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yosemitesam1

emaherx wrote: »

And living in close quarters? Most likely a lot of communal facilitie

Edit: just read through it, do you really think that strict military disciple will stop spread when they have so many shared facilities? Large groups of people eating together for example and shared washing facilities.

If masks, 2m distance, good levels of sanitising and people taking it seriously can't stop it. What chance has a school or other workplace?

CloughCasey1

wrangler wrote: »

Chances of a level 2 or 3 restrictions at Christmas are getting further and further away, Numbers yesterday was about double last monday.
Race to the bottom now.
I wish they'd enforce the restrictions but it seems the guards can't be bothered .
Have they the balls to ban take away pints....... I don't think so

Got stopped on Kerry border yesterday morning at Knocknagoshel by 2 guards. Had a days work around Killarney.
Where are ye off to lads.
Work I say.
Sound job he says.
I was ready in my head with all the answers and have a letter in the diary saying we can work and travel during lockdown but no questions asked at all.

emaherx

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

If masks, 2m distance, good levels of sanitising and people taking it seriously can't stop it. What chance has a school or other workplace?

350-450 new recruits weekly divide into platoons of 50-60

They live together 24/7, dine together several times a day and share much more facilities than your average school and are still human do you really think all recruits meet the strict military discipline 24/7?

_Brian

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

If masks, 2m distance, good levels of sanitising and people taking it seriously can't stop it. What chance has a school or other workplace?

These things are stopping the spread.
It’s really spreading misinformation saying they don’t.

What isn’t working is people not sticking to these things.

yosemitesam1

_Brian wrote: »

These things are stopping the spread.
It’s really spreading misinformation saying they don’t.

What isn’t working is people not sticking to these things.

Reducing and stopping spread are to very different things. We know that it is reduction that we are hoping for but ultimately no-one knows the efficacy of these measures

yosemitesam1

emaherx wrote: »

350-450 new recruits weekly divide into platoons of 50-60

They live together 24/7, dine together several times a day and share much more facilities than your average school and are still human do you really think all recruits meet the strict military discipline 24/7?

All recruits wore double-layered cloth masks at all times indoors and outdoors, except when sleeping or eating; practiced social distancing of at least 6 feet; were not allowed to leave campus; did not have access to personal electronics and other items that might contribute to surface transmission; and routinely washed their hands. They slept in double-occupancy rooms with sinks, ate in shared dining facilities, and used shared bathrooms. All recruits cleaned their rooms daily, sanitized bathrooms after each use with bleach wipes, and ate preplated meals in a dining hall that was cleaned with bleach after each platoon had eaten. Most instruction and exercises were conducted outdoors. All movement of recruits was supervised, and unidirectional flow was implemented, with designated building entry and exit points to minimize contact among persons. All recruits, regardless of participation in the study, underwent daily temperature and symptom screening. Six instructors who were assigned to each platoon worked in 8-hour shifts and enforced the quarantine measures. If recruits reported any signs or symptoms consistent with Covid-19, they reported to sick call, underwent rapid qPCR testing for SARS-CoV-2, and were placed in isolation pending the results of testing

That is going to be a much tougher environment for virus spread compared to most schools and a lot of workplaces

emaherx

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Reducing and stopping spread are to very different things. We know that it is reduction that we are hoping for but ultimately no-one knows the efficacy of these measures

Yes that's why they aren't working in your military scenario. Personally I rather not live a communal situation military or otherwise and use the available protections in the limited contact situations that are nessacery.

Water John

The prison system has done very well at keeping Covid very low. They had previous knowledge and actions to counteract TB spread.
The precautions work, if implemented.

endainoz

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Reducing and stopping spread are to very different things. We know that it is reduction that we are hoping for but ultimately no-one knows the efficacy of these measures

Except that we literally do and have the data of reduced numbers to prove it.

Reggie.

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Got stopped on Kerry border yesterday morning at Knocknagoshel by 2 guards. Had a days work around Killarney.
Where are ye off to lads.
Work I say.
Sound job he says.
I was ready in my head with all the answers and have a letter in the diary saying we can work and travel during lockdown but no questions asked at all.

