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Coronavirus Pandemic Information- Local and Worldwide

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    #2702
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Base price wrote: »
    “Batsh1t” is apt although the scientists studying the origins of this virus say it could have mutated within different species. That’s the bit I remember from Newstalk/Prof. Luke O’Neill earlier this week.

    Are we implementing restrictions here on UK travel?


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    #2703
    yosemitesam1
    Registered Users Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Base price wrote: »
    “Batsh1t” is apt although the scientists studying the origins of this virus say it could have mutated within different species. That’s the bit I remember from Newstalk/Prof. Luke O’Neill earlier this week.

    There's a saying in microbiology that everything is everywhere but the environment selects.
    What is really being seen with this new variant could just be random, it could be that some variants might be more favoured in the summer/autumn compared to the winter (but average out at same transmission rates overall) or it could be just noise thats being wrongly interpreted.
    All of the above are much much more likely answers than what they are saying


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    #2704
    NcdJd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭NcdJd


    gozunda wrote: »
    Are we implementing restrictions here on UK travel?

    Quietest I've heard Dublin Airport in over a week. Hope all the irish truck drivers make it home soon that have been caught up in all of this.


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    #2705
    whelan2
    Registered Users Posts: 29,517 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    NcdJd wrote: »
    Quietest I've heard Dublin Airport in over a week. Hope all the irish truck drivers make it home soon that have been caught up in all of this.

    I dont understand why the government cant meet today. Are ferries still running?


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    #2706
    NcdJd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭NcdJd


    whelan2 wrote: »
    I dont understand why the government cant meet today. Are ferries still running?

    Do they not get a 3 day weekend ? :)

    Ferries are still running. But not sure when the freight services only routine kicks in.


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    #2707
    dzer2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭dzer2


    Not sure how they are going to implement it as the passengers have to be stopped boarding on the UK side. It's too late when they arrive in Dublin


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    #2708
    whelan2
    Registered Users Posts: 29,517 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Wasnt there a ferry refused to dock in liverpool last week as something like 6 crew members had tested positive?


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    #2709
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,773 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Civil service call the shots. It was all about managing the queue at the hospitals. Managing the curve as they call it.
    Look at Australia. They closed the borders and put the army on the streets. It worked.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    #2710
    mandrake04
    Registered Users Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Civil service call the shots. It was all about managing the queue at the hospitals. Managing the curve as they call it.
    Look at Australia. They closed the borders and put the army on the streets. It worked.

    To be fair that's not exactly true, Australia only closed border to foreigners there is still 6500 citizens a week flying into Australia.. sure they are managed in quarantine for 14 days which many don't really mind if it helps keep cases manageable.

    but there is definitely no army on the streets


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    #2711
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,142 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    dzer2 wrote: »
    Not sure how they are going to implement it as the passengers have to be stopped boarding on the UK side. It's too late when they arrive in Dublin

    People should stop all this whinig over one bloody day,
    In famine times people left and never saw their family again, now they have every possible method to stay in contact.
    Anyone flying in now are selfish in the extreme ...... pathetic lot


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    #2712
    Siamsa Sessions
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,786 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    wrangler wrote: »
    People should stop all this whinig over one bloody day,
    In famine times people left and never saw their family again, now they have every possible method to stay in contact.
    Anyone flying in now are selfish in the extreme ...... pathetic lot

    Different times and different people with different stresses these days, but I agree with your point - not getting "home for Xmas" won't kill anyone, but getting home might!

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



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    #2713
    Siamsa Sessions
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,786 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    yosemitesam1 wrote: »
    There's a saying in microbiology that everything is everywhere but the environment selects.
    What is really being seen with this new variant could just be random, it could be that some variants might be more favoured in the summer/autumn compared to the winter (but average out at same transmission rates overall) or it could be just noise thats being wrongly interpreted.
    All of the above are much much more likely answers than what they are saying

    Imagine if the news reports stated something as straightforward and non-dramatic as this? There'd be much less stress on everyone.

    But that'd be boring and the news media are competing with the Kardashians, Liverpool vs Man City, and Sky's latest flashy series (whatever it is this week), so they go with drama and "the end is nigh" to try get people's attention. Plus RTE has dozens of staff and they need something to do.

    Switch off the news!

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



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    #2714
    yosemitesam1
    Registered Users Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Siamsa Sessions wrote: »
    Imagine if the news reports stated something as straightforward and non-dramatic as this? There'd be much less stress on everyone.

    But that'd be boring and the news media are competing with the Kardashians, Liverpool vs Man City, and Sky's latest flashy series (whatever it is this week), so they go with drama and "the end is nigh" to try get people's attention. Plus RTE has dozens of staff and they need something to do.

    Switch off the news!

    If a salesman walked into anyones yard and told them x product COULD be up to 70% more effective than y product according to a survey (not even a trial). Who would buy?

    The more cynical side of me says that this is being brought about to regain the sort of control that was had over the population back in spring as restrictions are getting less and less effective at actually reducing peoples activity.
    Could also be a bit to hype up how the vaccine is the only solution or take focus away from Brexit discussions...


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    #2715
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,415 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    The indications are, that the new variant adds 0.4 to the R number. So a R 1 becomes an R 1.4. To get an R 1 of the new variant is the equivalent of getting our R number to 0.6.


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    #2716
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,773 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    mandrake04 wrote: »
    To be fair that's not exactly true, Australia only closed border to foreigners there is still 6500 citizens a week flying into Australia.. sure they are managed in quarantine for 14 days which many don't really mind if it helps keep cases manageable.

    but there is definitely no army on the streets


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-53174827

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    #2717
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,415 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-53174827

    TMK Mandrake lives there.


