Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

RandomName2

all about the mane wrote: »

Why not move there?

You're being a smart arse I reckon but to answer your question:
Three reasons

1. I don't speak Ukranian. I could earn no money there, making living quite difficult.
2. If the place is already going into lockdown that pretty much precludes moving there. I am pretty sure they would be unhappy with someone coming from a country with an unchecked infection going there.
3. While this is great that the Ukraine is doing this, it will ultimately be for nothing if the rest of Europe doesn't get its act together. You can clear yourself of the infection and be reinfected by your neighbor.

quokula

completedit wrote: »

Was on Davis McWilliams spouting the same stuff. I get it but he he seems like one of these overly rational people who can’t imagine that a virus he’s never encountered before may have big consequences. I’d be very suspicious when I hear of people saying things like “80% of people will be absolutely fine”

There's nothing wrong with being rational. It's totally accurate to say 80% of people will be absolutely fine. In fact, far more than 99% of people are absolutely fine in China, Korea and Italy, two of whom have passed their peak, while Italy looks like they're about to pass their peak based on yesterdays numbers. And it's unlikely many other countries will be hit as hard as those three as much more is known at this point.

all about the mane

flynnlives wrote: »

identified cases are whats has happened 5 to 10 days ago.

Taiwan and South Korea have been extreemely aggressive in tackling this head on.

TBH **** the economy at this stage! This will last most of the year so a global recession is gauranteed.
Lets take the necessery draconian options now whilst we still have time. Acting now may mean we come out of this much better then other countries and we will save a few more lives.

Sitting around and waiting and seeing is folly at this stage. I reckon the brits have priced in massive deaths already and are happy to see this play out. Thats real bad for us. Cheltenham going ahead is whats gonna make this a disaster.

You do realise without a functioning economy it will result in more deaths?

otnomart

Merkel warns around 58 MILLION Germans – 60-70% of the population - will be infected

SleetAndSnow

Getting more “web conference” tests from my lecturers in UCC. I’d say they are preparing to close alright shortly. Saw a secondary school student wearing a mask on the bus this morning too, got a few looks but she probably had the right idea

namloc1980

all about the mane wrote: »

You do realise without a functioning economy it will result in more deaths?

Letting it spread will cause more deaths and tank the economy anyway.

nthclare

Frequently throughout the day im going to post, this

IF SHUTDOWN OCCURS FREE ELECTRICITY FREEZE UTILITY BILLS AND MORTGAGES ETC
NO CHARGES FOR THE ENERGY USED BETWEEN FREE TIME AND CUTOFF

WE BAILED OUT THE SYSTEM NOW THEY CAN GIVE US BACK OUR DUES

Ann22

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

How about you wait in the car and have them ring you when they are ready to see her? That will limit the time she is waiting around.

We have to travel in a taxi....I suppose maybe we could sit near the door where it isn't so crowded. Chances are the type of clinic it is, she won't be the only fragile person there.

Funsterdelux

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

It’s the Cheltenham thing that’s really annoying. The majority of our cases from Italy happened with travel before any of this kicked off. Cheltenham on the other hand is pure recklessness.

Could be another epicentre!

DrumSteve

quokula wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with being rational. It's totally accurate to say 80% of people will be absolutely fine. In fact, far more than 99% of people are absolutely fine in China, Korea and Italy, two of whom have passed their peak, while Italy looks like they're about to pass their peak based on yesterdays numbers. And it's unlikely many other countries will be hit as hard as those three as much more is known at this point.

Not sure what to say to that.

They had 168 people die yesterday.

namloc1980

nthclare wrote: »

Frequently throughout the day im going to post, this

IF SHUTDOWN OCCURS FREE ELECTRICITY FREEZE UTILITY BILLS AND MORTGAGES ETC
NO CHARGES FOR THE ENERGY USED BETWEEN FREE TIME AND CUTOFF

WE BAILED OUT THE SYSTEM NOW THEY CAN GIVE US BACK OUR DUES

Please don't. Thanks.

tobefrank321

Boggles wrote: »

The Italians delayed closing the schools, largely based on kids not getting sick from the virus.

Their own scientific think tank basically called school closures nonsense.

