Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

dougm1970

ok... listening to newstalk and the presenter 'ciara'...if my view is wrong on following i'm sure i'll be corrected here.

when i turned the radio on a mother with two kids was speaking, she had a dry cough and you could clearly hear it during interview...i didnt get start of interview but the jist of it that i got was she felt fine apart from she had this dry cough.....ciara replied that she (ciara) was no health professional but the caller likely had a cold and not to worry.

then an hour later an old lady aged 71 rang in, she said she had other health issues but also now had flu like symptoms...she was asking if the virus could be passed on clothes and bags, ciara said it could but a short virus life on those items...ciara seemed rushed speaking with her and told her to mind herself.

now....my questions to you good posters...

1. if the younger mother had a dry cough, is this not one of the symptoms of the virus ?...i read somewhere you could only get tested in this country if you meet certain criteria and symptoms werent enough, you had to have been in contact with someone from an infected country or someone with the virus...have i got that right ?....its making me wonder how the 'community' based positive cases got tested, if they didnt meet the criteria.

2. is the correct advice to someone with say a dry cough that its likely just a cold...is there a risk factor that it could be the virus and the, albeit healthy young mother, is a carrier in her community ?....i know huge numbers with coughs across the country getting tested seems unworkable.

i suppose my questions come back to how the community based cases got tested and whats right advice to someone with symptoms.

Downlinz

Ipso wrote: »

Gwan Wuhan.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0310/1121281-coronavirus-world/

It shows the virus can be contained and relatively quickly. We just need the political will and public cooperation to shut things down to make it happen.

igCorcaigh

6th death in uk

CFR of about 1.8pc

JDD

I agree with an early lockdown. Not a total lockdown like Italy, but close schools, ask employers to get their employees to work from home if possible, ban gatherings of over 100, ask those flying in from France/Spain/Germany (and possibly the UK if things get worse quicker there than here) to self isolate on their return. Perhaps say that the government will look at some sort of package for self-employed workers i.e. pause mortgage payments, like in Italy.

I get that the government are worried about lockdown fatigue - i.e. that people will get bored after two weeks and will start congregating socially just at the peak of the infection period. But I think they should try to have more faith in us than that. Come right out and say, on a televised broadcast if they must, saying that they've decided to take this step early and hopefully it will stop the worst of the epidemic. I think people would trust that.

Yes, the economy will take a hit. But maybe if we keep this epidemic at a dull roar in comparison to other countries, we might not spend all the €2bn we've earmarked for health care (where did that money come from, by the way?).

I'm not saying a month at home would be an

Strazdas

givyjoe wrote: »

Wouldn't really give that opinion much weight.

But even scientists were divided. For every one of them saying shut down the country, there would have been another saying it was totally unnecessary.

It's very easy to be wise after the event.

givyjoe

Mic 1972 wrote: »

France is doing very little testing, it's scary considering how bad the situation is in France

Very strange, it seems as though Macron gave up, before even trying, to contain it.

Stevieluvsye

dougm1970 wrote: »

ok... listening to newstalk and the presenter 'ciara'...if my view is wrong on following i'm sure i'll be corrected here.

when i turned the radio on a mother with two kids was speaking, she had a dry cough and you could clearly hear it during interview...i didnt get start of interview but the jist of it that i got was she felt fine apart from she had this dry cough.....ciara replied that she (ciara) was no health professional but the caller likely had a cold and not to worry.

then an hour later an old lady aged 71 rang in, she said she had other health issues but also now had flu like symptoms...she was asking if the virus could be passed on clothes and bags, ciara said it could but a short virus life on those items...ciara seemed rushed speaking with her and told her to mind herself.

now....my questions to you good posters...

1. if the younger mother had a dry cough, is this not one of the symptoms of the virus ?...i read somewhere you could only get tested in this country if you meet certain criteria and symptoms werent enough, you had to have been in contact with someone from an infected country or someone with the virus...have i got that right ?....its making me wonder how the 'community' based positive cases got tested, if they didnt meet the criteria.

2. is the correct advice to someone with say a dry cough that its likely just a cold...is there a risk factor that it could be the virus and the, albeit healthy young mother, is a carrier in her community ?....i know huge numbers with coughs across the country getting tested seems unworkable.

i suppose my questions come back to how the community based cases got tested and whats right advice to someone with symptoms.

