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    #3152
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,714 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Stewball wrote: »
    And those people are clowns.

    Far from it they are 100% correct. We need to take this very very seriously and come at it hard and fast.


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    #3153
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users Posts: 2,275 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Nox is having a field day today on here I see. People out socialising & disobeying the rules! Let’s go full on China & authoritarian. Every post is always filled with this suggestion.

    1. How many cases are in hospital right now in Galway diagnosed with Covid 19?
    2. How many are symptomatic? As anyone I’ve heard of being a case doesn’t even have symptoms.
    3. How many are in ICU in Galway?
    4. If you look at Galway’s case incidence, it’s not that bad. Why all the jumping up & down about it?
    5. Why would any civilised society want to relinquish their rights & incite violence and societal breakdown with talk of the army on streets.
    People need to take personal responsibility for themselves in the current situation.

    Where is the HSE’s extra capacity for the winter if this virus is worth destroying our lives over?


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    #3154
    zell12
    Registered Users Posts: 25,177 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Glenomra wrote: »
    But he's a public representative for Galway.
    Stop saying that!
    Even GBFM cut him off mid-rant


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    #3155
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,714 ✭ [Deleted User]


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    People need to take personal responsibility for themselves in the current situation.

    If people were doing this then we would not be here talking about the spanish arch crowds last night as it would not have happened. Everyone there would have been at home (in their home houses not in student houses) watching tv and limiting their social contacts.


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    #3156
    Gadgetman496
    Registered Users Posts: 8,398 ✭✭✭Gadgetman496


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    People need to take personal responsibility for themselves in the current situation.

    And when they don't someone needs to step in and do it for them.

    Their lack of care is not only a danger to themselves, it's potentially dangerous to many other innocent individuals.

    "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."



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    #3157
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Uncivil post deleted (incl quoting posts)


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    #3158
    Laviski
    Registered Users Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭Laviski


    Guards just need to get stuck in
    get 20/30 of them
    Take their names,
    Release them
    Pass their names to nuig gmit
    They get expelled.

    Some will need to be made an example of unfortunately.
    If they risk the future of older vulnerable people, then they risk their own future that they wish to fulfil through college.


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    #3159
    Gadgetman496
    Registered Users Posts: 8,398 ✭✭✭Gadgetman496


    Laviski wrote: »
    Guards just need to get stuck in
    get 20/30 of them
    Take their names,
    Release them
    Pass their names to nuig gmit
    They get expelled.

    Some will need to be made an example of unfortunately.
    If they risk the future of older vulnerable people, then they risk their own future that they wish to fulfil through college.

    They are not just risking the future of older vulnerable people, they are risking everybody potentially.

    "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."



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    #3160
    Pen Rua
    Registered Users Posts: 1,991 ✭✭✭Pen Rua


    Laviski wrote: »
    Guards just need to get stuck in
    get 20/30 of them
    Take their names,
    Release them
    Pass their names to nuig gmit
    They get expelled.

    Some will need to be made an example of unfortunately.
    If they risk the future of older vulnerable people, then they risk their own future that they wish to fulfil through college.

    What laws have they broken for the Gardai to take names / arrest them?


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    #3161
    Arghus
    Registered Users Posts: 14,521 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    Nox is having a field day today on here I see. People out socialising & disobeying the rules! Let’s go full on China & authoritarian. Every post is always filled with this suggestion.

    1. How many cases are in hospital right now in Galway diagnosed with Covid 19?
    2. How many are symptomatic? As anyone I’ve heard of being a case doesn’t even have symptoms.
    3. How many are in ICU in Galway?
    4. If you look at Galway’s case incidence, it’s not that bad. Why all the jumping up & down about it?
    5. Why would any civilised society want to relinquish their rights & incite violence and societal breakdown with talk of the army on streets.
    People need to take personal responsibility for themselves in the current situation.

    Where is the HSE’s extra capacity for the winter of this virus is worth destroying our lives over?

    Surely though it's beginning to become obvious at this point that merely hoping for people to take personal responsibility isn't going to be enough

    Galway's case incidence since the start of this has been surprisingly low, but it is now rising rapidly. Case numbers have gone up by 94% in the past week. It's frequently now amongst the counties with the highest daily case numbers. That's the issue, Galway city is basically at a tipping point right now.

    "Anyone I've heard of doesn't even have symptoms" - it's only a flu right?

    Well, no. The simple fact is that hospital numbers have begun to steadily rise across the country again and that if we keep going as we're going we are going to hit our ceiling for a functional hospital system at some stage. You can argue about how bad it really is and what not, but as the virus spreads, it sends more and more people to hospital. And we will eventually run out of capacity, it's a mathematical certainty. Letting it rip is simply not going to happen. The consequences would be disastrous.

