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Say my name

We thought the same about the nursing homes.
That didn't work because the HSE never realised that workers with no symptoms could spread it into the homes.

It's not about not caring..
But the reality is there's still public servants working now that are probably still spreading it amongst themselves even now during the lockdown.

Water John

They were all very aware of the nursing home risk. Not sure why you think, they didn't. Look when a test that works for antibodies comes available, it has a key role to play, but the the next 2/3 weeks is the immediate battle.

Say my name

In the meantime it's an absolutely brilliant time if you unfortunately need to visit the A&E.
There's no body there.

Water John

A good time for some group to analyse the whole A & E set up in this country. We should never let it go back to the chaos. Only critical care, filter out the rest.

Say my name

Water John wrote: »

They were all very aware of the nursing home risk. Not sure why you think, they didn't. Look when a test that works for antibodies comes available, it has a key role to play, but the the next 2/3 weeks is the immediate battle.

If they were aware of the risk and wanted to be truly sure.
The workers wouldn't have been allowed out of the homes.

The message at that time was only people with symptoms who were abroad should get tested and they really didn't believe no symptom people could spread it.
Otherwise. .workers in the homes wouldn't be allowed home.

I don't believe they're negligent. They just didn't know.

Water John

There is no on site accomodation for staff in nursing homes. Quite often, a number of them, esp non nationals live together. You might have two even rotating a bed. That has been now seen as a problem.

alps

Water John wrote: »

A good time for some group to analyse the whole A & E set up in this country. We should never let it go back to the chaos. Only critical care, filter out the rest.

The "health industry" will turn itself back on again after this.

carrollsno1

Still only 1 confirmed death as of today and number of cases dropping despite record number of tests being carried out going by this arvos headlines.

yosemitesam1

Base price wrote: »

Proof?
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It's much better not to look for proof of anything in this current climate. To do so will only send you down an endless rabbit hole where you will find that assumptions are what these restrictions are based on. Solid black and white facts have been abandoned long ago.

yosemitesam1

https://multipolar-magazin.de/artikel/coronavirus-irrefuhrung-fallzahlen

From the attachment, coronavirus made up over half of the respiratory disease detected during winter. It peaked in February. This was from a fairly random population and would have excluded anyone feeling very unwell. The percentage positive for normal coronavirus is not massively different from the current detection rates, especially when you allow for the fact that covid 19 is biased towards the infected population and this study was more random.

Edit to say, normal coronavirus strains can cause similar mortality to the new strain in elderly/vulnerable groups

emaherx

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

https://multipolar-magazin.de/artikel/coronavirus-irrefuhrung-fallzahlen

From the attachment, coronavirus made up over half of the respiratory disease detected during winter. It peaked in February. This was from a fairly random population and would have excluded anyone feeling very unwell. The percentage positive for normal coronavirus is not massively different from the current detection rates, especially when you allow for the fact that covid 19 is biased towards the infected population and this study was more random.

Edit to say, normal coronavirus strains can cause similar mortality to the new strain in elderly/vulnerable groups

But we don't normally have the ICUs totally overwhelmed on a global scale the way they are right now.

If this is just normal run of the corronaviruses why are our medical staff so overwhelmed by all of this?

Sure the percentage positive may not be that different but the percentage sick requiring hospital care is obviously much higher than normal. It is not just elderly with increased mortality either. Italy has a lot more ICU capacity per population than Ireland does and that is the reason why we are doing this.

yosemitesam1

emaherx wrote: »

But we don't normally have the ICUs totally overwhelmed on a global scale the way they are right now.

If this is just normal run of the corronaviruses why are our medical staff so overwhelmed by all of this?

Sure the percentage positive may not be that different but the percentage sick requiring hospital care is obviously much higher than normal. It is not just elderly with increased mortality either. Italy has a lot more ICU capacity per population than Ireland does and that is the reason why we are doing this.

How much has panic/fear played into it? Also staff shortages due to staff testing positive being out of work and lockdowns scaring foreign health workers to go home.
We had 500 icu beds coming not this and have roughly 120 in there at the minute.
How many of these might be there anyway and be marked down as flu or pneumonia?