My question to you is why the fcuk are people looking for advice from a DJ?

pjohnson

Apparently companies are telling employees to take two weeks off after Cheltenham before coming back to work.

Dunno why there aren't being told not to come back at all.

ArchXStanton

Strazdas wrote: »

Shutting down a country in itself poses risks to the nation. It could cause fatalities and some people to become unwell.....people being quarantined to this degree is unnatural and unhealthy.

You think the images coming out of China would have served as a warning... But nah sure fcuk it, it'll be grand..

Ipso

facehugger99 wrote: »

What do the hysterical earlier threads prove exactly?

I wonder what predictions from the early ones had Irelands infection rate at now?

banie01

Wibbs wrote: »

Banie, I've had dealings with a few arms of government and politicians down the years and I hate to say it but the majority are scarily and I do mean scarily ignorant/stupid/uninformed beyond glad handing and the parish pump bollocks that gets them back in to power(that's at the "higher end", local counsellors are more like a room full of special needs people and jobsworths). On that basis we're fooked essentially.

Unfortunately, my own experience would be the same.
Professional life would have seen a lot of contact with minister's, the CS and the regulator for my last industry...

All basically competent but always reacting, very little proactive policy or leadership ever on display and when there was?

The "leader" was usually managed out of their role.

blade1

completedit wrote: »

It’s a farce, I rang them up, have a headache, been using public transport, was out in town at two big gatherings over the weekend and they won’t test it. Don’t know if I have the flu or not.

Stay in and isolate if you're worried.
They can't see every hypochondriac that claims to have it.

facehugger99

dougm1970 wrote: »

2. is the correct advice to someone with say a dry cough that its likely just a cold...

Of course that's the correct advice because that's the overwhelmingly most likely scenario.

The alternative approach is akin to suggesting that nobody ever gets into a car because there's a risk you might get killed in a road accident.

One thing this virus has proven once again, is that humans are inherently bad at judging risk.

completedit

Economies will recover. A sharp short bit of pain that fades in comparison to 2008. Sometimes you have to adapt to the situation that we find ourselves in. Nature doesn’t care for our economy. Take the hit, shut down and stop this from spreading, Ireland is in a much better situation than Wuhan to be able to do this if people can just have a bit of sense and think of the greater good. Needs to be support for all the workers who will find themselves out of pocket very soon. I’m barely okay. Have a bit of savings but on a zero hour contract.

autumnbelle

Bob24 wrote: »

Just heard they tested positive after coming back from a skiing trip in Italy.

Know of this family too Bob I wonder will they be in todays figures

givyjoe

facehugger99 wrote: »

What do the hysterical earlier threads prove exactly?

I think you need to have a google of that word. The vast, vasty majority of the posts in earlier threads were concerns based on facts and what was happening on China, would happen elsewhere. What a shock.. it IS happening elsewhere. :rolleyes:

Hodors Appletart

police stations will start to close here on the weekend of the 27/28th March as all the Gardaí on OT for the 17th develop symptoms.

OneEightSeven

Woke Hogan wrote: »

Any word on the alleged exposure to the virus at the Blindboy gig?

People who attended Blindboy podcast in Ennis required to self-isolate due to coronavirus

WAZZA1989

Naas Hospital reportedly to have a infected patient

Tootsie_1

Spain has 415 new cases today ...

1641

I had a read of Stacking the Coffins re the Spanish Flu in Ireland (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Stacking-Coffins-Influenza-Revolution-Ireland/dp/1526122693)

It refers to some modelling done in 2006 by a expert group led by a Prof from the NVRL on the possible impact of another major Flu epidemic here. The figures may be of interest. Two scenarios, both based on an Irish pop of 4.23 million.

First scenario. A Flu with a clinical attack rate of 25% and a fatality rate of 0.55%. This predicted 3,217 deaths.

Second scenario. A Flu with a clinical attack rate of 50% and a fatality rate of 2.5%. This predicted 52,937 deaths.

The book's author suggested a possible problem with the model was that it was based on the pattern of spread of epidemics in England and Wales in 1957 and 1969-70. The suggestion is that the population density and dispersal here might produce different outcomes.