Guards lost thier powers to stop you during lockdown. Dont have the powers they did earlier in the year

arctictree

The numbers are a bit strange to be honest. Level 3 has brought the numbers down, level 5 has brought them up again! I think the virus is just doing its thing and not much we can do about it, especially with schools open.

_Brian

arctictree wrote: »

The numbers are a bit strange to be honest. Level 3 has brought the numbers down, level 5 has brought them up again! I think the virus is just doing its thing and not much we can do about it, especially with schools open.

I think with the current levels of economic activity with so many shops being made essential and schools open, combined with the time of year, we may have reached a natural Plato as regards numbers.

It will make the release of lockdown quite the headache. Releasing people to socialise heavily from a position of 400 cases a day we would quickly see a massive escalation and as such a surge in hospitalisations.

People are giving out about hospitals not getting back to regular business quick enough and yet they are acting irresponsibly this driving up hospitalisations and further delaying the return to normal business.

The longer numbers stay up now the more likely things get really out of hand over Christmas and so the increased likelihood of a further lockdown in January/Feb

_Brian

_Brian wrote: »

I think with the current levels of economic activity with so many shops being made essential and schools open, combined with the time of year, we may have reached a natural Plato as regards numbers.

It will make the release of lockdown quite the headache. Releasing people to socialise heavily from a position of 400 cases a day we would quickly see a massive escalation and as such a surge in hospitalisations.

People are giving out about hospitals not getting back to regular business quick enough and yet they are acting irresponsibly this driving up hospitalisations and further delaying the return to normal business.

The longer numbers stay up now the more likely things get really out of hand over Christmas and so the increased likelihood of a further lockdown in January/Feb

Getting down under the 100 may need further restrictions and business closures which I don’t think the government have the stomach for.

endainoz

_Brian wrote: »

Getting down under the 100 may need further restrictions and business closures which I don’t think the government have the stomach for.

They keep saying about the outbreaks in homes, but it would be interesting to see how many of these are from houses with kids that attend schools.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Studies hint that immunity to the Coronavirus may last years.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/17/health/coronavirus-immunity.html#click=https://t.co/ntTmKxKjbm

Lime Tree Farm

Dentyl mouthwash

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/mouthwash-kills-coronavirus-within-30-seconds-in-laboratory-tests-study-finds-39756904.html

Buford T. Justice XIX

Buford T. Justice XIX wrote: »

Studies hint that immunity to the Coronavirus may last years.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/17/health/coronavirus-immunity.html#click=https://t.co/ntTmKxKjbm

Would be interesting to see,if such immunity would be passed onto children....we surely cant be too far from babies being born from those who have caught and recovered from this??



I remember reading before the black death altered human dna a small bit,

gozunda

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Would be interesting to see,if such immunity would be passed onto children....we surely cant be too far from babies being born from those who have caught and recovered from this??

I remember reading before the black death altered human dna a small bit,

The problem with coronaviruses is that they can mutate. So any immunity is going to be a moving goalpost.

A mother may pass antibodies on to their child either before or at birth but afaik most such immunities are only good for the strain that the mother was exposed to. A big concern there would be the exposure of the fetus to the virus with possible but unknown longterm effects

The black death was caused by a bacterium which burned its way through the population back then and killed millions. Today it could be stopped with the use of antibiotics. Though that's presuming that antibiotic resistance isn't an issue.

whelan2

Lime Tree Farm wrote: »

Dentyl mouthwash

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/mouthwash-kills-coronavirus-within-30-seconds-in-laboratory-tests-study-finds-39756904.html

My dad swears by the brown original listerine. He gargles with it everyday. A doctor told him years ago to use it. Very hard to get it at the moment. I'm buying it for him from America .

yosemitesam1

gozunda wrote: »

The problem with coronaviruses is that they can mutate. So any immunity is going to be a moving goalpost.

