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dzer2

Bleating Lamb wrote: »

Don’t see why they would have but Off Licence owners must have some say with powers that be ....there is no way they should be let operate away when pubs are closed.....saw 3 lads of College going age buying 24 cans each the other day.....doubt they were buying them to bring home to 3 different homes to drink with Mum and Dad.

If left open there should be a limit imposed during Level 3 up that no one individual can buy more than say 12 cans or 3 bottles of wine at a time.

Think the whole lockdown and levels are in their last throw. Lots of young lads around us not following procedures. Just happens we have college going kids. They are showing us videos of their mates having house parties every weekend. They are being invited but haven't gone yet as we have told them they will be in 14 days of isolation when they get back. The levels might get lowered this time but when they rise again there is no way in hell.they will.be able to enforce another level 5 without an end plan. And these boys cany see past the end of their nose. Its lack of responsibility and leadership that has the health service in the state it is. No one with a brain would take an infected animal into the herd but we have no problem filling up the hospitals with people carrying the most infectious disease known. Nearly a year in and no centre of excellence for covid madness

Water John

This UK study shows that those who have had Covid are losing immunity.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/27/proportion-of-people-in-england-with-covid-antibodies-has-fallen-study-says

This seems to indicate that unless a vaccine induces a higher response then getting vaccinated twice a year looks a possibility.

paddysdream

So
Is it off licences,students,tourists ,house party's , young lads ,auld lads or hairdressers that's to blame ?
This is why I think government and nphet have made such a hash of the response.
Human nature will over ride even the most stringent regulations and directives.That is indisputable in my opinion.
Not gonna get into a debate regarding the danger or otherwise of covid 19 to the population in general but when you have directives that everyone says are necessary and needed but are at the same time ignored because those same people believe, rightly or wrongly,it will have little or no impact on them thwn the battle is lost before it begins.
To reiterate see no real change around here with move from level whatever to level whatever new and improved version apart from a few places closed that couldn't find a loophole,excuse,good reason etc etc to stay trading.

kerryjack

A few young bucks here as well if they want to go they can go but will have to stay in caravan when they return for 2 weeks isolation caravan not that appealing this time of year.

endainoz

Bleating Lamb wrote: »

Don’t see why they would have but Off Licence owners must have some say with powers that be ....there is no way they should be let operate away when pubs are closed.....saw 3 lads of College going age buying 24 cans each the other day.....doubt they were buying them to bring home to 3 different homes to drink with Mum and Dad.

If left open there should be a limit imposed during Level 3 up that no one individual can buy more than say 12 cans or 3 bottles of wine at a time.

Wouldn't make a bit of difference, if people can't get enough booze, they will just get more drugs which at this stage are more easy to get that booze. Only way to combat that would be for the guards to have the power to enter private houses without out permission. This won't happen of course, too many privacy laws to get through.

paddysdream

endainoz wrote: »

Wouldn't make a bit of difference, if people can't get enough booze, they will just get more drugs which at this stage are more easy to get that booze. Only way to combat that would be for the guards to have the power to enter private houses without out permission. This won't happen of course, too many privacy laws to get through.

That actually reads like you would approve of giving Gardai the right to enter private property without permission .

endainoz

paddysdream wrote: »

That actually reads like you would approve of giving Gardai the right to enter private property without permission .

Not a chance, couldn't be farther from the truth actually. I was just making a point on how limiting off licences wouldn't make a difference.

yosemitesam1

Water John wrote: »

This UK study shows that those who have had Covid are losing immunity.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/27/proportion-of-people-in-england-with-covid-antibodies-has-fallen-study-says

This seems to indicate that unless a vaccine induces a higher response then getting vaccinated twice a year looks a possibility.

That is not what's being shown. Immunity is much more complex than the presence or absence of antibodies

Water John

The article doesn't disagree with you. I did use the parameters 'seems to indicate'

This lockdown in the State of Victoria in Australia is worth reading. It went on for 4 months but did almost eliminate the virus.

https://www.thejournal.ie/four-month-lockdown-melbourne-explainer-5245745-Oct2020/

Base price

Water John wrote: »

The article doesn't disagree with you. I did use the parameters 'seems to indicate'

This lockdown in the State of Victoria in Australia is worth reading. It went on for 4 months but did almost eliminate the virus.

https://www.thejournal.ie/four-month-lockdown-melbourne-explainer-5245745-Oct2020/

It is going to interesting to see how long they can keep the numbers down. I was talking to eldest yesterday and they were so looking forward to celebrating the lifting of restrictions with their mates/friends.