Still sobering figures, especially the second scenario, in which the fatality rate seems similar to this Covid. I am not sure about the infection rate? Also, I think our total pop (Republic) is closer to 5 million now.

facehugger99

givyjoe wrote: »

I think you need to have a google of that word. The vast, vasty majority of the posts in earlier threads were concerns based on facts and what was happening on China, would happen elsewhere. What a shock.. it IS happening elsewhere. :rolleyes:

Do you have this weeks' lottery numbers by any chance Nostradamus?

otnomart

Question:
Does anyone know if the HSE has sequenced the samples from the first patients ?

"A country may have many #hCoV19 cases, but may not have sequenced any of them".

https://twitter.com/nextstrain/status/1237314360856449025

completedit

blade1 wrote: »

Stay in and isolate if you're worried.
They can't see every hypochondriac that claims to have it.

But they are either trying to curb it or not. I’m not selfish so took off work but I’m on a zero hour contract. I want to know that when I’m grand in a few days, it’s okay for me to go back to making money. Right now, once I’m out of bed, I’ll be thinking of going back to work.

Stevieluvsye

Hodors Appletart wrote: »

police stations will start to close here on the weekend of the 27/28th March as all the Gardaí on OT for the 17th develop symptoms.

No OT will be needed

laugh

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

My question to you is why the fcuk are people looking for advice from a DJ?

She's a doctor.

givyjoe

Strazdas wrote: »

But even scientists were divided. For every one of them saying shut down the country, there would have been another saying it was totally unnecessary.

It's very easy to be wise after the event.

We literally have a test case to inform us on what to do, and how to do it. Isn't really that difficult. We are just delaying the inevitable, in the hope, that it doesn't happen.

ldy4mxonucwsq6

Trinity cancels all lectures from tomorrow onwards, only a matter of times before the same happens for the rest of schools and colleges.

Strazdas

ArchXStanton wrote: »

You think the images coming out of China would have served as a warning... But nah sure fcuk it, it'll be grand..

Where has anyone on the thread said this week "it will be grand". Stop generalising. There is a virus in Europe and it is killing people and nobody is denying it is happening.

Grab All Association

OneEightSeven wrote: »

People who attended Blindboy podcast in Ennis required to self-isolate due to coronavirus

What about the people who listened to it?

Ipso

Strazdas wrote: »

But even scientists were divided. For every one of them saying shut down the country, there would have been another saying it was totally unnecessary.

It's very easy to be wise after the event.

If there was a massive shut down and the worse case didn’t materialize, you would end up with a sh1t load of people moaning. Then when another virus comes along and a shut down or serious action is suggested, people will bring up the old false alarm.

ArchXStanton

completedit wrote: »

Economies will recover. A sharp short bit of pain that fades in comparison to 2008. Sometimes you have to adapt to the situation that we find ourselves in. Nature doesn’t care for our economy. Take the hit, shut down and stop this from spreading, Ireland is in a much better situation than Wuhan to be able to do this if people can just have a bit of sense and think of the greater good. Needs to be support for all the workers who will find themselves out of pocket very soon. I’m barely okay. Have a bit of savings but on a zero hour contract.

Ireland lacks that Asian mentality were they fall into line for the common good, hell you could say most of the western world does. Look at the difference in people's behaviour from the Japan tsunami and the hurricane in New Orleans, no looting or anything of the sort in Japan.

joe40

I'm certainly no cheerleader for our politician but in this instance they seem to have been following the medical/scientific advice, not just from Ireland but Europe as well. Easy to call people stupid from the sidelines.

There have been no instances that I know of, where there was a large consensus of scientific opinion advising one course of action with, our politicians going against the advice.
In fact at every opportunity they are wheeling out the medics/scientists to give the advice and updates.

givyjoe

facehugger99 wrote: »

Do you have this weeks' lottery numbers by any chance Nostradamus?

The same numbers are coming up every week.

Spook_ie

It starts, shut down Ireland

https://www.tcd.ie/visitors/book-of-kells/

Covid-19 Notice
We wish to inform you that the Book of Kells and Old Library Exhibition will temporarily close to visitors until further notice. This is a precautionary measure to minimise the spread of Covid-19. This decision has been made to protect the health and safety of our visitors and the university community.

Existing ticket holders will be contacted regarding refunds via email.

We apologise for any inconvenience caused and thank you for your understanding.

