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Dinzee Conlee

paddysdream wrote: »

If you think things are almost back to normal then I wonder what you consider normal ?
No attendance at matches ,no pubs open for normal service ,restricted numbers at weddings/funerals ,wearing a mask everytime you go into a shop ,no indoor dining ,fill out covid app for kids training ,everywhere you go for medical type stuff its 20 questions ,talk of masks for kids again in school next term ,swimming pool numbers limited ,no indoor classes,meetings etc allowed .

Maybe waiting a bit longer is like covid ie it won't kill you .

I think regardless of opening up all the items you mention above (indoor dining, matches, weddings, etc) - masks are here to stay for a long while are they not?

Its not like we open in July (whenever) and then masks are gone the week later...

I don't see the issue with masks. Obviously not a runner in pubs or restaurants, but in shops or just out and about I would think it makes sense to keep wearing them no?

Water John

No problem socialising within the rules. Will feel quite a bit freer to do so once fully vaccinated. I am also aware that I still can possibly get a nasty dose of the virus even when fully vaccinated, similar to Andrew Marr or that I could be a transmitter.
Yes, have missed two family weddings and a family funeral in recent months but that doesn't come under my definition of hardship.

yosemitesam1

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

I think regardless of opening up all the items you mention above (indoor dining, matches, weddings, etc) - masks are here to stay for a long while are they not?

Its not like we open in July (whenever) and then masks are gone the week later...

I don't see the issue with masks. Obviously not a runner in pubs or restaurants, but in shops or just out and about I would think it makes sense to keep wearing them no?

America is flying it without masks and pretty much no restrictions in most states. Plenty of examples in Europe who have less vaccines given out and looser restrictions.
But yet we need every last restriction or the whole thing will unravel...
Either they're secretly piling up the bodies in the US and europe or else we're not being told the truth here...

emaherx

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

But yet we need every last restriction or the whole thing will unravel...
Either they're secretly piling up the bodies in the US and europe or else we're not being told the truth here...

There is a conspiracy theories forum.

yosemitesam1

emaherx wrote: »

There is a conspiracy theories forum.

Why doesnt covid work the same way here as in other countries is the question. It's the same virus, so why do other countries get away so much lighter?

emaherx

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Why doesnt covid work the same way here as in other countries is the question. It's the same virus, so why do other countries get away so much lighter?

You've headed into silly territory at this stage....

Every country has taken a different approach to covid and it's fine to discuss the differences and argue which have handled it better. But suggestions of the government having an agenda against it's people which is "unraveling" is definitely conspiracy theory territory. Why would any government want to be in the current situation?

wrangler

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Why doesnt covid work the same way here as in other countries is the question. It's the same virus, so why do other countries get away so much lighter?

The public have shown they can't be trusted over and over again, I supppose.
While I'm disappointed , I'm not surprised. Can't blame nephet really.
It's tough on the hospitality industry, but for the rest of us it's no hardship

yosemitesam1

emaherx wrote: »

You've headed into silly territory at this stage....

Every country has taken a different approach to covid and it's fine to discuss the differences and argue which have handled it better. But suggestions of the government having an agenda against it's people which is "unraveling" is definitely conspiracy theory territory. Why would any government want to be in the current situation?

The "truth" i was thinking of was thats nphets models are totally inaccurate and do not deserve our trust

wrangler

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

The "truth" i was thinking of was thats nphets models are totally inaccurate and do not deserve our trust

The Government went against nephet advice at christmas....... need I say more

paddysdream

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

I think regardless of opening up all the items you mention above (indoor dining, matches, weddings, etc) - masks are here to stay for a long while are they not?

Its not like we open in July (whenever) and then masks are gone the week later...

I don't see the issue with masks. Obviously not a runner in pubs or restaurants, but in shops or just out and about I would think it makes sense to keep wearing them no?