Stress is also a potential catalyst to covid 19 that has never been present with the normal strains. It has been proven stress makes people more susceptible to disease

emaherx

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

How much has panic/fear played into it? Also staff shortages due to staff testing positive being out of work and lockdowns scaring foreign health workers to go home.
We had 500 icu beds coming not this and have roughly 120 in there at the minute.
How many of these might be there anyway and be marked down as flu or pneumonia?

Stress is also a potential catalyst to covid 19 that has never been present with the normal strains. It has been proven stress makes people more susceptible to disease

We acted Early, so maybe it's just working. What about Italy and Spain? Maybe they are just making it up?

What about the UK govermt who went in with a similar opinion to yourself but subsequently changed their minds and are now in a worse position than we are?

whelan2

Water John wrote: »

A good time for some group to analyse the whole A & E set up in this country. We should never let it go back to the chaos. Only critical care, filter out the rest.

There's no sports going on atm, so not as many injuries. Not as many cars in the roads so not as many accidents. Feck all people working so very few work place accidents .

yosemitesam1

emaherx wrote: »

We acted Early, so maybe it's just working. What about Italy and Spain? Maybe they are just making it up?

What about the UK govermt who went in with a similar opinion to yourself but subsequently changed their minds and are now in a worse position than we are?

https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/coronavirus-pflegekraefte-ausland-1.4866124

https://web.archive.org/web/20200330082928/https://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama/coronavirus-news-deutschland-wolfsburg-laschet-1.4828033

https://web.archive.org/web/20200330082928/https://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama/coronavirus-news-deutschland-wolfsburg-laschet-1.4828033

In recent weeks, most of the Eastern European nurses who worked 24 hours a day, 7 days a week supporting people in need of care in Italy have left the country in a hurry. This is not least because of the panic-mongering and the curfews and border closures threatened by the „emergency governments“. As a result, old people in need of care and disabled people, some without relatives, were left helpless by their carers.

Many of these abandoned people then ended up after a few days in the hospitals, which had been permanently overloaded for years, because they were dehydrated, among other things. Unfortunately, the hospitals lacked the personnel who had to look after the children locked up in their apartments because schools and kindergartens had been closed. This then led to the complete collapse of the care for the disabled and the elderly, especially in those areas where even harder „measures“ were ordered, and to chaotic conditions.

The nursing emergency, which was caused by the panic, temporarily led to many deaths among those in need of care and increasingly among younger patients in the hospitals. These fatalities then served to cause even more panic among those in charge and the media, who reported, for example, „another 475 fatalities“, „The dead are being removed from hospitals by the army“, accompanied by pictures of coffins and army trucks lined up.

However, this was the result of the funeral directors‘ fear of the „killer virus“, who therefore refused their services. Moreover, on the one hand there were too many deaths at once and on the other hand the government passed a law that the corpses carrying the coronavirus had to be cremated. In Catholic Italy, few cremations had been carried out in the past. Therefore there were only a few small crematoria, which very quickly reached their limits. Therefore the deceased had to be laid out in different churches.

In principle, this development is the same in all countries. However, the quality of the health system has a considerable influence on the effects. Therefore, there are fewer problems in Germany, Austria or Switzerland than in Italy, Spain or the USA. However, as can be seen in the official figures, there is no significant increase in the mortality rate. Just a small mountain that came from this tragedy.

https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/media/cbs-news-admits-mistake-after-airing-footage-of-overcrowded-nyc-hospital-that-was-actually-in-italy.amp


The situation in hospitals is hard to know as official reports aren't anywhere detailed enough to give a proper view of how things compare to normal. It's definitely not beyond the media to exaggerate things and there are reports that contradict the idea of all hospitals being overwhelmed purely from coronavirus patients which strongly suggests that the virus is only partly the cause of the situation we are in now

alps

whelan2 wrote: »

There's no sports going on atm, so not as many injuries. Not as many cars in the roads so not as many accidents. Feck all people working so very few work place accidents .