5 days later the whole country is locked down and there is tanks on the streets.

So called experts and politicians are fúcking it up left right and center, lets not be them.

Great post Boggles.

The advice of our own so called experts to Simon Harris:
1. No need to cancel flights from Italy thereby speeding up new cases into this country and flying people out there to get infected which was as bad
2. No need to self isolate after returning from hotspots until you displayed symptoms even though we know it can be spread before you display symptoms
3. No need to cancel St Patricks days parades - they were embarrassed into doing it eventually
4. No need to close schools - even though we know from the Chinese experience kids can spread it without symptoms
5. Stick a few people in Dublin Airport to hand out leaflets

Our experts have been lagging best practice by weeks in every important area.

Boggles

otnomart wrote: »

Merkel warns around 58 MILLION Germans – 60-70% of the population - will be infected

No she didn't.

flynnlives

all about the mane wrote: »

You do realise without a functioning economy it will result in more deaths?

im old enough to remember plenty of recessions. We survived those. We can survive this.

The US is absolutley ****ed. In a weeks time they wil easily be in Italy's postion.
A recession is coming regarldess.

What i dont want is us following the brits. They've accepted mass deaths.

Pseudonym121

Gooey Looey wrote: »

How do you store hundreds, maybe thousands of bodies to bury at a later date?

You don’t. You bury them in extempore graveyards.

spookwoman

Poor sods that were in medical 7 WRH with that confirmed case are still waiting for their test results

Doctors room ghost

It’s a disgrace that the cheltenham festival has gone ahead and I say that as a racing fan.there was a confirmed case of carona virus in cheltenham on Monday but yet it has gone ahead with an average of 80000 people attending each day from all over.
Amazingly it was cancelled in respect of the agriculture sector during the foot and mouth crisis but during this worldwide health care crisis it has gone ahead.
It’s madness.in a few weeks if them same race goers turn up sick watch them cry the crocodile tears.they will most likely blame the government for not telling them to stay away from it.
You couldn’t make it up it’s that idiotic

joe40

Was anyone listening to newstalk this morning? I'm far from an alarmist on this issue and broadly agree with our official response as a country so far. The presenter, Shane Coleman I think, was however far too dismissive of the whole thing. He even talked about a nurse getting a cheap holiday to Portugal next week as if that is a good thing. Quite disgraceful really.

It really shows that the timing of stricter measures are important. If enough people don't take it seriously it won't work.

Gabriel Scally Epidemologist, also talked about the same thing. Governments have to make a judgement call in relation to ramping up measures.

China had the advantage in this case of been a totalitarian state, so people do what they are told. our society does not function that way.

Duke of Url

DrumSteve wrote: »

Quite interesting:

https://fortune.com/2020/03/10/gilead-coronavirus-treatment-remdesivir-being-used-washington-cdc/



I'm presuming this thing will be the go to help people recover; seems to be quite good at getting rid of the virus.

Just in relation to the vaccine; most teams working on it seem to be targeting the "spike" the virus uses to embed itself in the body; so regardless of how it mutates, the vaccine will target how it gets into the body instead.

Ive been following remdesivir since it was first mentioned at the end of January.

They have already ramped up production of remdesivir

Gilead stressed that it was boosting production “in anticipation of potential future needs” before knowing whether the trial would show the drug to be safe and effective at treating patients with the virus.

The question I have is if it is the turns out successful. Will Gilead release the licence so it can be mass produced around the world to meet demand?

Mortelaro

Boggles wrote: »

Herd immunity would require at least 50% infection and recovery. That would fúck us.

Extreme close downs work, what may or may happen is guess work.

That they work is also only a guess
The virus is out there
Closing down will not kill it
You have blunt choices,avoid it with the obvious measures for as long as possible in the hope you are in the lucky third that stays clear until there is a vaccine

nthclare

namloc1980 wrote: »

Please don't. Thanks.

Why not surly it's a good thing if we all have no financial difficulty throughout this and there after.