Would imagine the minute the mandatory requirement is gone re. mask wearing you will see them disappear apart from a few weirdo's .
Think about it .Just in here for a mug of coffee on the way to another place to stack bales .Got the dinner in the last spot ,no masks or any of that stuff with 5 of us there .
Still had to put on the disposable mask hanging in the tractor for the last month when going into the shop for a few smokes.
Can't imagine a disposable paper mask covered in dust and oil will do a lot for me or whoever was in the shop but there you are .

paddysdream

wrangler wrote: »

The Government went against nephet advice at christmas....... need I say more

That's very Old Testament .
The selfish populace disobeyed the all seeing God and were smitten down with fire and brimstone .
Fatted Calf ,Sodom and Gomorrah ,Plagues of Egypt ?

paddysdream

Water John wrote: »

No problem socialising within the rules. Will feel quite a bit freer to do so once fully vaccinated. I am also aware that I still can possibly get a nasty dose of the virus even when fully vaccinated, similar to Andrew Marr or that I could be a transmitter.
Yes, have missed two family weddings and a family funeral in recent months but that doesn't come under my definition of hardship.

If I actually wrote my honest opinion of this I would most likely be banned .

Suffice to say its different strokes for different folks .Couldn't imagine missing either a wedding or funeral on account of covid ,vaccinated or not .

Morris Moss

wrangler wrote: »

The Government went against nephet advice at christmas....... need I say more

We're in the middle of summer and almost half the population is vaccinated, if they can't open now they won't open in 3 weeks.

green daries

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

The "truth" i was thinking of was thats nphets models are totally inaccurate and do not deserve our trust

That could well be the case...
But sure do up a few there for us

mahoney_j

wrangler wrote: »

The Government went against nephet advice at christmas....... need I say more

No vacines at Christmas tho …..lots of far fetched stuff online ….the govt are totally blindsided with fear over what happend then tho too much so IMO

_Brian

Morris Moss wrote: »

We're in the middle of summer and almost half the population is vaccinated, if they can't open now they won't open in 3 weeks.

At the rate of vaccination three weeks will further cover a huge number of people and allow those already completed to develop their protection completly.

Don’t get me wrong, I think maybe we should be opening indoor dining now, but there’s no sense pretending three weeks makes no difference. Every week is a significant step forward in coverage for the population.

_Brian

mahoney_j wrote: »

No vacines at Christmas tho …..lots of far fetched stuff online ….the govt are totally blindsided with fear over what happend then tho too much so IMO

In some ways I understand the fear.

They fcuked up at Christmas amd it was a mess.

When your tasked with making decisions that affect the health of a whole nation it’s super important to make the right decisions. As non qualified individuals the obvious thing is listen to the professionals who are there to advise on such scientific matters.

Lads ramble on about “open the country up” amd such rubbish, shows they don’t understand what it’s like to be making decisions that have serious implications. Any sane person takes professional advice and acts cautiously.

Morris Moss

_Brian wrote: »

At the rate of vaccination three weeks will further cover a huge number of people and allow those already completed to develop their protection completly.

Don’t get me wrong, I think maybe we should be opening indoor dining now, but there’s no sense pretending three weeks makes no difference. Every week is a significant step forward in coverage for the population.

Most vulnerable and elderly are done at this stage, the risk to people under 60 is negligible, it's about time they opened things up.

Morris Moss

_Brian wrote: »

In some ways I understand the fear.

They fcuked up at Christmas amd it was a mess.

When your tasked with making decisions that affect the health of a whole nation it’s super important to make the right decisions. As non qualified individuals the obvious thing is listen to the professionals who are there to advise on such scientific matters.

Lads ramble on about “open the country up” amd such rubbish, shows they don’t understand what it’s like to be making decisions that have serious implications. Any sane person takes professional advice and acts cautiously.

Nphet are some sort of higher power Brian, they aren't beyond questioning, and some of the stuff they've come out with is absolutely ridiculous, over 2000 dead by the end of September?

wrangler

mahoney_j wrote: »

No vacines at Christmas tho …..lots of far fetched stuff online ….the govt are totally blindsided with fear over what happend then tho too much so IMO

Is it not a bit of a joke that so many unqualified people are criticising them, the fact is that Nephet took everything into consideration and told them to closedown.
Similarily they've considered everything now too and advised it unsafe

carrollsno1

wrangler wrote: »

The Government went against nephet advice at christmas....... need I say more

They had the border left wide open while we were supposed to be in some level of a lockdown, The UK Variant came on the scene then at the same time not from the hospitality sector but believe it or believe it not the UK of all places. Same can be said for the Brazillian Variant and The Indian Variant ive yet to hear of an Irish Variant. You cant blame the hospitality secror or the Irish public for what happened at Christmas while the door was left wide open for anyine to waltz right in.

Neddyusa

Morris Moss wrote: »

Nphet are some sort of higher power Brian, they aren't beyond questioning, and some of the stuff they've come out with is absolutely ridiculous, over 2000 dead by the end of September?