Water John

Yes, in our case we might be better aiming to reach a fairly low level and seek to maintain that.

zetecescort

Base price wrote: »

It is going to interesting to see how long they can keep the numbers down. I was talking to eldest yesterday and they were so looking forward to celebrating the lifting of restrictions with their mates/friends.

Not having a go at your young lad but surely gathering to celebrate is the last thing they should do. It's the same around here, just tough out the level 5 and then full steam ahead to Christmas which will only put us back to square one for January

Base price

zetecescort wrote: »

Not having a go at your young lad but surely gathering to celebrate is the last thing they should do. It's the same around here, just tough out the level 5 and then full steam ahead to Christmas which will only put us back to square one for January

Exactly, that's the problem with writing stuff - I didn't get the sarcasm across properly.
Anyway he claims that the authorities have narrowed the coronavirus to a few pockets and they are keeping movement restrictions in those areas. TBH I doubt it will work but we will wait and see.

Albert Johnson

zetecescort wrote: »

Not having a go at your young lad but surely gathering to celebrate is the last thing they should do. It's the same around here, just tough out the level 5 and then full steam ahead to Christmas which will only put us back to square one for January

Yes at which stage I have no doubt another lock down will be suggested "what about another mass Ted?". It will of course only be for 4/6 weeks and then we can look forward to Paddy's day and a few weeks of freedom. The power's that be can't see beyond a few weeks of restrictions and kicking the can a bit further down the road.

Bar the appearance of a workable vaccine or a good old fashioned miracle I don't see how the vicious circle will be broken without a total change in mindset of our government. It seems that the hardships associated with business closures, unemployment, loss of access to basic services, health problems both physical and mental ect are much less of a priority than trying to turn the tide of coronavirus. I'm becoming more convinced each day that it's completely acceptable to die from, homelessness, sucide, cancer ect but under no circumstances from covid-19.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Some Covid19 survivors have antibodies that attack the body, not the virus and may benefit from drugs that target autoimmune diseases.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/27/health/covid-antibodies-autoimmunity.html#click=https://t.co/RhF6zxnwSH

yosemitesam1

Albert Johnson wrote: »

Yes at which stage I have no doubt another lock down will be suggested "what about another mass Ted?". It will of course only be for 4/6 weeks and then we can look forward to Paddy's day and a few weeks of freedom. The power's that be can't see beyond a few weeks of restrictions and kicking the can a bit further down the road.

Bar the appearance of a workable vaccine or a good old fashioned miracle I don't see how the vicious circle will be broken without a total change in mindset of our government. It seems that the hardships associated with business closures, unemployment, loss of access to basic services, health problems both physical and mental ect are much less of a priority than trying to turn the tide of coronavirus. I'm becoming more convinced each day that it's completely acceptable to die from, homelessness, sucide, cancer ect but under no circumstances from covid-19.

If positives per day don't hit 100 by the end of the 6 weeks, will restrictions be eased at all?
The numbers aren't where we want them to be was the excuse as to why we were among the (if not the) slowest in Europe to reopen

wrangler

Albert Johnson wrote: »

Yes at which stage I have no doubt another lock down will be suggested "what about another mass Ted?". It will of course only be for 4/6 weeks and then we can look forward to Paddy's day and a few weeks of freedom. The power's that be can't see beyond a few weeks of restrictions and kicking the can a bit further down the road.

Bar the appearance of a workable vaccine or a good old fashioned miracle I don't see how the vicious circle will be broken without a total change in mindset of our government. It seems that the hardships associated with business closures, unemployment, loss of access to basic services, health problems both physical and mental ect are much less of a priority than trying to turn the tide of coronavirus. I'm becoming more convinced each day that it's completely acceptable to die from, homelessness, sucide, cancer ect but under no circumstances from covid-19.

I don't think they give a damn whether you die from Covid either as long as you don't put our rubbish health service under pressure.

selectamatic

While it's true that other aspects of health are being overlooked, ignoring or reducing attention given to covid isn't going to reduce this.

If the health system were to come under proper pressure as is being seen in Belgium at the moment then there's the opportunity for more people to die of all sorts of illnesses be that covid or not anyways. It's a lose lose situation.