Jim_Hodge

nthclare wrote: »

Frequently throughout the day im going to post, this

IF SHUTDOWN OCCURS FREE ELECTRICITY FREEZE UTILITY BILLS AND MORTGAGES ETC
NO CHARGES FOR THE ENERGY USED BETWEEN FREE TIME AND CUTOFF

WE BAILED OUT THE SYSTEM NOW THEY CAN GIVE US BACK OUR DUES

Please don't start spamming a message.

When did we bail out the energy companies?

flynnlives

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

It’s a disgrace that the cheltenham festival has gone ahead and I say that as a racing fan.there was a confirmed case of carona virus in cheltenham on Monday but yet it has gone ahead with an average of 80000 people attending each day from all over.
Amazingly it was cancelled in respect of the agriculture sector during the foot and mouth crisis but during this worldwide health care crisis it has gone ahead.
It’s madness.in a few weeks if them same race goers turn up sick watch them cry the crocodile tears.they will most likely blame the government for not telling them to stay away from it.
You couldn’t make it up it’s that idiotic

It went ahead becasue the brits have accepted mass deaths. They know that fighing this will need draconian action, lockdowns etc. They cant do that casue their an open economy about to contract due to Brexit anyways.

Funsterdelux

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Great post Boggles.

The advice of our own so called experts to Simon Harris:
1. No need to cancel flights from Italy thereby speeding up new cases into this country and flying people out there to get infected which was as bad
2. No need to self isolate after returning from hotspots until you displayed symptoms even though we know it can be spread before you display symptoms
3. No need to cancel St Patricks days parades - they were embarrassed into doing it eventually
4. No need to close schools - even though we know from the Chinese experience kids can spread it without symptoms
5. Stick a few people in Dublin Airport to hand out leaflets

Our experts have been lagging best practice by weeks in every important area.

What we need to do is to bring back some sort of temp visa system. Some travel is required, goods etc maybe specialists/doctors/officials etc
Just a thought

namloc1980

quokula wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with being rational. It's totally accurate to say 80% of people will be absolutely fine. In fact, far more than 99% of people are absolutely fine in China, Korea and Italy, two of whom have passed their peak, while Italy looks like they're about to pass their peak based on yesterdays numbers. And it's unlikely many other countries will be hit as hard as those three as much more is known at this point.

Patient 1 in Italy is on the road to recovery and will be included in the "absolutely fine" category. He was 3 weeks in intensive care under ventilation. 3 weeks!

New cases in South Korea trippled since yesterday. Saying that because the Italian numbers went down yesterday means they are past their peak is extremely naïve.

Boggles

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

When did we bail out the energy companies?

Every time they arrive into the regulator and get whatever increase they are after.

tobefrank321

all about the mane wrote: »

You do realise without a functioning economy it will result in more deaths?

Still clinging to a belief the economy will do just fine if 60% of the population get CV?

You will have 60% of the workforce off work with flu at various stages for a start. You will have key people in business and elsewhere dying of a preventable disease if they have an underlying condition.

Ireland will be treated as a pariah state with people refusing to travel here from abroad.

Our healthcare will crumble with people infected and dying of pneumonia.

Schools will have to be closed eventually.

This will last years potentially as a vaccine can never be fully effective.

Or we can put up with a number of months of short term pain up front to get on top of this and hopefully wipe it out completely.

Stop worrying about people travelling abroad or coming back from Cheltenham etc.

The virus is already here and as it is so contagious, enough people have been exposed to it to allow it to spread throughout most of the population.
Go into any busy town, city, office, supermarket, college, restaurant, train and you will see that there is no way this has not already been spread all over entire country.

Most of those who get it will be absolutely fine.
The best thing to do, as someone WAY up this thread said, is focus on boosting your immune system.

Boggles

namloc1980 wrote: »

Patient 1 in Italy is on the road to recovery and will be included in the "absolutely fine" category. He was 3 weeks in intensive care under ventilation. 3 weeks!

New cases in South Korea trippled since yesterday. Saying that because the Italian numbers went down yesterday means they are past their peak is extremely naïve.

Apparently there was some problem with testing yesterday in Italy.

The figure they released was based on incomplete information.

