hes the good side of fifty.
If there is another lockdown this winter i dont know what ill do but i cant see the general population taking it as serious if there is one.

Water John

Carroll, yes the isolation has hit many. I know of one who's hospitalised and may not really recover to any major degree.
Anyone who its stressing will need to develop a plan or suite of options for themselves. For people that like outdoors, go walking or treking. There are 100's of trails to follow. Orienteering if have a more competitive streak. One could also take up running, a bonus is it's good for mental health. Reading, is a very accessible past time. Important to pick the areas that interest you. Physical books or Kindle.
Important to see the signals in oneself of being on the slide and take action. The mind needs a rest from the mundane work.

We are a very sociable people, but indoors in a pub is not the only option.

yosemitesam1

carrollsno1 wrote: »

If there is another lockdown this winter i dont know what ill do but i cant see the general population taking it as serious if there is one.

If there's another lockdown this winter a lot of lads will be fcuking off for good I'd say

Water John

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

If there's another lockdown this winter a lot of lads will be fcuking off for good I'd say

We'll have one of the highest vaccine rates in the world. Wouldn't make much sense going elsewhere. Lockdown by and large is over here. Might slow up opening the pubs a bit to give the vaccine rollout more of a head start, considering the increase in ventilations in the UK.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/23/sharp-rise-in-uk-covid-cases-casts-doubt-on-more-lockdown-easing-before-19-july

But that will be, just a blip.

Water John

Water John wrote: »

We'll have one of the highest vaccine rates in the world. Wouldn't make much sense going elsewhere. Lockdown by and large is over here. Might slow up opening the pubs a bit to give the vaccine rollout more of a head start, considering the increase in ventilations in the UK.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/23/sharp-rise-in-uk-covid-cases-casts-doubt-on-more-lockdown-easing-before-19-july

But that will be, just a blip.

heard rumour in work,theres talks of pubs opening a week on and week off closed again until september

Or only opening weekdays to begin with

_Brian

I think the folk that faired best had already non work (including non farming) pastimes already on the go, pastimes that were independent to travel and the pub. Walking, reading, cycling, baking, painting, learning a skill, it doesn’t matter what it is.

Now would be a good time to assess your life and make sure you have something you love to do other than work or farming.

It’s hard to call future lockdowns, the delta virus is of concern, and now there’s a delta plus as well. We definitely need to push ahead with vaccines and we need good uptakes from all age groups.

There’ll be no use people being idiots and not taking the vaccines but then crying about lockdowns if we can’t contain a new variant down the line, even with vaccines we may struggle.

yosemitesam1

_Brian wrote: »

I think the folk that faired best had already non work (including non farming) pastimes already on the go, pastimes that were independent to travel and the pub. Walking, reading, cycling, baking, painting, learning a skill, it doesn’t matter what it is.

Now would be a good time to assess your life and make sure you have something you love to do other than work or farming.

It’s hard to call future lockdowns, the delta virus is of concern, and now there’s a delta plus as well. We definitely need to push ahead with vaccines and we need good uptakes from all age groups.

There’ll be no use people being idiots and not taking the vaccines but then crying about lockdowns if we can’t contain a new variant down the line, even with vaccines we may struggle.

Let them eat banana bread....

Some people were wired to cope better than others in lockdown. No matter how much pastimes some would have practised, it would have made little to no difference.
People also change as they get older to require less social contact and more interest in staying in and doing the same things they always do.


Vaccines won't do anything to prevent new variants, if anything they will select for new variants.

Nekarsulm

_Brian wrote: »

I think the folk that faired best had already non work (including non farming) pastimes already on the go, pastimes that were independent to travel and the pub. Walking, reading, cycling, baking, painting, learning a skill, it doesn’t matter what it is.

Now would be a good time to assess your life and make sure you have something you love to do other than work or farming.

It’s hard to call future lockdowns, the delta virus is of concern, and now there’s a delta plus as well. We definitely need to push ahead with vaccines and we need good uptakes from all age groups.

There’ll be no use people being idiots and not taking the vaccines but then crying about lockdowns if we can’t contain a new variant down the line, even with vaccines we may struggle.

Problem was/is that most peoples pastimes were the very things banned.
Local lad committed suicide a few weeks ago.
Everything he loved doing was banned.
Big into the social dancing, would have travelled to the other end of Ireland for it, and often did.
Into the gym as well, and while he seldom drank he loved the craic of being out with friends.
All that was taken away, and left with just the job.
Had planned to marry, but that was on hold too.
Despite there being a glimmer of hope of normality returning, he couldn't see it.

The lad who enjoyed a bit of farming after work was luckier than most.

mahoney_j

Sick to the ****e of this whole COVID thing now supported the govt up to now but way too cautious now and too many mixed messages ,Leo practically said COVID was done last week ,no issue with indoor dining reopening now there fluffing and farting and making total mugs of restaurant and pub owners
Cases are way down ,nos in hospital and icu way down and at manageable levels ,vulnerable groups vaccinated and great strides made with general population when the vaccine supply eventually started to flow they got the jabs into arms .enough is enough now we need to forge ahead with next stage of opening up ,its delta variant now ,there will be another soon enough and another and another …..we will have to live with this for years
There’s going to be 60 k in Wembley next week and big crowds in stadiums right across Europe yet we are still tip toeing around