    Simply conjuring up extra capacity isn't as piss easy as it sounds. Beds need nurses, doctors, funding, training, space - and most hospitals already have less space to work with and are already dealing with a backlog from earlier in the year. And Covid poses a unique set of challenges to the health service: a case in a ward means a ward is out of commission for a period, the risk of health are contracting it is huge. The best equipped health services in the world would find it difficult to deal with this. And we're already sleepwalking into a brutal Winter.

    Personal responsibility, yeah, great, I'm all for personal responsibility, but here's the truth of it: a lot of people won't behave responsibly.


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    #3162
    Fitz*
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    Pen Rua wrote: »
    What laws have they broken for the Gardai to take names / arrest them?

    Drinking alcohol in public.

    But that said, drinking cans down the sparch is a massive Galway tradition and so some leeway is given here traditionally, and rightfully so. More bins, recycling bins and public toiletss should be installed here, in both arches. Even in current days, if there are groups of 4 or 5 outside minding their own business, I would turn a blind eye. But when that turns into 400 or 500 then a massive problem arises.

    From seeing what happened in Sligo last week with lots of big house parties in small tight houses, I did think that something like this would happen. Galway has a larger student population also a high number of people who travel long distances to live in the city while studying also. Any student from Clare, Mayo, Roscommon, Donegal, Laois etc are going to move here to study. Studying online is not really an option for those students, if they have any sort of a practical course with hands on work to do. At least last night's scenes were outdoors, but it is what follows the outdoors is the worry. How many student houses were packed til all hours with 50 people inside? Where did all those people go to today?

    One thing that I think people are ignoring is that this is fresher's week. First time away from home and the licence to do what you want, where you want and with you want is now available for the first time for the majority of these people. No mammy to tell you off. I know that if I was 17 or 18, I would probably be in the thick of it. Lord knows what my mother, or posters here, would think if I told stories of my first few nights of college as a green 17 year old. To be fair, an awful lot of us would have acted the same as those last night.

    Also, I think the uproar around this today is only going to promote more indoor large scale house parties within the student population IMO.


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    #3163
    Laviski
    Registered Users Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭Laviski


    Pen Rua wrote: »
    What laws have they broken for the Gardai to take names / arrest them?

    Drinking in public -local laws by council
    Drunk in a public place
    Refusing to leave area after being directed to do so.

    I would agree the 1947 public health laws need to be beefed up, as only those organising event could be tackled


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    #3164
    Hulk Hands
    Registered Users Posts: 6,016 ✭✭✭Hulk Hands


    Arghus wrote: »
    Surely though it's beginning to become obvious at this point that merely hoping for people to take personal responsibility isn't going to be enough

    Galway's case incidence since the start of this has been surprisingly low, but it is now rising rapidly. Case numbers have gone up by 94% in the past week. It's frequently now amongst the counties with the highest daily case numbers. That's the issue, Galway city is basically at a tipping point right now.

    This is nonsense. As of Friday, the City's incidence rate was 26 per 100k. Slightly higher than the lowest rate in the country, Tipperary at 20 per 100k. Donegal's is 185 and Dublin's is 153. Galway's cases, which are not all that high, are in towns in the east/south of the county.

    https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1309957192485933060/photo/3


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    #3165
    cefh17
    Registered Users Posts: 990 ✭✭✭cefh17


    Hulk Hands wrote: »
    This is nonsense. As of Friday, the City's incidence rate was 26 per 100k. Slightly higher than the lowest rate in the country, Tipperary at 20 per 100k. Donegal's is 185 and Dublin's is 153. Galway's cases, which are not all that high, are in towns in the east/south of the county.

    https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1309957192485933060/photo/3

    61.6 now
    https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1310932704003870721/photo/1


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    #3166
    hynesie08
    Registered Users Posts: 9,791 ✭✭✭hynesie08


    Laviski wrote: »
    Guards just need to get stuck in
    get 20/30 of them
    Take their names,
    Release them
    Pass their names to nuig gmit
    They get expelled.

    Some will need to be made an example of unfortunately.
    If they risk the future of older vulnerable people, then they risk their own future that they wish to fulfil through college.


    What grounds would they be expelled on??


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    #3167
    Hulk Hands
    Registered Users Posts: 6,016 ✭✭✭Hulk Hands


    cefh17 wrote: »
    61.6 now
    https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1310932704003870721/photo/1

    That's per the county, and still only 1/3rd of the supposed hotspots. We're referring to the city specifically


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    #3168
    zell12
    Registered Users Posts: 25,177 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Ollie Crowe currently moaning on Newstalk
    Presenter called army deployment as "that's nuts" and "utterly ludicrous"


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    #3169
    Laviski
    Registered Users Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭Laviski


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    What grounds would they be expelled on??