Mic 1972

The Italian press literally begging people to stay home

https://www.corriere.it/cronache/20_marzo_10/coronavirus-dottoressa-che-ha-ritratto-l-infermiera-cremona-vorrei-che-questa-foto-fosse-invito-ad-aiutarci-come-restando-casa-fc6041ac-62ca-11ea-a693-c7191bf8b498.shtml

dublin99

Must be bad when the International Realist Conference 2020 in Dublin end of March is postponed.

https://realist2020.org/

Or are they just being realistic?:D:D

tom1ie

What’s the age breakdown for deaths in Italy at the minute?

Stevieluvsye

Treasure Grumpy Tie wrote: »

Trinity cancels all lectures from tomorrow onwards, only a matter of times before the same happens for the rest of schools and colleges.

My contact in the HSE reckons it will be from Friday

odyssey06

Treasure Grumpy Tie wrote: »

Trinity cancels all lectures from tomorrow onwards, only a matter of times before the same happens for the rest of schools and colleges.

That was the headline - in fact they just moved lectures online. Labs etc still going on but with distancing between students. It's not a shutdown.

Multipass

Tootsie_1 wrote: »

Spain has 415 new cases today ...

I have a weekly class where the teacher just said that she's going to Spain for Easter - because 'we're all going to get this eventually', and 'it's just like the flu'. I'm thinking I might not go back after Easter....

blade1

completedit wrote: »

But they are either trying to curb it or not. I’m not selfish so took off work but I’m on a zero hour contract. I want to know that when I’m grand in a few days, it’s okay for me to go back to making money. Right now, once I’m out of bed, I’ll be thinking of going back to work.

So you're not too worried about having it so.

Hodors Appletart

tom1ie wrote: »

What’s the age breakdown for deaths in Italy at the minute?

mostly 80+

Silent Running

Quick question: how many tests have we done to date, RTE have been saying "over 1000" for about a week now.

frillyleaf

givyjoe wrote: »

Why on earth is she still going?

What age is she and does she have anyone to look after her if she becomes very ill. She might be terrified and trying to escape from it especially if there is no one to look after her. If this isn’t the case I can’t understand why someone would put a family at risk like that. I know plenty of people that have cancelled holidays and trips incase they infect vulnerable people in their family such as grand parents

Tootsie_1

Multipass wrote: »

I have a weekly class where the teacher just said that she's going to Spain for Easter - because 'we're all going to get this eventually', and 'it's just like the flu'. I'm thinking I might not go back after Easter....

How irresponsible surely she would be advised not to come back to work for 2 weeks after ? Anyway god only knows what will be going on by Easter here or In Spain, she may well be going nowhere.

Beasty

HowardBeale wrote: »

There's so many factual inaccuracies you can't name one eh!.

Also I haven't offered any advice. Think vitamins and minerals boost the immune system, you dispute this?.

If so why?.

Also research in my own head as opposed to?. Research in my ankles?.

Ultimately all research is done in someone's head regardless of where or what the source is including all your research and everyone else's on planet earth that statement you made makes no sense.

Anyways You stick with the wet wipes and I'll stick with the vitamins and minerals eh!.

Do not post in this thread again

Miike

otnomart wrote: »

Question:
Does anyone know if the HSE has sequenced the samples from the first patients ?

"A country may have many #hCoV19 cases, but may not have sequenced any of them".

https://twitter.com/nextstrain/status/1237314360856449025

Can you tell me what you've taken from this? I dont get the relevance of it

otnomart

tom1ie wrote: »

What’s the age breakdown for deaths in Italy at the minute?

Italy publishes: number of tests; positives; hospitalised; in intensive care; age profile of victims; comorbidities of victims https://www.iss.it/coronavirus/-/asset_publisher/1SRKHcCJJQ7E/content/id/5292020? and http://opendatadpc.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/dae18c330e8e4093

caveat emptor

Strazdas wrote: »

But even scientists were divided. For every one of them saying shut down the country, there would have been another saying it was totally unnecessary.

It's very easy to be wise after the event.

Scientists can be bought and paid for. Same goes for academic research around any business. Smoking is not that bad. Sugar is not the problem, Fat is. Insecticides don't do damage etc.

Somebody has to pay for the research unfortunately. They don't take a hippocratic oath.

Best to triangulate any opinion and not follow experts blindly. Perfect example in this crisis is economy vs health. There is a balance to be stuck. We assume that economy takes precedence over health but that decision may damage economy more and in the long run. Time will tell.