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Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,653 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    tillyfilly wrote: »
    I'm in the office at work and some people are clearly sick,should I start wearing my back up mask and gloves?

    Self isolate for the next 2 weeks. That includes no more internet - its viruses are way too dangerous


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,947 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Denmark, a similar population to us seeing an exponential rise now in cases, hundreds. Someone posted yesterday that Denmark's geography, as a peninsula, works against them with this but it can easily be those figures in a few days here.

    If you are referring to my post on that particular country yesterday?
    Go back, read it again and try harder to actually understand it.

    If you are referring to a different post, I do apologize.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    We could assume hospitalization would be required for about 20% of those 1.9 million, and that 10% of those hospitalized would die.

    These rates may be erroneous, but they are unlikely to be at this stage. With around 119,000 cases, 66,000 recoveries, and 4,200 deaths we should have ample data at this stage have a reasonable to make predictions, and predictions are useful.

    For instance if those figures hold true, we would be looking at 380 thousand hospitalizations. I find it hard to believe that our health service would be in any state to cope with that.

    Let’s look at the Chinese numbers.
    90k cases out of a population of 1.4bn. That’s an infection rate of .006%

    Apply this rate to Ireland and you would have:
    32k cases out of a population of 5M.

    20% of 32k is 6,400 hospitalisation. 10% death rate of 6.4k is 640 victims.

    Of course these are VERY rough figures for a period of 3 months for China, but deaths and new cases have nearly stopped over there.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,852 ✭✭✭Steve F


    Yurt! wrote: »
    A vaccine by September would be best-case-scenario. Fingers crossed they can get it done and it's not rolled-out on a for-profit basis.

    Just a quick word on vaccine
    This won't be a magic bullet
    the seasonal 'flu vaccine only gives 50-60% protection.
    We will still need to take measures to "Push it back"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    We'll all be dead by then, according to some posters

    I've been following the threads the whole way, and while there are some chicken-littles, I don't believe anyone has said that.

    The worst case scenario is a grim one for the world economy, and most importantly the hundreds of thousands that would expire. You can cut it any way you like, the threat is there.


  • Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭laurah591


    Drumpot wrote: »
    I’m curious to know how much this will cost in the long run. You’d hope that it’s maybe 6 months disruption and even if there is a second wave in winter we would possibly be more prepared. With a potential vaccine possibly next summer let’s say this could really stagnate things for a year.

    If most countries go through something similar then they all have a similar problem to resolve. I would of thought it reasonable to assume that , like 2008, most things will recover. Tourism in particular should surely bounce back as it’s not like this virus is unique to Ireland.

    The only way it can cause as much or more damage as 2008 is if there is a contagion effect that causes other issues like lots of bank defaults (watch PCP finance possibly collapse) which is prob a bigger issue then what we will directly see. But on the flip side if everybody is suggesting the same perhaps there will be some sort of global reboot were debt isn’t necessarily written off but is remanaged (like they are sort of talking about doing)

    Locally tourist & hospitality sectors will be hit significantly which will have significant knock on impacts on unemployment and bank defaults which i would be sure will place additional stress on the national balance sheet and this is before further investment in Health - housing etc. How will this be paid for

    Internationally- market sentiment has been pointed towards the emergence of a global recesion for the last 12 months (inverse yield curve, technical recession recorded in Italy last year, borderline recession in Germany, slow down in Chinese economy coupled with serious debt issues, likewise India repoting slowing economy in 2019 and high debt levels in its public sector banks ); this virus is our 2020 Black Swan event and i do believe we wil see serious contagion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,570 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    Steve F wrote: »
    Forgot to say on my other post.Vaccine's don't stop viruses in their tracks they reduce the number of people contracting them
    The seasonal 'flu vaccine is only 50-60% effective
    When they eventually release one for Covid19 we won't be completely "out of the woods" That's the huge mistake we could make in the aftermath of all this.

    "We have a vaccine...it's all over" :(

    That's a bridge I for one will be happy to cross. It will be a minor miracle if there's a vaccine within 5 months. Some analysts have said there will not be a vaccine in 2020. This is partially due to the bleating there was about the swine flu vaccine which was rushed out before all the kinks were knocked out of it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Babooshka


    Yurt! wrote: »
    The horse has bolted now, but for future outbreaks, perhaps the WHO should be funded by doner nations to have warehouses of essential virus-fighting materiel in-storage and a corps of trained nurses, virologists and doctors for rapid-response to initial outbreak in whatever country.

    It's an expensive proposition, but it's preferable to what's unfolding now.

    If nations can spend billions maintaining armed forces, they can do so for an international medical army to protect global health.