A mother may pass antibodies on to their child either before or at birth but afaik most such immunities are only good for the strain that the mother was exposed to. A big concern there would be the exposure of the fetus to the virus with possible but unknown longterm effects

The black death was caused by a bacterium which burned its way through the population back then and killed millions. Today it could be stopped with the use of antibiotics. Though that's presuming that antibiotic resistance isn't an issue.

Coronaviruses don't really rely on mutation in the way something like flu does. The more diverse strains are the ones that are constantly mixing between people and animals. But not all strains actually do that and remain very similar over long periods of time and large geographic areas.
Diversity in strains is a byproduct of moving through multiple host types, it's not a goal as it is for something like flu

gozunda

whelan2 wrote: »

My dad swears by the brown original listerine. He gargles with it everyday. A doctor told him years ago to use it. Very hard to get it at the moment. I'm buying it for him from America .

On the use of other things - this makes for interesting reading

Four Thieves Vinegar

greysides

Rheumatoid Arthritis drug which dampens down the immune shows very promising results in trial.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55002339

_Brian

greysides wrote: »

Rheumatoid Arthritis drug which dampens down the immune shows very promising results in trial.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55002339

Interesting indeed

wrangler

wrangler wrote: »

until the vaccines are up and running.

I don't know too many people eager to rush out and get these new vaccines tbh.

_Brian

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't know too many people eager to rush out and get these new vaccines tbh.

It will be interesting to see how this pans out.
So many are hesitant it will seriously affect the usefulness of having the vaccine.

We could see a situation where people wishing for a vaccine so we get back to normal, refuse en mass to take it, we have serious ongoing outbreaks and end up in further lockdowns with the same people complaining again.

Say my name

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I don't know too many people eager to rush out and get these new vaccines tbh.

I know someone with a heart condition attending a doctor in Dublin.
When the talk of vaccine came up, the advice was to hang back a bit and see how it pans out. From the medical side they said you don't want to be the first ones.

Different demographics will have different considerations.

_Brian

_Brian wrote: »

It will be interesting to see how this pans out.
So many are hesitant it will seriously affect the usefulness of having the vaccine.

We could see a situation where people wishing for a vaccine so we get back to normal, refuse en mass to take it, we have serious ongoing outbreaks and end up in further lockdowns with the same people complaining again.

Say my name wrote: »

I know someone with a heart condition attending a doctor in Dublin.
When the talk of vaccine came up, the advice was to hang back a bit and see how it pans out. From the medical side they said you don't want to be the first ones.

Different demographics will have different considerations.

I bet there will be legal disclaimers ten miles long around these vaccines. They say your health is your wealth but it's rolling the dice either way. We don't know what the long term effects of covid are and neither do we know what long term or side effects of the vaccines. I won't be rushing out for a jab anyway.

alps

If life starts to return to normal, if unvaccinated, the chances of catching covid will be high.

The choice IMO, will be between the side effects of a vaccine or the side effects of covid..

yosemitesam1

alps wrote: »

If life starts to return to normal, if unvaccinated, the chances of catching covid will be high.

The choice IMO, will be between the side effects of a vaccine or the side effects of covid..

The thing to remember is circa 60% of infections have zero symptoms, another 20-30% are very mild and the remainder are bad flu symptoms.
So a vaccine will make no difference for 60% of people and only stop a cold for another 20-30% of people. Most have no need for it.
But then take the argument that if everyone gets vaccinated we are protecting the vulnerable. There is no evidence at all to suggest that the vaccines will prevent asymptomatic infections, so only those at risk or feel like taking it should do so.

Water John

Deleted User wrote: »

I bet there will be legal disclaimers ten miles long around these vaccines. They say your health is your wealth but it's rolling the dice either way. We don't know what the long term effects of covid are and neither do we know what long term or side effects of the vaccines. I won't be rushing out for a jab anyway.

AFAIK Govn'ts will be indemnifying the manufacturers.
The Oxford one is a traditional type vaccine, so I don't think I'd have any bother with that. Walter Isaacson has a book coming out in March called The Code Breaker, he took part in one of the trials, also.