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yosemitesam1

endainoz wrote: »

I don't see an issue with the stock thing that you keep bringing up, it was a perfectly acceptable business decision, nothing underhanded about it.

The vaccine won't work if it's not given to a large number of the population, this can be eradicated if the take up is high enough. As Brian said people could still be carriers, the virus can stay on a surface for a certain period of time.

I saw a doctor speak about this before and the way to look as it would be to imagine a "swiss cheese" type scenario. One slice would represent the vaccine, anti vaxxers would be some holes in that slice. The next slice would be hand hygiene, the next would be social distancing etc. You get the idea; the vaccine is not a silver bullet, it needs to be used in conjunction with other methods.

This is the thing. The points in your post are based on assuming that vaccination prevents asymptomatic infection and spread. Ie I get vaccinated, get exposed and infected and despite no symptoms still exhale covid and infect others.
There is no data to say that the vaccine will protect against that.

All we know is that it likely reduces a cold to nothing. But beyond that nobody knows.
Severe cases may still happen in vaccinated people at a similar rate or might be reduced. Nobody can say as there is no data to show either way.

We are betting on the vaccine being useful and maybe it will but there would want to be a fairly good plan b that doesn't involve endless lockdowns and restrictions

Water John

The point of the trials were, that very few who get the vaccine get seriously ill with Covid. If it prevented a person from passing on an infection that would be a bonus.
If everybody gets Covid at some point after vaccination and nobody or very few get seriously ill, then the vaccine has done its main job.

yosemitesam1

Water John wrote: »

The point of the trials were, that very few who get the vaccine get seriously ill with Covid. If it prevented a person from passing on an infection that would be a bonus.
If everybody gets Covid at some point after vaccination and nobody or very few get seriously ill, then the vaccine has done its main job.

The trials could only show if mild disease was reduced. They would have had to have been bigger and containing larger proportions of at risk people to give any data on severe disease.

wrangler

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

This is the thing. The points in your post are based on assuming that vaccination prevents asymptomatic infection and spread. Ie I get vaccinated, get exposed and infected and despite no symptoms still exhale covid and infect others.
There is no data to say that the vaccine will protect against that.

All we know is that it likely reduces a cold to nothing. But beyond that nobody knows.
Severe cases may still happen in vaccinated people at a similar rate or might be reduced. Nobody can say as there is no data to show either way.

We are betting on the vaccine being useful and maybe it will but there would want to be a fairly good plan b that doesn't involve endless lockdowns and restrictions

There won't be a plan B, if there was it would've been used long ago, I intend to get the vaccine and wait 3 /4 weeks, after that if I give it to someone through asymptomatic infection that's anti vaxxer, then that's their tough luck.
I won't be restricting after 3 weeks and will maybe even dump the masks. Anti vaxxers think they're being very smart but we'll see

yosemitesam1

wrangler wrote: »

There won't be a plan B, if there was it would've been used long ago, I intend to get the vaccine and wait 3 /4 weeks, after that if I give it to someone through asymptomatic infection that's anti vaxxer, then that's their tough luck.
I won't be restricting after 3 weeks and will maybe even dump the masks. Anti vaxxers think they're being very smart but we'll see

But what about coming into contact with elderly, immunocompromised or other very high risk groups. It remains to be seen what difference does the vaccine make to those groups.
It is only a very small proportion of society who have anything more than a cold to worry about and do we decide f***k them if the vaccine doesn't offer them a large amount of protection?

wrangler

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

But what about coming into contact with elderly, immunocompromised or other very high risk groups. It remains to be seen what difference does the vaccine make to those groups.
It is only a very small proportion of society who have anything more than a cold to worry about and do we decide f***k them if the vaccine doesn't offer them a large amount of protection?

There's hundreds of thousands not bothering about the immunocompromised already, I see it all over,
Why should I worry about them if I have myself protected

Water John

wrangler wrote: »

There's hundreds of thousands not bothering about the immunocompromised already, I see it all over,
Why should I worry about them if I have myself protected

I have been quite annoyed at many peoples inability to observe a bit of the basic guidelines esp in the Autumn. However one cannot base ones own response on those. So many have made great efforts and the vulnerable must be protected as much as is reasonably possible.
Let's play out the game esp as their is a probable end line.

yosemitesam1

wrangler wrote: »

Why should I worry about them if I have myself protected

There's some who'd castigate you for that attitude but I hope that the majority of people are thinking the same thing as you, otherwise we risk never leaving behind these restrictions

wrangler

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

There's some who'd castigate you for that attitude but I hope that the majority of people are thinking the same thing as you, otherwise we risk never leaving behind these restrictions

I was in town yesterday and you'd never think there was a virus going around, every where was full , also heard that everywhere was full last night as well.
So who's the fools.
It'll be interesting to see if this weekend reflects in the numbers affected around 15th to 20th

Reggie.

Teething problems?

https://www.thesun.ie/news/6259389/pfizer-covid-jab-warning-allergies/?utm_source=upday&utm_medium=referral

lakill Farm

Oh great that rules me out so

Reggie. wrote: »

Teething problems?

https://www.thesun.ie/news/6259389/pfizer-covid-jab-warning-allergies/?utm_source=upday&utm_medium=referral

Reggie.

lakill Farm wrote: »

Oh great that rules me out so

Your expendable anyways :P

lakill Farm

Reggie. wrote: »

Your expendable anyways :P

Im LGP

_Brian

Reggie. wrote: »

Teething problems?

https://www.thesun.ie/news/6259389/pfizer-covid-jab-warning-allergies/?utm_source=upday&utm_medium=referral

That’s unfortunate.
Hopefully just the Sun sensationalising as ever

lakill Farm

_Brian wrote: »

That’s unfortunate.
Hopefully just the Sun sensationalising as ever

Its just been on the 11am news on Today fm

wrangler

_Brian wrote: »

That’s unfortunate.
Hopefully just the Sun sensationalising as ever

And there was hundreds vaccinated yesterday.

