Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

MadYaker

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Joe Rogan of all people had a great podcast last night about the Virus with Michael Osterholm

Basically this will only truly stop when the majority of people have caught it and build up an immune system,
Stopping cold and flu's (same family) from spreading is like trying to stop the wind,
Hand sanitizing won't really change anything as you breath it in ,
This is here for 6 to 9 month or longer so stopping how we live really shouldn't be an option ,
Warm weather won't stop it
Cancelling schools may have a worse effect, Most nurse's are mother's who then have to take time off to mind the kids,
Figure of the % who die from it is much lower than reported as so many will have it and never know so aren't counted

I wish morons like you would stop saying hand sanitizing doesn’t help. It’s ok to be stupid but you dont need to spread it around. Wash your fcuking hands

Steve F

gabeeg wrote: »

I think so too. "Flattening the curve" just slows the rate of infection, it doesn't stop people from getting it.

Though hopefully it'll be met by treatments and maybe even vaccines before it gets through the entire population.

Absolutely
WHO have been saying for weeks "Slowing down" "Reduce number of cases"
"Push back" Never once did they say "Eradicate" "Wipe it out"

Covid 19 is here to stay, even Vaccine will only reduce cases and deaths
We will need to keep up our guards.Complacency will be our biggest downfall after this initial outbreak

silverharp

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Cancelling schools may have a worse effect, Most nurse's are mother's who then have to take time off to mind the kids,

Most nurses with kids will be married too, presumably their husbands can work from home

gabeeg

2,216 new cases globally today. 101 deaths.

We blew past the 120k milestone. It's not even half eleven

tobefrank321

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Joe Rogan of all people had a great podcast last night about the Virus with Michael Osterholm

Basically this will only truly stop when the majority of people have caught it and build up an immune system,
Stopping cold and flu's (same family) from spreading is like trying to stop the wind,
Hand sanitizing won't really change anything as you breath it in ,
This is here for 6 to 9 month or longer so stopping how we live really shouldn't be an option ,
Warm weather won't stop it
Cancelling schools may have a worse effect, Most nurse's are mother's who then have to take time off to mind the kids,
Figure of the % who die from it is much lower than reported as so many will have it and never know so aren't counted

American approach to CV spread.

I prefer the Chinese approach.

Ann22

Ann22 wrote: »

We have to travel in a taxi....I suppose maybe we could sit near the door where it isn't so crowded. Chances are the type of clinic it is, she won't be the only fragile person there.

Tough call so perhaps consider -

Is the clinic in area that has already confirmed cases?
Is the clinic part of a large area solely for day services? Is there loads of different clinics in the one section at the same time?
Does your mum like to stop and chat to everyone (my mum does)? Would she be ok just talking to you?
Oh, can you rent a wheelchair? I think you stick a coin in like a shopping trolley (wipe it down) so you could go to a place where you’re not beside everyone rather than the busy seating area.

All I can think of for now

Ulysses Gaze

Steve F wrote: »

Absolutely
WHO have been saying for weeks "Slowing down" "Reduce number of cases"
"Push back" Never once did they say "Eradicate" "Wipe it out"

Covid 19 is here to stay, even Vaccine will only reduce cases and deaths
We will need to keep up our guards.Complacency will be our biggest downfall after this initial outbreak

Michael Osterholm even said that the reality is that there may be another spike in China now that social norms are returning as people go back to work.

josip

nthclare wrote: »

Frequently throughout the day im going to post, this

IF SHUTDOWN OCCURS FREE ELECTRICITY FREEZE UTILITY BILLS AND MORTGAGES ETC
NO CHARGES FOR THE ENERGY USED BETWEEN FREE TIME AND CUTOFF

WE BAILED OUT THE SYSTEM NOW THEY CAN GIVE US BACK OUR DUES

What is this "SYSTEM" ?
Do you understand how an economy works and that things have a cost that has to be paid for by somebody in the end?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Graces7 wrote: »

So my GP AND consultants are wrong? WOW
Just WOW!

Even on the anti vaxx thread they want everyone who can to be vaccinated to protect folk with immune deficiency who cannot be vaccinated.

See how dangerous medical "advice" on this thread can be!

And please mind your language! REALLY!

It’s not every immunocompromised person that can’t receive vaccines. It depends on the person and the vaccine. Many immunocompromised people are told to get the flu jab for example. I know that because I’m one of those people.

Renjit

gabeeg wrote: »

2,216 new cases globally today. 101 deaths.

We blew past the 120k milestone. It's not even half eleven

That beats the mileage on my car :pac:

ixoy

silverharp wrote: »

Most nurses with kids will be married too, presumably their husbands can work from home

Why would you presume their other halfs can work from home?

wakka12

UK, France , Switzerland and the US appear to be bigger importers of cases than Italy now.

All this morning :

2 infected in Vietnam infected after contact with two infected British nationals.

2 cases in South Africa, one visited Germany, the other Portugal. A third South African visited Germany, Austria, Switzerland and Turkey and became infected after this trip.

2 in Honduras infected , one infected after visiting Spain. One after visiting Switzerland.

1 new case in Taiwan: a woman in her 30s who had traveled to the UK

Graces7

Deleted User wrote: »

I thought about this last night. I have been on the islands off the West coast before. I wondered would if make any sense to rent on Tory for a year.

A lot of the islands will rent only in summer as like many mainland tourist areas they can make more with less work that way

I approached several islands to learn that.