I cannot think of a less trustworthy or reliable group of people to manage anything - even a children's picnic - than a bunch of HSE bureaucrats.

And yet they are effectively running this country without fear of question for the last 16 months.
Led by a man who tried to hide the cervical check scandal.

wrangler

carrollsno1 wrote: »

They had the border left wide open while we were supposed to be in some level of a lockdown, The UK Variant came on the scene then at the same time not from the hospitality sector but believe it or believe it not the UK of all places. Same can be said for the Brazillian Variant and The Indian Variant ive yet to hear of an Irish Variant. You cant blame the hospitality secror or the Irish public for what happened at Christmas while the door was left wide open for anyine to waltz right in.

And as I said the public can't be trusted

Neddyusa

wrangler wrote: »

And as I said the public sector bureaucrats can't be trusted

FYP

wrangler

Neddyusa wrote: »

FYP

Them too

carrollsno1

wrangler wrote: »

And as I said the public can't be trusted

You cant compare international travel and heading less than 10km for a few drinks its chalk and cheese really.

yosemitesam1

_Brian wrote: »

In some ways I understand the fear.

They fcuked up at Christmas amd it was a mess.

When your tasked with making decisions that affect the health of a whole nation it’s super important to make the right decisions. As non qualified individuals the obvious thing is listen to the professionals who are there to advise on such scientific matters.

Lads ramble on about “open the country up” amd such rubbish, shows they don’t understand what it’s like to be making decisions that have serious implications. Any sane person takes professional advice and acts cautiously.

What happened at christmas is much more complicated than nphet being right and government wrong and an explosion of cases as a result.
We should never have had such a strict lockdown from October to December. But nphet overestimated the contribution of hospitality to infections and underestimated the contribution of schools and seasonality.
They were consistently wrong in their modelling and covid never behaved how it was supposed to according to their model.
Then as we went into december actual infections were already rising since before restrictions were eased.
Nphet holds too much confidence in testing to track infections in real time and thus we were waiting 2 weeks before the testing started to get going detecting increase.
At that stage it was too late, schools had ensured a wide section of society was already seeded with covid and it being mid winter, all that was needed was time.
People had to do something to breakup what would otherwise have been an extremely long period in lockdown. Had things been less strict going into December this would not have been as much of an issue for people.
But nphets arrogance that they could stop the tide of cases that winter would bring meant it was never even that a flatter curve would be achieved with less not more restrictions on people.

The sharp rise in cases was pretty much caused by us being in a very unstable position at the highest risk period of the year for any respiratory disease.
But one of nphets issues is that they've no real experts on this type of disease and its movement through a population. Their understanding of disease is too two dimensional and black or white to have any appreciation for how uncontrollable factors are key to having realistic predictions of disease.

Much easier to blame the public though....

carrollsno1

paddysdream wrote: »

Would imagine the minute the mandatory requirement is gone re. mask wearing you will see them disappear apart from a few weirdo's .
Think about it .Just in here for a mug of coffee on the way to another place to stack bales .Got the dinner in the last spot ,no masks or any of that stuff with 5 of us there .
Still had to put on the disposable mask hanging in the tractor for the last month when going into the shop for a few smokes.
Can't imagine a disposable paper mask covered in dust and oil will do a lot for me or whoever was in the shop but there you are .

In the gym this evenung, mask on in lobby and until i head to the changing room then mask off and in for tor hours with middling ventilation at best finish up have a shower and throw the mask on for walking downstairs and into the lobby where i didnt pass one other person on the way out.

_Brian

Neddyusa wrote: »

I cannot think of a less trustworthy or reliable group of people to manage anything - even a children's picnic - than a bunch of HSE bureaucrats.

And yet they are effectively running this country without fear of question for the last 16 months.
Led by a man who tried to hide the cervical check scandal.

That’s not correct about the cervical check issue, amd an independent review clarified. Yet that doesn’t stop people rolling it out as a “fact” when it’s a lie.

wrangler

carrollsno1 wrote: »

In the gym this evenung, mask on in lobby and until i head to the changing room then mask off and in for tor hours with middling ventilation at best finish up have a shower and throw the mask on for walking downstairs and into the lobby where i didnt pass one other person on the way out.

The Lleyn open day neither had masks or distancing, had the delta variant been there it would've had a free run