    It's not in the commercial interest of any government to save the lives of the vulnerable. They won't tell you that though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,330 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    Let’s look at the Chinese numbers.
    90k cases out of a population of 1.4bn. That’s an infection rate of .006%

    Apply this rate to Ireland and you would have:
    32k cases out of a population of 5M.

    20% of 32k is 6,400 hospitalisation. 10% death rate of 6.4k is 640 victims.

    Of course these are VERY rough figures for a period of 3 months for China, but deaths and new cases have nearly stopped over there.

    Those maths don't add up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    You can lockdown early and save many lives.
    You can lockdown when the sh*t hits the fan after CV really takes hold.

    Either way the economy tanks and a similar amount of jobs are lost.

    This is not rocket science.

    You don't have to do a total lockdown.

    Closing schools for example will lead to few if any job losses if remote schooling is set up properly. Likewise those working from home generally.

    When you lockdown, you still keep essential services running - in fact a lockdown helps keep these services running, as healthcare professionals are not swamped with people getting coronavirus because they went to school or went socialising.

    The timing has to be right otherwise large numbers of people simply won't comply. Countries like Ireland police by compliance, not force.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 131 ✭✭megabomberman


    Luke O'Neill on Pat Kenny programme there this morning. He seems to be more confident about a vaccine in September based on the number of teams working on it, how the all want to be first so there's a race between them, and the funding that has been available to them.

    No doubt we can completely ignore this particular expert because the responsible experts are in scare-the-public-into-compliance mode. :rolleyes:

    You can ignore Luke O'Neill, he's been woefully uninformed and complacent about the virus from the very start. Last night on Primetime he admitted that he was coming to the realisation that asymptomatic transmission might be occurring "if that turns out to be true". He is a complete disgrace.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Stupid question

    I assume this cant be stopped until we find a vaccine?
    and/or everybody or at least most people have caught it and survived(which is at least 95% of those infected). The problem with a vaccine is viruses mutate, hence why you need a new flu vaccine every year. The major problem is coronoviruses mutate more rapidly than flu, hence the common cold is an accepted yearly bug that does the rounds(though older folks tend to get fewer colds as repeated exposure does tend to offer some resistance). So you will have a vaccine for Covid-19 in due course, but when/if it mutates to get around it it'll likely come back unless they find a non mutating part to target and vaccinate against. We may have to add a variant of this virus to the yearly cold and flu season. Though if we're being optimistic viruses tend to become less fatal over time. It's better for the virus after all. It just wants to hijack our bodies to reproduce and the fewer hosts it kills the more it survives and reproduces. In many ways a virus like ebola is an evolutionary dead end and highly endangered on the way to extinction.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,830 ✭✭✭hawkwing


    Wibbs wrote: »
    They should. My local pharmacist is already. Bumped into her yesterday and she mentioned they were getting masks and hand sanitiser, but only one each per customer and existing customers have preference over randomers. She told me the last fortnight has been a bit daft, with the occasional individual being insane and asking to buy whole boxes of gloves, hand wash and masks and a couple had screaming fits when they were told no. She told them to head off and had to threaten ringing the Guards on them. Apparently the latest thing they've been hit by is people trying to stock up on paracetamol.
    You are only allowed to buy one box of paracetamol:o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Maybe its time to sing:

    Schools out for the summer!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Those maths don't add up.

    They usually don’t when you do them on the hop on your phones calculator! 😶


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    hawkwing wrote: »
    You are only allowed to buy one box of paracetamol:o
    Oh I know H, though I think pharmacists can sell more and that rule is more applied to ordinary shops? She was saying there was a regular stream of people wanting to buy boxes of the stuff and getting pissed off if they wouldn't sell them.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    hawkwing wrote: »
    You are only allowed to buy one box of paracetamol:o

    Yep and you cannot buy a box of paracetomol and a bottle of calpol or anything else with paracetomol in it at thd same time.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    Yurt! wrote: »
    I've been following the threads the whole way, and while there are some chicken-littles, I don't believe anyone has said that.

    The worst case scenario is a grim one for the world economy, and most importantly the hundreds of thousands that would expire. You can cut it any way you like, the threat is there.

    Ehhh my post was slightly tongue in cheek


  • Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭laurah591


    otnomart wrote: »
    Massive effort from Italy which yesterday reached 60000 tests.


    The new fast test will also help with this:

    Italian company DiaSorin completes studies for launch of rapid response molecular test for covid-19

    https://uk.reuters.com/article/brief...-idUKFWN2B21CB

    product expected to be launched in Europe CE marked and submitted to FDA under emergency use authorization process by end of March 2020
    test to enable sample-to-answer results within 60 minutes compared to 5-7 hours currently necessary to report patient results

    Very positive move and should significantly increase testing capacity


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,802 ✭✭✭snowgal


    Yurt! wrote: »
    The horse has bolted now, .