The two that reacted carried an adrenalin pen,, it says it all really

yosemitesam1

wrangler wrote: »

And there was hundreds vaccinated yesterday.

The two that reacted carried an adrenalin pen,, it says it all really

What might show up when millions receive it...

wrangler

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

What might show up when millions receive it...

I'd say there be lots of different reactions, even a blood transfusion can react in some

TBF I'd be more worried about side affects at 40 than 70

lakill Farm

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

What might show up when millions receive it...

back a few years ago, my mam was getting chemo treatment

She received a certain drug 108 times over 5 years. On the 109 time she had a reaction to the exact same drug administered by a nurse .

Of course a few people will have a reaction to it .

odyssey06

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

What might show up when millions receive it...

We don't test any medicine, therapy, treatment on millions of people.
This is a known possible reaction e.g. the annual flu vaccine can cause this kind of reaction, it's why people receiving vaccine or injected medicine for first time are monitored for this kind of allergic reaction (or just fainting).

Water John

If you carry an EpiPen why would you be given or volunteer on the first day of a new vaccine?

Other news (not news) Covid 19 has been detected in a child swabbed in Italy on the 30th Nov 2019

_Brian

Water John wrote: »

If you carry an EpiPen why would you be given or volunteer on the first day of a new vaccine?

Other news (not news) Covid 19 has been detected in a child swabbed in Italy on the 30th Nov 2019

Good to see some evidence.
Anecdotally many people believe covid was in circulation late 2019. Even in ireland we were seeing people in hospital and dying from a shocking unusual fly/chest infection that didn’t fit previous seen issues.

wrangler

Water John wrote: »

If you carry an EpiPen why would you be given or volunteer on the first day of a new vaccine?

Other news (not news) Covid 19 has been detected in a child swabbed in Italy on the 30th Nov 2019

I don't think it's serious reaction, ie not a type to be fatal.
Vaccine is the lesser of two evils especially if you were in the front line

wrangler

Numbers edging upwards already I'm afraid, 4000 died in america yesterday because, they say , of Thanksgiving

whelan2

wrangler wrote: »

Numbers edging upwards already I'm afraid, 4000 died in america yesterday because, they say , of Thanksgiving

Friends who are living in America are coming home next week for good. Get tested at Dublin airport at a cost of 99 euro each. 5 days isolation when they get home. Their dog will be on the same flight and can be collected that evening in swords

alps

whelan2 wrote: »

Friends who are living in America are coming home next week for good. Get tested at Dublin airport at a cost of 99 euro each. 5 days isolation when they get home. Their dog will be on the same flight and can be collected that evening in swords

Spray the dog...

GoneHome

whelan2 wrote: »

Friends who are living in America are coming home next week for good. Get tested at Dublin airport at a cost of 99 euro each. 5 days isolation when they get home. Their dog will be on the same flight and can be collected that evening in swords

Only 5 days isolation, Jesus I wouldn't be going near them for at least 2/3 weeks, America is riff with Covid, have you heard of A-Synthamatic

wrangler

GoneHome wrote: »

Only 5 days isolation, Jesus I wouldn't be going near them for at least 2/3 weeks, America is riff with Covid, have you heard of A-Synthamatic

Everyone that travels , near or far, is extending this virus

whelan2

wrangler wrote: »

Everyone that travels , near or far, is extending this virus

I wouldn't begrudge them coming home as long as they keep to the rules. . Must have been very hard not seeing family etc for over a year. No one would have thought the virus would come. It was grand up to last year as everyone was just a flight away

mandrake04

Thought I would give a bit of an update I'm living in Sydney, its been 60% - 80% normal since June with the last few months being well over 80%. Now its about 90% normal I would say its equivalent to Level 0.3- 0.5 in Ireland, there are some restrictions mostly nightclubs and gym capacities but rom what I have seen cafes, restaurants and food courts have returned their table capacities to more or less pre-covid. Pubs have restricted 1 person 2m2 so a 10m x10m floor space can accommodate 50 people, you are not stuck in someone's arm pit but you can stand and sit and the pubs are quite full but not not the really overly overcrowded.

I was out on my xmas party last night, venue we used last year right on the harbour. There were 138 of us, 8 to a table which I think was same last year and no one wearing masks except staff, we had a live band and signs up indicating max 50 dancing at a time although previous years you wouldn't have that many dancing anyway. Bar staff just uncapped bottles and wine and left on the bar and you help yourself, was all very civilized.

Shopping centres are packed, I managed to make it to my local one this afternoon once I recovered and 8005 car parking spaces were all full plus it has a metro station underneath so you can imagine how many people were there. All shops had max capacities signs a few months ago they seem to be gone now all shops were absolutely packed.

You are restricted to 50 people at your house or 30 people in your apartment, masks are only advisory on public transport you see maybe 50/50. In shops mask wearing is probably 10% but would be a lot higher in Asian suburbs.

outdoor stadiums are at 100% capacity, indoors 75% same as cinemas, theaters etc.

They have restricted the NYE fireworks events in the city this year in a toned down version but it will proceed as a beam of hope to the world.
Attendance in all the spots is for permit holders, if you live in the CBD you and your guests can have a permit, anyone who attends a restaurant, hotel or a ticketed pub event can have a permit and frontline workers can have a permit to the premium spots.