If it peaks further today we will know yesterday was a false figure.

otnomart

What has worked so far:


23 February: Italy had done 3000 tests and found 132 positive cases
Lockdown starts for the epicentres, population 50000 people, with police and army check points
That paid off : there were no cases in Codogno yesterday

4 March: approx 2700 positive cases - Italy closes schools and universities - nationwide

That worked in South Korea
Hopefully France and Germany will follow suit

namloc1980

nthclare wrote: »

Why not surly it's a good thing if we all have no financial difficulty throughout this and there after.

Nothing is free. Someone has to pay for it.

scamalert

flynnlives wrote: »

identified cases are whats has happened 5 to 10 days ago.

Taiwan and South Korea have been extreemely aggressive in tackling this head on.

TBH **** the economy at this stage! This will last most of the year so a global recession is gauranteed.
Lets take the necessery draconian options now whilst we still have time. Acting now may mean we come out of this much better then other countries and we will save a few more lives.

Sitting around and waiting and seeing is folly at this stage. I reckon the brits have priced in massive deaths already and are happy to see this play out. Thats real bad for us. Cheltenham going ahead is whats gonna make this a disaster.

This isnt going to blow over. And i reckon im not overreacting.
The 8th largest economy in the world is in Quarantine ffs! Time to wake up and face facts. This is a global disaster.

what actions are those ? close down everything- shops airports, given $hit irish weather 2 weeks wont change a thing, going into lock down until theres no cases around etc, seems plain stupid. more interested further down the end of year to see actual stats relying on few countries stats is skewed statistics at this point, some say 70-80 pc will get infected here and there, why not just say prob everyone will get affected at some point- sounds more realistic.

Gods Gift

namloc1980 wrote: »

Patient 1 in Italy is on the road to recovery and will be included in the "absolutely fine" category. He was 3 weeks in intensive care under ventilation. 3 weeks!

New cases in South Korea trippled since yesterday. Saying that because the Italian numbers went down yesterday means they are past their peak is extremely naïve.

That’s got to have a massive impact on your body.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Stop worrying about people travelling abroad or coming back from Cheltenham etc.

The virus is already here and as it is so contagious, enough people have been exposed to it to allow it to spread throughout most of the population.
Go into any busy town, city, office, supermarket, college, restaurant, train and you will see that there is no way this has not already been spread all over entire country.

Most of those who get it will be absolutely fine.
The best thing to do, as someone WAY up this thread said, is focus on boosting your immune system.

Why are you being so sensible and reasonable? Get hysterical

Boggles

AIB set to introduced a charge for con-tactless payments.

#timing

otnomart

machomac wrote: »

Latest from here in Australia with a breakdown of where the virus was sourced.

machomac wrote: »

15 of the initially reported cases in Australia all had a direct or indirect travel history to Wuhan, China
10 cases, including 1 death, are associated with the Diamond Princess cruise ship repatriation flight from Japan
18 cases are reported to have had a direct or indirect travel link to Iran
39 cases are reported to have had a direct or indirect travel link to countries including the United States of America, United Arab Emirates, the United Kingdom, Italy, Iceland, Singapore, Thailand, the Republic of Korea, Japan, Indonesia, Philippines, Taiwan, Cuba, Trinidad and Tobago, Nepal, Egypt, Austria, France, Spain, Hong Kong.
27 cases, including 2 deaths, do not have a reported history of overseas travel

At least one of the UK cases is related to travel in Australia.
This is in addition to the UK case originated in Singapore (the businessman who then travel to the sky resort in France)
"One England sequence clusters distantly with Australian sequences. These may be related by travel history."

https://twitter.com/nextstrain/statu...16085785702406

Graces7

industry accountant wrote: »

Not very useful when out and about though!

Thin rubber gloves which you then discard when you get home or wherever. And avoid touching your face.

Scotty #

nthclare wrote: »

Frequently throughout the day im going to post, this

IF SHUTDOWN OCCURS FREE ELECTRICITY FREEZE UTILITY BILLS AND MORTGAGES ETC
NO CHARGES FOR THE ENERGY USED BETWEEN FREE TIME AND CUTOFF

WE BAILED OUT THE SYSTEM NOW THEY CAN GIVE US BACK OUR DUES

How then are the energy supply companies supposed to pay their staff and maintenance bills?