    I now HATE this expression!! I must have seen it over 50 times on here the past few weeks!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,042 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Babooshka wrote: »
    It's not in the commercial interest of any government to save the lives of the vulnerable. They won't tell you that though.

    You a conspiracy nut too?:rolleyes:

    Yeah, thats why the Gov spends millions upon millions treating older people every year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Ordinary soap is fine.
    Don't get obsessed about hand sanitizers.

    Even a cloth with milton/dettol etc would help. One could keep it in a lunchbox in their car and wipe hands accordingly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,975 ✭✭✭enricoh


    touts wrote: »
    Agree.

    And I was shocked at the disgraceful scenes from Cheltenham on the news last night. Tens of thousands of half pissed gamblers crammed in together, celebrating a few horses running around a field. Gamblers is probably the key word there. They are gambling with the health of the nation all for a bit of craic.

    If many cases are traced back to people going to Cheltenham then it will be the end of the Horse Racing industry. It will be hard to justify pumping
    tens of millions of taxpayers money into their hobby after they give the two fingers to the public. When cuts inevitably come to government budgets to compensate for the Coronavirus recession then there will be a public demand for the horse industry to be first on the chopping block.

    Was watching the Tottenham match last night in Leipzig- disgraceful scenes, supporters drinking , crammed in together etc etc or is it just the nags you have a problem with!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    Pro-active!

    Ukraine's capital Kiev will close schools and universities from tomorrow until the end of March to prevent the spread of the coronavirus, city mayor Vitali Klitschko said.

    He said the city would also restrict mass events in the capital, including concerts and conferences. Cinemas and entertainment areas in shopping malls will also close.

    Ukraine has so far reported one coronavirus case


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Case of community aquired virus confirmed at Waterford Hospital (RTE News).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    joe40 wrote: »
    The timing has to be right otherwise large numbers of people simply won't comply. Countries like Ireland police by compliance, not force.

    Voluntary lockdown is really not an option unfortunately.

    As for people not complying, we've seen hundreds if not thousands of people head off to Italy in the midst of coronavirus red zone, not giving a sh*t.

    Do you think they are going to comply with a lockdown in any circumstances? no matter how you sugar coat it? Of course they won't.

    Why should we have a small minority of fools who can't sit still for too long dictate policy for the vast majority? This is not the way to approach a lockdown.

    The more you delay the more problems it creates. Heed the lessons of China and Italy. We're fast heading the way of both.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭Mango Joe


    Just a thought...and not coming from a place of hand-wringing hysteria.

    But has there been much debate, discussion or consideration given to closing our Ports and Airports now while we have only 50 cases on our small Island which is so very effectively isolated from the rest of the World?

    Looking at the journey Italy has been through which ultimately ended in locking down the entire Country of 60,000,000 people wouldn't it be better to act decisively now and avoid tens of thousands needless fatalities....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,570 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    Let’s look at the Chinese numbers.
    90k cases out of a population of 1.4bn. That’s an infection rate of .006%

    Apply this rate to Ireland and you would have:
    32k cases out of a population of 5M.

    Look with all due respect Dougal, China has halted the spread of the infection there. Unchecked you could expect 20% of the population to be infected. This is what happens with influenza in general, and was witnessed in the last number of pandemics (e.g. swine flu, Spanish flu). Of those that have been infected we have statistics into its likely fatality rate.

    If 20% of China were infected one would expect to see about 2.7 million deaths.

    Sure why do you think they have gone to so much trouble? China doesn't even care about its citizens in general.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,067 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Boggles wrote: »
    19 questions and not one question mark.

    :)

    Really!!! It was not questions more statements to think over. I am sorry I offended you so so much O great one


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    Let’s look at the Chinese numbers.
    90k cases out of a population of 1.4bn. That’s an infection rate of .006%

    Apply this rate to Ireland and you would have:
    32k cases out of a population of 5M.

    20% of 32k is 6,400 hospitalisation. 10% death rate of 6.4k is 640 victims.

    Of course these are VERY rough figures for a period of 3 months for China, but deaths and new cases have nearly stopped over there.