Water John

The figures are falling already, close to being halved. If this trajectory holds it means Level 3 achieves what id desired. Any effect of Level 5 hasn't happened yet.

emaherx

Water John wrote: »

The figures are falling already, close to being halved. If this trajectory holds it means Level 3 achieves what id desired. Any effect of Level 5 hasn't happened yet.

Hindsight is great though. Bet Belgium are wishing they had implemented stronger restrictions sooner.

Water John

Not sure, they knew Level 3 worked in Kildare. They needed to give it the time once that is what they originally decided.

yosemitesam1

Water John wrote: »

The figures are falling already, close to being halved. If this trajectory holds it means Level 3 achieves what id desired. Any effect of Level 5 hasn't happened yet.

In an ideal world nphet would be recommending immediately going back to level 3 that they overreacted.
What are the chances? Instead we'll be locked down for the full 6 weeks but who knows if numbers will actually get under 100 a day and what happens if not...

Water John

It's the Govn't takes the responsibility and also decides what amount of Covid is acceptable, in mind of the effects on all aspects of life.

gozunda

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

In an ideal world nphet would be recommending immediately going back to level 3 that they overreacted.
What are the chances? Instead we'll be locked down for the full 6 weeks but who knows if numbers will actually get under 100 a day and what happens if not...

There is a known time lag for those who are infected and who end up in ICU and those that die of between 6 and 12 weeks. Unfortunately that means we could be seeing a sharply rising death rate in the coming weeks.

yosemitesam1

gozunda wrote: »

There is a known time lag for those who are infected and who end up in ICU and those that die of between 6 and 12 weeks. Unfortunately that means we could be seeing a sharply rising death rate in the coming weeks.

That lag could take a very different shape this time around as it would have been almost entirely healthcare workers, nursing home residents and the most severe covid cases being tested in the spring

Water John

The daily positive numbers are falling over the last several days. That then feeds through to less hospitalisations, patients in IUC and deaths. The point is, this had started before Level 5 was implemented. If you decide to go from Level 2 to 3, you have to wait 21 days to see the full effect.
I think you know from my posts on this I'm very cautious. I think the Govn't looked at getting the infection down low before the Christmas season.

Say my name

Water John wrote: »

The daily positive numbers are falling over the last several days. That then feeds through to less hospitalisations, patients in IUC and deaths. The point is, this had started before Level 5 was implemented. If you decide to go from Level 2 to 3, you have to wait 21 days to see the full effect.
I think you know from my posts on this I'm very cautious. I think the Govn't looked at getting the infection down low before the Christmas season.

It'll be the first Christmas without people attending mass and relations flying home from abroad.

I doubt even a Christmas miracle will make the Government let that happen.
If they did three quarters of the population would welcome it but three quarters of the population would publicly condemn it.

jaymla627

Say my name wrote: »

It'll be the first Christmas without people attending mass and relations flying home from abroad.

I doubt even a Christmas miracle will make the Government let that happen.
If they did three quarters of the population would welcome it but three quarters of the population would publicly condemn it.

Looking at the second wave that's hitting Europe,its looks like the spring covid 19 was just the starters, and this virus seems to thrive in colder damper weather as the infection rates in Europe are going of the chart, its looking like a masterstroke by the government locking down as quick as they did when you see what's occurring in mainland Europe at the minute

Say my name

jaymla627 wrote: »

Looking at the second wave that's hitting Europe,its looks like the spring covid 19 was just the starters, and this virus seems to thrive in colder damper weather as the infection rates in Europe are going of the chart, its looking like a masterstroke by the government locking down as quick as they did when you see what's occurring in mainland Europe at the minute

If they could figure out why the flu season every year coincides with late autumn, winter and spring, they'd have this licked.

Is there anything to suggest Covid affects men more than women?

(We might get more sympathy).

gozunda

jaymla627 wrote: »

Looking at the second wave that's hitting Europe,its looks like the spring covid 19 was just the starters, and this virus seems to thrive in colder damper weather as the infection rates in Europe are going of the chart, its looking like a masterstroke by the government locking down as quick as they did when you see what's occurring in mainland Europe at the minute

It thrives because of close contacts within warm, less ventilated and less humid spaces. The winter here means people in close contact with others for longer.