The banks depend on people paying their mortgages to keep them funded. If people stop paying we'll quickly need to refund the banks again.

Daft ideas to be honest.

mcbert

yourdeadwright wrote: »

iv heard washing hands will do basically nothing , As there virus is caught pover 90 % of the time through breathing

you heard wrong

Mango Joe

Deleted User wrote: »

Why are you being so sensible and reasonable? Get hysterical

I'd also suggest that now is finally the time to throw caution to the winds and take your sexy Neighbour or work Colleague into your arms in a passionate embrace followed by 3 or 4 minutes of amazing love-making......

flynnlives

scamalert wrote: »

what actions are those ? close down everything- shops airports, given $hit irish weather 2 weeks wont change a thing, going into lock down until theres no cases around etc, seems plain stupid. more interested further down the end of year to see actual stats relying on few countries stats is skewed statistics at this point, some say 70-80 pc will get infected here and there, why not just say prob everyone will get affected at some point- sounds more realistic.

it will ensure our health system doesnt collapse.
We have only 255 icu beds for the whole country!

Will ye wake up for god's sake, the house is well and trully on fire!

gabeeg

I can understand their reluctance to shut down schools and unis etc. I don't agree with it, but I understand it. It's a big move.

What I don't understand is why they haven't asked those who can work from home to do just that.
It'll stop tens of thousands of people from congregating together for 9 hours a day, 5 days a week. It'll also get tens of thousands of people off the public transport system and off the roads in general. This will make commutes faster and less crowded.

It will work out fine for the tech companies, and cost the state nothing.

Snow Garden

yourdeadwright wrote: »

iv heard washing hands will do basically nothing , As there virus is caught pover 90 % of the time through breathing

I heard the complete opposite

US2

yourdeadwright wrote: »

iv heard washing hands will do basically nothing , As there virus is caught pover 90 % of the time through breathing

Just makes people feel like they can do something to fight it eh?

Hamsterchops

No vaccine/antidote till at least the Autumn, but I was heartened to hear that there are several drugs currently available to combat the extreme effects of the virus.

Pat Kenny had an expert on the radio this morning (shortly after 9am) and he was talking about several drugs used for other conditions which help Covid-19 patients. One such drug is used with arthritis, and when given to Covid patients it helps with breathing/ lung inflammation, so that's good to hear....

namloc1980

Gods Gift wrote: »

That’s got to have a massive impact on your body.

Indeed. According to reports he's breathing on his own now but facing a long road to recovery.

We only have c.250 ICU beds in Ireland and I'm sure a portion of those are in use for non COVID 19 illnesses. So even a relatively low number of critical cases in Ireland will see ICU beds at full capacity and that won't be good for those who need critical care but there aren't any beds for them.

quokula

namloc1980 wrote: »

Patient 1 in Italy is on the road to recovery and will be included in the "absolutely fine" category. He was 3 weeks in intensive care under ventilation. 3 weeks!

New cases in South Korea trippled since yesterday. Saying that because the Italian numbers went down yesterday means they are past their peak is extremely naïve.

Not sure where you got your South Korean numbers from but the ones I've seen, and I just googled again to double check, say that their number of new cases have continued to drop, and their number of recoveries now outnumber their of new cases so the number of active cases is also continuing to drop.

And I never said anyone who was in intensive care was absolutely fine. I just pointed out that 99.9%+ of people in the absolute worse hit areas of the world haven't even contracted the virus, never mind had mild symptoms.

Gods Gift

yourdeadwright wrote: »

iv heard washing hands will do basically nothing , As there virus is caught pover 90 % of the time through breathing

Maybe it’ll improve you chance of not transmitting it by %10.

Scotty #

yourdeadwright wrote: »

iv heard washing hands will do basically nothing , As there virus is caught pover 90 % of the time through breathing

This is nonsense.

owlbethere

Bob24 wrote: »

And they had the ability to add thousands of temporary hospitals beds and deploy a massive amount of medical ventilators within less than 2 weeks.

Are we really confident we can do this kind of thing?

I never thought about that and that's more worrying. China's figures would be skewed more against us because we don't have the resources to deal with a large breakout.