    But they locked down to prevent the spread of this. Without the lockdown the figure would be much more.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,477 ✭✭✭✭Knex*


    Blazer wrote: »
    Collective intelligence of the human species is barely above that of monkeys.
    Only for a few exceptional geniuses we’ll still be in caves scratching our balls.

    we'd*

    :pac:



    Wouldn't normally do this, just thought it was too funny on a post lambasting our collective intelligence


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    Thewife wrote: »
    Pascal o donoghue was asked on the Sean o rourke show why we haven’t stopped flights from Italy coming here and amongst other things he said we need to think how Ireland would feel if a country banned us from landing or our citizens from arriving .. I was absolutely shocked that he seems to be looking at this travel ban as a insult to the Italians if it were to happen .. Am I taking him up wrong and totally over reacting or was I correct in saying that’s what his main agenda seemed to be ?

    Typical irish politician...afraid of insulting someone else. Screw the irish people as we couldn't possibly insult the Italians. The Italians couldn't give a flying Shiite if flights were banned, it would actually make their job of locking down the country much easier if other countries stopped flights to and from Italy. O'Donoghue is a pathetic little sniffling idiot who hasn't the brains he was born with.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,852 ✭✭✭Steve F


    That's a bridge I for one will be happy to cross. It will be a minor miracle if there's a vaccine within 5 months. Some analysts have said there will not be a vaccine in 2020. This is partially due to the bleating there was about the swine flu vaccine which was rushed out before all the kinks were knocked out of it.

    Agree 100%. An effective vaccine will be welcomed with open arms
    I just wanted to mention that a vaccine will not stamp out the virus but reduce cases and deaths
    Thanks for the reply :)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    Look with all due respect Dougal, China has halted the spread of the infection there. Unchecked you could expect 20% of the population to be infected. This is what happens with influenza in general, and was witnessed in the last number of pandemics (e.g. swine flu, Spanish flu). Of those that have been infected we have statistics into its likely fatality rate.

    If 20% of China were infected one would expect to see about 2.7 million deaths.

    Sure why do you think they have gone to so much trouble? China doesn't even care about its citizens in general.

    Sure why act now when we can wait until Friday


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    laurah591 wrote: »
    Locally tourist & hospitality sectors will be hit significantly which will have significant knock on impacts on unemployment and bank defaults which i would be sure will place additional stress on the national balance sheet and this is before further investment in Health - housing etc. How will this be paid for

    Internationally- market sentiment has been pointed towards the emergence of a global recesion for the last 12 months (inverse yield curve, technical recession recorded in Italy last year, borderline recession in Germany, slow down in Chinese economy coupled with serious debt issues, likewise India repoting slowing economy in 2019 and high debt levels in its public sector banks ); this virus is our 2020 Black Swan event and i do believe we wil see serious contagion.

    The Italians had a really good idea with mortgage payment postponements. We will have to do something similar, especially for hard hit areas like tourism and hospitality. Once that happens, the pressure on landlords will be eased so they should be able to reduce or pause rents. Legislation is needed. Proactive legislation. Not Fine Gael's strongpoint unfortunately.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    owlbethere wrote: »
    But they locked down to prevent the spread of this. Without the lockdown the figure would be much more.

    And they had the ability to add thousands of temporary hospitals beds and deploy a massive amount of medical ventilators within less than 2 weeks.

    Are we really confident we can do this kind of thing?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    I've just been onto a family member re visiting hours and have been informed that as from yesterday the nursing home in question is closed to all visitors as a precaution against infecting patients!

    Makes sense, seeing as Covid-19 is most dangerous against the elderly & infirm....

    I'll be making contact by phone instead.

    As workers in the nursing homes come in from their homes etc? Are they wearing masks? Why cannot visitors wear masks. gowns etc?

    Rather than separate families when folk are very old? Family ties are precious.
    This could go on a long time.


  • Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭laurah591


    Luke O'Neill on Pat Kenny programme there this morning. He seems to be more confident about a vaccine in September based on the number of teams working on it, how the all want to be first so there's a race between them, and the funding that has been available to them.

    No doubt we can completely ignore this particular expert because the responsible experts are in scare-the-public-into-compliance mode. :rolleyes:

    I find he is always so smiley - not sure id like if he was delivering bad news to me

    China warned about potential asymtopic carriers spreading this virus weeks ago - yet this was only mentioned the other day as a new more worrying development - that 1 day potential to be contagious. I think this impacts his credibility - but then again - who am i say


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,059 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Really!!! It was not questions more statements to think over. I am sorry I offended you so so much O great one

    Boggles is a troll across many threads on boards ignore him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Pro-active!

    Ukraine's capital Kiev will close schools and universities from tomorrow until the end of March to prevent the spread of the coronavirus, city mayor Vitali Klitschko said.

    He said the city would also restrict mass events in the capital, including concerts and conferences. Cinemas and entertainment areas in shopping malls will also close.