And the medical card brigade are absent...now it costs to go to A&E as it's a risk..

jaymla627

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/coronavirus-pflegekraefte-ausland-1.4866124

https://web.archive.org/web/20200330082928/https://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama/coronavirus-news-deutschland-wolfsburg-laschet-1.4828033

https://web.archive.org/web/20200330082928/https://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama/coronavirus-news-deutschland-wolfsburg-laschet-1.4828033


https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/media/cbs-news-admits-mistake-after-airing-footage-of-overcrowded-nyc-hospital-that-was-actually-in-italy.amp


The situation in hospitals is hard to know as official reports aren't anywhere detailed enough to give a proper view of how things compare to normal. It's definitely not beyond the media to exaggerate things and there are reports that contradict the idea of all hospitals being overwhelmed purely from coronavirus patients which strongly suggests that the virus is only partly the cause of the situation we are in now

If this strain of virus had hit the world 20 years ago the fallout wouldn’t be even noticed I bet, with populations getting older and living longer in 1st world countries and modern medicine keeping people alive longer with serious health issues, combined with modern day airline travel patterns throughout huge swathes of populations the perfect set of conditions existed to spark the pandemic we are witnessing now

emaherx

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/coronavirus-pflegekraefte-ausland-1.4866124

https://web.archive.org/web/20200330082928/https://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama/coronavirus-news-deutschland-wolfsburg-laschet-1.4828033

https://web.archive.org/web/20200330082928/https://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama/coronavirus-news-deutschland-wolfsburg-laschet-1.4828033


https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/media/cbs-news-admits-mistake-after-airing-footage-of-overcrowded-nyc-hospital-that-was-actually-in-italy.amp


The situation in hospitals is hard to know as official reports aren't anywhere detailed enough to give a proper view of how things compare to normal. It's definitely not beyond the media to exaggerate things and there are reports that contradict the idea of all hospitals being overwhelmed purely from coronavirus patients which strongly suggests that the virus is only partly the cause of the situation we are in now

None of that explains why so many ICU beds are full compared to normal in Italy. Staff shortage or not more people are in ICU beds, not just the normal amount but an increased number created especially for this crisis.

jaymla627

jaymla627 wrote: »

If this strain of virus had hit the world 20 years ago the fallout wouldn’t be even noticed I bet, with populations getting older and living longer in 1st world countries and modern medicine keeping people alive longer with serious health issues, combined with modern day airline travel patterns throughout huge swathes of populations the perfect set of conditions existed to spark the pandemic we are witnessing now

SARS was 15/16 years ago and it left an permenant mark on asian culture where it affected

yosemitesam1

emaherx wrote: »

None of that explains why so many ICU beds are full compared to normal in Italy. Staff shortage or not more people are in ICU beds, not just the normal amount but an increased number created especially for this crisis.

In addition to panic and staff shortages, there was well below average deaths from the flu this year leaving a lot of very susceptible people to be in a very vulnerable position.

Water John

A lot of people get a bit ill from Corona Viruses but Covid 19 is a different and more dangerous strain. A lot of people get sick from E -Coli but E-Coli 157 can kill you.

Panch18

alps wrote: »

And the medical card brigade are absent...now it costs to go to A&E as it's a risk..

The real reason right here

The sooner that medical cards tap is turned off once and for all the better our hospitals will be

yosemitesam1

Water John wrote: »

A lot of people get a bit ill from Corona Viruses but Covid 19 is a different and more dangerous strain. A lot of people get sick from E -Coli but E-Coli 157 can kill you.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2095096/
Mortality rate of 8.4% in nursing home patients for an endemic strain of coronavirus, also the PCR test (which is the same type of test our results are reliant on) wrongly identified the virus as SARS

alps

Panch18 wrote: »

The real reason right here

The sooner that medical cards tap is turned off once and for all the better our hospitals will be

Theres an industry manipulating within.....the whole system was working very nicely, thank you very much..

Lots of consultants quiet at the moment...

Buford T. Justice XIX

https://twitter.com/bovinetb/status/1246473765816541186?s=19

Buford T. Justice XIX

And more on masks.
https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1246048594672537606?s=19

Mooooo

Of course proper masks work if used correctly, the main reason they weren't pushed I'd say is that it would have created a greater shortage for staff who needed em more

carrollsno1

Mooooo wrote: »

Of course proper masks work if used correctly, the main reason they weren't pushed I'd say is that it would have created a greater shortage for staff who needed em more

Inneffective if youre not clean shaven too.

blue5000

My sister works in a pharmacy in the states, she had an old man in wearing a bandanna. Trouble was he used to lift it up to speak and then started sneezing:eek:.

tanko

The mystery has been solved, apparently Covid 19 is caused by mobile phone masts:D