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Not wearing masks to protect against coronavirus is a ‘big mistake,’ top Chinese scientist says

Water John

The patient's best interest would be the only criterion for decision on medical intervention. The problem that may be coming is that the decision will revolve around the limited access of the equipment.

_Brian

Deleted User wrote: »

Would they for pneumonia though??

Often not, often in the 80’s it’s just not done, many just would have DNR agreements from the family.

I kinda never thought of it until herself was saying it.

Often people in their 80’’s with DNR’s wouldn’t even come into hospital if they had pneumonia. If they were in a nursing home for example they would be made comfortable there. It would depend on overall health though. But typically those in nursing homes are already unwell and that’s why they are there if that makes sense.

These are the people who might die from flu in an ordinary year anyway.

whelan2

I think the big point to get across is dont get sick at the moment

BENDYBINN

whelan2 wrote: »

I think the big point to get across is dont get sick at the moment

Don’t even get a toothache!

Reggie.

whelan2 wrote: »

Daughter got a letter from the local shop were she works in case she's stopped on the way to work. It's 500m up the road, chances of being stopped would be fairly slim

The small one at the cross

Buford T. Justice XIX

A list of essential workers from the Government.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/dfeb8f-list-of-essential-service-providers-under-new-public-health-guidelin/

whelan2

52000 new cases in new York today :eek:

emaherx

whelan2 wrote: »

52000 new cases in new York today :eek:

52,000 cases total confirmed to date.

Injuryprone

What's the current status of farmers that are over 70? What will happen when they are stopped on the road going to an outfarm or collecting a few supplies?

Injuryprone

Injuryprone wrote: »

What's the current status of farmers that are over 70? What will happen when they are stopped on the road going to an outfarm or collecting a few supplies?

Your allowed out for farm purposes

Though 2 ould lads in lane from me,are staying in as much as possible,seen 1 niece in feeding calves for one....i looked at a cow calving for the other (both are outside farms,so noone living there)

alps

Injuryprone wrote: »

What's the current status of farmers that are over 70? What will happen when they are stopped on the road going to an outfarm or collecting a few supplies?

The over 70's really really need to stay isolated....its a responsibility of society, their families and neighbours to stand up to the plate and cover for them...whatever about an outfarm...ffs don't let any over 70 neighbour of your go for supplies..

_Brian

Third world countries are going to be decimated by this.

Looking at photos from Mumbai yesterday and it’s just shoulder to shoulder stuff still.

Read an article about a township in SA amd locals are just ignoring the rules. The journalist asked one guy why he was sitting in the street drinking beer, he said he was better there because he lives in just one room with five other adults !

Then there’s USA, the richest third world country in the world. They are just a basket case. I think trump wants to open everything and just burn through the infection in a really short time, accept the collateral damage in deaths and then get the economy back on track so he has something to crow about at election time.

jaymla627

_Brian wrote: »

Third world countries are going to be decimated by this.

Looking at photos from Mumbai yesterday and it’s just shoulder to shoulder stuff still.

Read an article about a township in SA amd locals are just ignoring the rules. The journalist asked one guy why he was sitting in the street drinking beer, he said he was better there because he lives in just one room with five other adults !

Then there’s USA, the richest third world country in the world. They are just a basket case. I think trump wants to open everything and just burn through the infection in a really short time, accept the collateral damage in deaths and then get the economy back on track so he has something to crow about at election time.

I don’t think it will affect 3rd world countries as bad re death rates then 1st world countries, overweight and obese people account for over 60% of people that need icu treatment due to coronavirus not a problem in the likes of Ethiopia our South Africa, population age is much lower to.....
Modern health care systems in first world countries ability to keep older people alive with serious underlying health issues for years combined with a huge % of populations been overweight and obese is
presenting the perfect breeding ground for the virus and it’s severity on counties like Italy and Spain

Mooooo

_Brian wrote: »

Third world countries are going to be decimated by this.

Looking at photos from Mumbai yesterday and it’s just shoulder to shoulder stuff still.

Read an article about a township in SA amd locals are just ignoring the rules. The journalist asked one guy why he was sitting in the street drinking beer, he said he was better there because he lives in just one room with five other adults !

Then there’s USA, the richest third world country in the world. They are just a basket case. I think trump wants to open everything and just burn through the infection in a really short time, accept the collateral damage in deaths and then get the economy back on track so he has something to crow about at election time.