    Ukraine has so far reported one coronavirus case

    A good approach. Any countries who have done similar have done well. Western European countries who have valued business as usual are doing disastrously from CV spread.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,660 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    laurah591 wrote: »
    Locally tourist & hospitality sectors will be hit significantly which will have significant knock on impacts on unemployment and bank defaults which i would be sure will place additional stress on the national balance sheet and this is before further investment in Health - housing etc. How will this be paid for

    Internationally- market sentiment has been pointed towards the emergence of a global recesion for the last 12 months (inverse yield curve, technical recession recorded in Italy last year, borderline recession in Germany, slow down in Chinese economy coupled with serious debt issues, likewise India repoting slowing economy in 2019 and high debt levels in its public sector banks ); this virus is our 2020 Black Swan event and i do believe we wil see serious contagion.

    Many Irish tourist businesses will face bankruptcy. This crisis is hitting just at the start of the main tourist season. For 6 months of the year many tourism businesses are losing money or barely breaking even. The 6 months March to August is when these businesses make the money that enables them to survive for the rest of the year.
    I would expect staff to be let go, loans and utility bills to go unpaid as at this time of year many businesses are running on fumes and expecting cash to start rolling in from this month on.

    I am involved in the industry and 9/11, foot & mouth pales in comparison to this. Of course peoples health is the main priority in this crisis but the economic consequences will be severe and long lasting.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Maybe its time to sing:

    Schools out for the summer!

    If they close the schools next week or the week after - or whenever they do it - it will be very hard to reopen.

    Imagine we have 100 cases next week and they decide to close the schools. After Easter, there will be a multiple of that number and we might still not be at the peak, so how could they declare it safe to reopen?

    Then you get rolling week-by-week decisions to not open the schools until it's June, everyone has found solutions to their work-from-home/child-minding crises, and they decide to just leave them off until the end of August.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    murphaph wrote: »
    Look it's all about the probabilities. Fewer visitors and or staff means fewer vectors for the infection. Yes one staff member could still bring it in but it's more likely to be brought in the more distinct visitors you have. Staff will presumably be wearing facemasks also.


    Are they though?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,111 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    CHINA'S QIANJIANG, A CITY IN HUBEI PROVINCE, SAYS WILL CONTINUE WITH STRICT TRANSPORTATION BANS, REVOKING PREVIOUS POLICY RELAXATION

    Strange thing to do when you are posting new case numbers almost on par with this country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭PhoenixParker


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    Let’s look at the Chinese numbers.
    90k cases out of a population of 1.4bn. That’s an infection rate of .006%

    Apply this rate to Ireland and you would have:
    32k cases out of a population of 5M.

    20% of 32k is 6,400 hospitalisation. 10% death rate of 6.4k is 640 victims.

    Of course these are VERY rough figures for a period of 3 months for China, but deaths and new cases have nearly stopped over there.

    Italy have surpassed Chinas figures and still rising rapidly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    that seems to be the norm,where's harris ?

    His mammy wont let him out as he has a bad nappy rash...poor wee pet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭Mr Velo


    tillyfilly wrote: »
    I'm in the office at work and some people are clearly sick,should I start wearing my back up mask and gloves?

    No but those people should be told to go home until they're feeling better. Ridiculous.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,570 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    Sure why act now when we can wait until Friday

    You know what they say:

    'a stitch in time is probably unnecessary. It's only a small tear anyway. No point putting any effort in until you need a new jacket.'


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Closing the schools would have a major impact on society. Like you say what do working parents do and most households with kids would have both working. This would have worked out fine in the 1960's and 70's, but not today. How do folks keep paying mortgages and the like? We'd have to have real leadership from government, with the banks being ordered to have a loan freeze, but that won't happen with the gibbering idiots we have in the Dail.

    On the other hand closing schools would likely limit the spread of this quite substantially. One major positive about this dose is that it doesn't appear to affect children even if they catch it. However it does "use them" as a vector. They can be asymptomatic and infectious and milling together in school builds the viral reserve in the community and they then bring that home. I see this with any of the usual "bug going around" in friends with kids. Said bug is usually brought home by their kids. I saw that in action with the one that was doing the rounds at christmas. I got it from my friend, who had got it from his youngest kid who brought it home from school.

    My immune system is compromised and every, single, time the grandkids come to stay I end up with something - usually a cold - while they appear to be perfectly healthy.
    I'm used to it by now but I think I may stick to waving at them from a distance for a while.
    They can stand on the path at the end of the front garden while Nana flings chocolate at them from an upstairs window. :p


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    Just received an email from one of my suppliers based in Treviso (Northern Italy) to tell me it's business as usual.


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