    Read statements from nuig and gmit,
    Not adhering to public health subject to discipline which includes expulsion


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    #3170
    _Whimsical_
    Registered Users Posts: 7,953 ✭✭✭_Whimsical_


    Hulk Hands wrote: »
    This is nonsense. As of Friday, the City's incidence rate was 26 per 100k. Slightly higher than the lowest rate in the country, Tipperary at 20 per 100k. Donegal's is 185 and Dublin's is 153. Galway's cases, which are not all that high, are in towns in the east/south of the county.

    https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1309957192485933060/photo/3

    Those figures reflect cases in the two weeks leading upto sept 21st. A long time ago now. The increase in cases in the past two weeks here has been 94%. It was explained on the news last night that while figures in themselves are not very worrying in Galway the very rapid increase is very troubling and needs to be stopped for obvious reasons.

    They also mentioned at yesterday's press conference that ONE person had gone to a party and infected 56 people. We are talking about something extremely infectious with a possibility for disaster in a short period of time if that increase is not moderated.


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    #3171
    Mrs OBumble
    Registered Users Posts: 25,957 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    What grounds would they be expelled on??

    Having demonstrated that they lack either the cognitive competence or impluse control to benefit from tertiary education.


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    #3172
    JohnCleary
    Registered Users Posts: 10,210 ✭✭✭✭JohnCleary


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    What grounds would they be expelled on??

    Drinking in a public area, which is an offence in itself.

    Committing an offence would, for sure, go against the NUIG Code of Conduct.


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    #3173
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Quarter of virus cases over last two weeks among 15 to 24-year-olds

    The highest number of cases reported in this two-week period is among 15 to 24-year-olds with 984 cases among that age group.
    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0928/1167952-virus-stats/

    Young people aren't immune but they probably think they are.


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    #3174
    _Whimsical_
    Registered Users Posts: 7,953 ✭✭✭_Whimsical_


    It's not just older people either.

    Long haul Covid is a very nasty thing too. Yesterday a Dr from St James said that they are currently doing research and monitoring people who contracted the virus in March and 50% are not better now. Many have not returned to work. You are equally likely to get it if you had a mild dose as if you were in ICU. On the news today a Dr spoke about it and said young patients are reporting being so fatugued and ill that they need to return to bed after having a shower even months after the virus.

    Imagine the consequences of that for our personal lives.
    And then the consequences of it for society if 50% of our health staff and teachers were long term absent struggling to recover normal function.

    People still talking about it only being a threat to elderly or being a flu etc are just not reading or listening to news anymore.


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    #3175
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users Posts: 2,275 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Arghus wrote: »
    Surely though it's beginning to become obvious at this point that merely hoping for people to take personal responsibility isn't going to be enough

    Galway's case incidence since the start of this has been surprisingly low, but it is now rising rapidly. Case numbers have gone up by 94% in the past week. It's frequently now amongst the counties with the highest daily case numbers. That's the issue, Galway city is basically at a tipping point right now.

    "Anyone I've heard of doesn't even have symptoms" - it's only a flu right?

    Well, no. The simple fact is that hospital numbers have begun to steadily rise across the country again and that if we keep going as we're going we are going to hit our ceiling for a functional hospital system at some stage. You can argue about how bad it really is and what not, but as the virus spreads, it sends more and more people to hospital. And we will eventually run out of capacity, it's a mathematical certainty. Letting it rip is simply not going to happen. The consequences would be disastrous.

    Simply conjuring up extra capacity isn't as piss easy as it sounds. Beds need nurses, doctors, funding, training, space - and most hospitals already have less space to work with and are already dealing with a backlog from earlier in the year. And Covid poses a unique set of challenges to the health service: a case in a ward means a ward is out of commission for a period, the risk of health are contracting it is huge. The best equipped health services in the world would find it difficult to deal with this. And we're already sleepwalking into a brutal Winter.

    Personal responsibility, yeah, great, I'm all for personal responsibility, but here's the truth of it: a lot of people won't behave responsibly.

    I really don't understand your position I'm afraid. The facts and data speak for themselves. The death rate of this virus for anyone under 60 is lower than flu - look at the CDC website for a breakdown. This is the vast majority of the school going and working population. This is a fact, not fiction which is what Tomás Ryan peddled on Prime Time last week - claiming death rate was 10 times that of flu, and also claiming 100s of children would die. They have not been called out though or lost their jobs over their lies. The data is out there and facts don't lie.
    NPHET have had to resort to finding anecdotal evidence and wheeling out anyone they can find that was affected badly by the virus, so that's my own anecdotal evidence too. No-one I know as a confirmed case has had any symptoms. NPHET and the HSE have not provided us with facts re hospitalised cases currently in Galway, asymptomatic cases, ICU, anything. How can you continue to tow the line that is not backed up by evidence at this point?