It may be a case in some third world countries those with underlying issues may be gone anyway as healthcare is poor so deaths from covid 19 may not be a massive increase or perhaps effect those in higher classes more. Hard to know really.

_Brian

jaymla627 wrote: »

I don’t think it will affect 3rd world countries as bad re death rates then 1st world countries, overweight and obese people account for over 60% of people that need icu treatment due to coronavirus not a problem in the likes of Ethiopia our South Africa, population age is much lower to.....
Modern health care systems in first world countries ability to keep older people alive with serious underlying health issues for years combined with a huge % of populations been overweight and obese is
presenting the perfect breeding ground for the virus and it’s severity on counties like Italy and Spain

Agree on the obeasity point.
But a much higher number of malnourished and so immune compromised people.
Close living and poor adherence to isolation will have a tsunami of critical patients which will result in desperate death rates.

yosemitesam1

_Brian wrote: »

Third world countries are going to be decimated by this.

Looking at photos from Mumbai yesterday and it’s just shoulder to shoulder stuff still.

Read an article about a township in SA amd locals are just ignoring the rules. The journalist asked one guy why he was sitting in the street drinking beer, he said he was better there because he lives in just one room with five other adults !

Then there’s USA, the richest third world country in the world. They are just a basket case. I think trump wants to open everything and just burn through the infection in a really short time, accept the collateral damage in deaths and then get the economy back on track so he has something to crow about at election time.

Trump could be right, there's no proof that the who is right. All the testing is focused on the most serious cases

_Brian

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Trump could be right, there's no proof that the who is right. All the testing is focused on the most serious cases

Letting thousands die to protect the economy?
Do you seriously think that could be the right approach?

Surely No sane person seriously thinks like that.

yosemitesam1

_Brian wrote: »

Letting thousands die to protect the economy?
Do you seriously think that could be the right approach?

Surely No sane person seriously thinks like that.

There is no solid proof that the virus is as deadly as made out to be across the population. At this point in time no efforts have been made to survey the percentage of the population that have already contracted the virus with little to know symptoms.
The testing is unreliable and deaths reported are deaths with coronavirus. Until we get antibody sampling across the population, there remains a significant potential for this reaction to have been the biggest fcukup in history

emaherx

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

There is no solid proof that the virus is as deadly as made out to be across the population. At this point in time no efforts have been made to survey the percentage of the population that have already contracted the virus with little to know symptoms.
The testing is unreliable and deaths reported are deaths with coronavirus. Until we get antibody sampling across the population, there remains a significant potential for this reaction to have been the biggest fcukup in history

Proof?
Have you seen the news?
Italy?
Spain?
Death toll rising here?
Overwhelmed health services worldwide?

jaymla627

emaherx wrote: »

Proof?
Have you seen the news?
Italy?
Spain?
Death toll rising here?
Overwhelmed health services worldwide?

Re health services their was never any extra capacity in the system to deal with an event like this, the mass hysteria of social media ramps it up too with politicians and senior civil servants terrified to act decisively and quickly enough to of put in place travel bans months ago and locked down borders like what was needed.....
If this virus had originated in Africa and was largely confined to their with a similar death toll and infection rate as of today 1st world governments and their populations wouldn’t be batting a eyelid, but now it’s on our doorstep and effecting us it’s a doomsday scenario.....
The likes of dengue fever/malaria and tb kill in the millions yearly without fail but as it’s largely a third world problem the 1st world carries on as normal

_Brian

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

There is no solid proof that the virus is as deadly as made out to be across the population. At this point in time no efforts have been made to survey the percentage of the population that have already contracted the virus with little to know symptoms.
The testing is unreliable and deaths reported are deaths with coronavirus. Until we get antibody sampling across the population, there remains a significant potential for this reaction to have been the biggest fcukup in history

Ok.
This doesn’t really merit a reply.

It’s people minimising and talking down the effect that undo all the good work being done by everyone else.

emaherx

jaymla627 wrote: »

Re health services their was never any extra capacity in the system to deal with an event like this, the mass hysteria of social media ramps it up too with politicians and senior civil servants terrified to act decisively and quickly enough to of put in place travel bans months ago and locked down borders like what was needed.....
If this virus had originated in Africa and was largely confined to their with a similar death toll and infection rate as of today 1st world governments and their populations wouldn’t be batting a eyelid, but now it’s on our doorstep and effecting us it’s a doomsday scenario.....
The likes of dengue fever/malaria and tb kill in the millions yearly without fail but as it’s largely a third world problem the 1st world carries on as normal

Not sure what your point is here?
But mass hysteria fueled by social media, what a load of BS. It's a very really issue that is here and now not Ebola in some third world country.
I don't know about you but I've become quite attached to some of people who may well be wiped out by this disease.