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    #2718
    mandrake04
    Registered Users Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-53174827

    I live in Australia

    Army and Navy act as security for quarantine hotels, not on the streets.


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    #2719
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,773 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    mandrake04 wrote: »
    I live in Australia

    Army and Navy act as security for quarantine hotels, not on the streets.

    I was told they were, by someone who has a close relative living there. Sydney, I believe.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    #2720
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,415 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    2.2M doses of Pfizer will be EU authorised for Ireland this evening and 880,000 Moderna around Jan 6th. That's enough for 1.5 M people.


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    #2721
    alps
    Registered Users Posts: 5,018 ✭✭✭alps


    Water John wrote: »
    2.2M doses of Pfizer will be EU authorised for Ireland this evening and 880,000 Moderna around Jan 6th. That's enough for 1.5 M people.

    Should let farmers administer it....only people who can do 100 an hour..

    Seriously though...I've yet to see anyone comment on the numbers to be completed daily....38,000 per day (5 day week) to have everyone done by the end of 2021..

    This talk of adding it on top of GP and pharmacy workload seems nonsensical....how the GP's can even contemplate looking for the work is beyond me when you consider how difficult it is to get an appointment for everyday ailments..


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    #2722
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,415 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    alps wrote: »
    Should let farmers administer it....only people who can do 100 an hour..

    Seriously though...I've yet to see anyone comment on the numbers to be completed daily....38,000 per day (5 day week) to have everyone done by the end of 2021..

    This talk of adding it on top of GP and pharmacy workload seems nonsensical....how the GP's can even contemplate looking for the work is beyond me when you consider how difficult it is to get an appointment for everyday ailments..

    There are 1/2 nurses in most GP practices. Along with pharmacists, that puts in excess of 10 vaccinators in each town without asking any doctors.


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    #2723
    ectoraige
    Registered Users Posts: 2,100 ✭✭✭ectoraige


    Water John wrote: »
    The indications are, that the new variant adds 0.4 to the R number. So a R 1 becomes an R 1.4. To get an R 1 of the new variant is the equivalent of getting our R number to 0.6.

    The 0.4 isn't a nailed down figure for the new variant, they are looking at between 0.4 and 0.9 as being the addend. It's the potential for 0.9 that's scaring the bejeesus out of health authorities.


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    #2724
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,415 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    The 0.4 I had sourced from the Guardian, hadn't heard mention of 0.9.
    0.9 would mean very high transmission, like measles.


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    #2725
    ectoraige
    Registered Users Posts: 2,100 ✭✭✭ectoraige


    The New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threat Analysis Group (NERVTAG) in the UK met on the 18th and included this in their summary:
    Studies of correlation between R-values and detection of the variant: which suggest an absolute increase in the R-value of between 0.39 to 0.93.

    This is still under investigation, but the precautionary principle is being applied due to the potential for rapid exponential growth which would again overwhelm health systems.


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    #2726
    yosemitesam1
    Registered Users Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/scientists-mps-ask-where-evidence-70-more-contagious-mutant-covid


    Worth reading...


    There doesnt seem to be any published evidence of how they came to the conclusion that it's more infective. Nobody really understands what causes different strains of the same pathogen to predominate over eachother. But diversity is a given with any pathogen, so why lose our sh1t over this one mutation. The precautionary principle is not a valid reason, only solid data would be.


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    #2727
    endainoz
    Registered Users Posts: 4,979 ✭✭✭endainoz


    yosemitesam1 wrote: »
    https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/scientists-mps-ask-where-evidence-70-more-contagious-mutant-covid


    Worth reading...


    There doesnt seem to be any published evidence of how they came to the conclusion that it's more infective. Nobody really understands what causes different strains of the same pathogen to predominate over eachother. But diversity is a given with any pathogen, so why lose our sh1t over this one mutation. The precautionary principle is not a valid reason, only solid data would be.

    I loved him in Fight Club, seriously man you clearly do have great knowledge of these things without linking websites with no credibility that quotes the daily mail.


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    #2728
    yosemitesam1
    Registered Users Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    endainoz wrote: »
    I loved him in Fight Club, seriously man you clearly do have great knowledge of these things without linking websites with no credibility that quotes the daily mail.

    That particular article is sound and everything in it is worth considering even if it's not the most respectable source out there


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    #2729
    endainoz
    Registered Users Posts: 4,979 ✭✭✭endainoz


    yosemitesam1 wrote: »
    That particular article is sound and everything in it is worth considering even if it's not the most respectable source out there

    I'm not giving an article any attention when the author is a fictional character.


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    #2730
    orm0nd
    Registered Users Posts: 4,198 ✭✭✭orm0nd


    Water John wrote: »
    There are 1/2 nurses in most GP practices. Along with pharmacists, that puts in excess of 10 vaccinators in each town without asking any doctors.

    I reckon there will be have to designated centres set up,

    storage is the big issue, I can't see -70c facilities being available at small scale outlets


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    #2731
    NcdJd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭NcdJd


    orm0nd wrote: »
    I reckon there will be have to designated centres set up,

    storage is the big issue, I can't see -70c facilities being available at small scale outlets

    Not a problem with dry ice. Will last up to 5 days before the dry ice needs to be changed. At that stage the you'd hope the vials would have been used. The logistics infrastructure is in place already.


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