    The councillors act of desperation to generate something to be outraged about - the students at Spanish Arch, as the basis for level 3...closing countless businesses, limiting travel, etc. This is a joke. People I've talked to today all agree this has been ongoing throughout the crisis, but suddenly it's time to get outraged...


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    #3176
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Laviski wrote: »
    Read statements from nuig and gmit,
    Not adhering to public health subject to discipline which includes expulsion

    How will nuig and gmit enforce this?

    I agree with it by the way. I think it's a good one. I don't know how they will enforce it. Also legally, can they force students to comply with the public health guidelines when the students are not on the grounds of the colleges?


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    #3177
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    Posts: 24,714 ✭ [Deleted User]


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    What grounds would they be expelled on??

    NUIG have stated that failing to adhere to public health guidelines is grounds for expulsion.


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    #3178
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users Posts: 2,275 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    owlbethere wrote: »
    How will nuig and gmit enforce this?

    I agree with it by the way. I think it's a good one. I don't know how they will enforce it. Also legally, can they force students to comply with the public health guidelines when the students are not on the grounds of the colleges?

    I know, let's expel all the students who didn't get to sit an exam this year - great idea! How about we just 'hire in' oh I mean 'make spaces available' for some rich international students and educate them instead. It's not like we need people in Ireland educated judging by some of the comments on here. Ireland clearly needs to turn into a Communist State, and get the army on the streets to bully and harass those who 'don't follow the rules', rules which are actually not law as they're against our civil liberties, they're guidelines.


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    #3179
    Arghus
    Registered Users Posts: 14,521 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Hulk Hands wrote: »
    This is nonsense. As of Friday, the City's incidence rate was 26 per 100k. Slightly higher than the lowest rate in the country, Tipperary at 20 per 100k. Donegal's is 185 and Dublin's is 153. Galway's cases, which are not all that high, are in towns in the east/south of the county.

    https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1309957192485933060/photo/3

    I'm afraid it's not nonsense. Look at Galway's numbers over the last two weeks. Have you not being paying attention?


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    #3180
    Arghus
    Registered Users Posts: 14,521 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    I really don't understand your position I'm afraid. The facts and data speak for themselves. The death rate of this virus for anyone under 60 is lower than flu - look at the CDC website for a breakdown. This is the vast majority of the school going and working population. This is a fact, not fiction which is what Tomás Ryan peddled on Prime Time last week - claiming death rate was 10 times that of flu, and also claiming 100s of children would die. They have not been called out though or lost their jobs over their lies. The data is out there and facts don't lie.
    NPHET have had to resort to finding anecdotal evidence and wheeling out anyone they can find that was affected badly by the virus, so that's my own anecdotal evidence too. No-one I know as a confirmed case has had any symptoms. NPHET and the HSE have not provided us with facts re hospitalised cases currently in Galway, asymptomatic cases, ICU, anything. How can you continue to tow the line that is not backed up by evidence at this point?

    The councillors act of desperation to generate something to be outraged about - the students at Spanish Arch, as the basis for level 3...closing countless businesses, limiting travel, etc. This is a joke. People I've talked to today all agree this has been ongoing throughout the crisis, but suddenly it's time to get outraged...

    You talk about evidence. The facts are that hospital admissions have quadrupled in the last month across the country - the information is published every day. These are facts. And the numbers are still increasing. We don't have infinite supply in our health system. We will simply run out of capacity if we keep going on our current trajectory. It's really very simple. I know Covid poses a limited risk to those under a certain age, but that's not the real issue. The issue is our health systems capacity to survive and function over the Winter. Covid might pose little risk to 90% of people, but it poses a risk to enough people to basically collapse the health system and it's highly infectious and grows exponentially. That's the risk. It's basic, basic stuff. How you don't get that is amazing to me.


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    #3181
    hynesie08
    Registered Users Posts: 9,791 ✭✭✭hynesie08


    Laviski wrote: »
    Read statements from nuig and gmit,
    Not adhering to public health subject to discipline which includes expulsion
    JohnCleary wrote: »
    Drinking in a public area, which is an offence in itself.

    Committing an offence would, for sure, go against the NUIG Code of Conduct.
    Fernando Muscular Sibilant wrote: »
    NUIG have stated that failing to adhere to public health guidelines is grounds for expulsion.

    I assume NUIG have expelled every student who drank on the streets during rag week then? Cause if not they have no power to do it now.


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