No health system anywhere was built to cope with an event of this scale.

yosemitesam1

emaherx wrote: »

Proof?
Have you seen the news?
Italy?
Spain?
Death toll rising here?
Overwhelmed health services worldwide?

Testing is biased, focused only on the worst cases. That means all the statistics of deaths etc are much higher than actual. Antibody testing is the only way we will know what the virus really does in a population.
Remember the hype about swine flu, it turned out to be no worse than the standard annual flu.
Italy regularly has over 20,000 people dying annually from flu.
Normal coronavirus strains that have been around for a very long time can have high fatality rates in elderly/at risk people.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2095096/

Edit. Until antibody testing is carried out, there is no way for anyone to say with proof where we are in the spread of the virus. There is the assumption that the tested cases represent the start and growth of an epidemic. That is just an assumption. There's nothing at present to say that the assumption is justified

emaherx

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Testing is biased, focused only on the worst cases. That means all the statistics of deaths etc are much higher than actual. Antibody testing is the only way we will know what the virus really does in a population.
Remember the hype about swine flu, it turned out to be no worse than the standard annual flu.
Italy regularly has over 20,000 people dying annually from flu.
Normal coronavirus strains that have been around for a very long time can have high fatality rates in elderly/at risk people.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2095096/

None of that matters.
The shear number of actual verifiable deaths is enough to warrant action added to the fact that we don't have enough ICU beds.

I actually don't care how many untested people with mild systems self isolate without becoming part of the statistics. We don't need to know exactly what percentage are dying or critically ill to know that health systems worldwide are crippled which will increase the mortality rate of every other condition which may require ICU care and not just Covid19.

Death toll in Italy is nearly 1000 per day last I checked there are more than 20 days in a year making this much worse that seasonal flu.

Edit: Why the link about Sars? It was hardly a normal corrona virus either with a death rate of about 10% was arguably worse than covid 19 but wasn't a pandemic.

yosemitesam1

emaherx wrote: »

None of that matters.
The shear number of actual verifiable deaths is enough to warrant action added to the fact that we don't have enough ICU beds.

I actually don't care how many untested people with mild systems self isolate without becoming part of the statistics. We don't need to know exactly what percentage are dying or critically ill to know that health systems worldwide are crippled which will increase the mortality rate of every other condition which may require ICU care and not just Covid19.

It does matter. All this could be over in a few weeks and run its course with similar mortality to the flu with or without restrictions for all we know until there's definitive results.
Why don't we have an annual lockdown for the flu as well while we're at it otherwise...

emaherx

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

It does matter. All this could be over in a few weeks and run its course with similar mortality to the flu with or without restrictions for all we know until there's definitive results.
Why don't we have an annual lockdown for the flu as well while we're at it otherwise...

You may believe this, but you are wrong, just look at the daily death toll and compare it to your annual average for flu.

K.G.

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

It does matter. All this could be over in a few weeks and run its course with similar mortality to the flu with or without restrictions for all we know until there's definitive results.
Why don't we have an annual lockdown for the flu as well while we're at it otherwise...

Every government pulls every plane out of the sky and is prepared to shut down its economy because of this and you think its only the flu.fecks sake.what ever about the stats being accurate or not government s would not dream of this course of action if there was nt a serious problem with this virus.whats fast becoming obvious is the Chinese stats are a crock of #### and the death rate is way higher than 2.5 %which they were saying. Any way its only money we are losing out really.

yosemitesam1

emaherx wrote: »

You may believe this, but you are wrong, just look at the daily death toll and compare it to your annual average for flu.

https://www.euromomo.eu/outputs/number.html

Have a look around on that. For all the deaths we've heard of, there's yet to be any movement outside of the normal ranges.

emaherx

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

https://www.euromomo.eu/outputs/number.html

Have a look around on that. For all the deaths we've heard of, there's yet to be any movement outside of the normal ranges.

So hospital ICUs are normally this overrun?
Nothing outside normal ranges?

Think I'll just leave it there.