You may be lucky! I hope so as it a great idea. Well worth trying.

Stevieluvsye

It's getting very tetchy in here today

Steve F

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Michael Osterholm even said that the reality is that there may be another spike in China now that social norms are returning as people go back to work.

Yes...that's a possibility

aloooof

I think Italy has a Go Fund Me page setup to help. Does anyone know if something like this has been setup in Ireland? It could really help; I remember seeing stats before about how our contributions to charity were among the highest per head in Europe. I know I'd certainly contribute what I could.

RandomName2

gabeeg wrote: »

I think so too. "Flattening the curve" just slows the rate of infection, it doesn't stop people from getting it.

Yes, it accepts about 20% of the population getting infected, just wants to stagger it to help emergency services cope.

The UK didn't even seem to try to stop the spread. Like with Ireland, the desire to save up money to deal with Brexit may have caused the government there to be expedient with public health.

dan786

dan786 wrote: »

Germany has confirmed a third death due to coronavirus.

:eek:

Bannasidhe

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

It’s not every immunocompromised person that can’t receive vaccines. It depends on the person and the vaccine. Many immunocompromised people are told to get the flu jab for example. I know that because I’m one of those people.

Me too.
GP nags me until I get the flu jab and this year she included the pneumonia one as well.

Graces7

laurah591 wrote: »

Workers dont have masks - given a shortage of masks globally and the media msg being sent out in Ireland - masks dont work - i cant see how that is a workable solution

This virus may be with us for awhile - but we need to learn about it first and ease restrictions when we are happy we understand the risks and can mitigate against them. At the moment - even though the media is discussing this topic 24/7; i believe there is a level of complacency creeping in - the ah sure everyone will contract this - little can be done. I believe better to be prudent now with our vulnerable

As a matter of interest - are you inviting people to visit you in isolation?

No. My ongoing strict medical advice long term even before this was to see no one close up. Now even more important.

silverharp

silverharp wrote: »

Most nurses with kids will be married too, presumably their husbands can work from home

And you expect companies to allow "work" when you are home with kids, even if WFH is possible??
Companies will have to be majorly flexible with spouses/partners, of front line staff.

Funsterdelux

silverharp wrote: »

Most nurses with kids will be married too, presumably their husbands can work from home

Or heaven forbid the husbands stay home and let their nurse wives go to work. Or visa versa

kenmc

cherryghost wrote: »

Moldova have 3 cases and they've closed down all schools.

Paraguay have 2, closed all schools and public gatherings. We have "34" yet still open to all. As ye were

MadYaker

RandomName2 wrote: »

Yes, it accepts about 20% of the population getting infected, just wants to stagger it to help emergency services cope.

The UK didn't even seem to try to stop the spread. Like with Ireland, the desire to save up money to deal with Brexit may have caused the government there to be expedient with public health.

In his press conference on Monday Leo said there was a moderate to high chance of up to 60% of the population getting infected, the lower end of the estimate was 20%

KWAG2019

tillyfilly wrote: »

Have we crossed the Rubicon yet?

Asking for Caesar.

Stevieluvsye

Graces7 wrote: »

No. My ongoing strict medical advice long term even before this was to see no one close up. Now even more important.

How do you get to do shopping and other stuff that requires interaction

H3llR4iser

the deftone wrote: »

This doesn't seem like an obstacle that couldn't be overcome

Fact is, there's previous experience - Italy went "oh sure, it's only 10 cases, no need to do anything" and we know how it developed. People of all ages can't be trusted to be smart and to the right thing - this very morning, the "soundtrack" on the DART was basically that of someone coughing, sneezing or sniffling every few seconds. Sure, 99.9% of them it's a cold or seasonal flu - but that doesn't mean you get to spread it around. We regularly have people showing up at work so sick they are barely able to keep awake, or have a mount Everest of used tissues on their desk by 11am - and the company has full sick pay arrangements up to 2 weeks.

The issue with closing down the schools is that teenagers will see it as a holiday and WILL freely roam about, so some other arrangements must be put in place.

As for work, Ireland and Dublin specifically have a very high incidence of IT workers who simply don't need to be in an office at all. Imposing these companies to tell their staff to work remotely for the next 2-4 weeks should be a no-brainer; that alone it would take a good amount of people off the streets and especially public transport, decreasing the spread risk massively with little or no impact on their schedule.

Again, leaving it to "common sense" won't work - big, public-target companies (Google, Microsoft, Apple etc.) will promote remote working - if nothing else for PR reasons - but the vast majority of small, private companies will order their staff to attend the office unless they're literally falling over.

gabeeg

wakka12 wrote: »

UK, France , Switzerland and the US appear to be bigger importers of cases than Italy now.

All this morning :

2 infected in Vietnam infected after contact with two infected British nationals.

2 cases in South Africa, one visited Germany, the other Portugal. A third South African visited Germany, Austria, Switzerland and Turkey and became infected after this trip.

2 in Honduras infected , one infected after visiting Spain. One after visiting Switzerland.

1 new case in Taiwan: a woman in her 30s who had traveled to the UK

And sorry for banging the drum - but if you think you might be infected, you've been to a Germany/Spain/wherever and you go to the HSE website for info - this is what you're met with

Places where there is spread of coronavirus

China
Hong Kong
Singapore
South Korea
Iran
Japan
the following regions in Italy - Lombardy, Veneto, Emilia-Romagna or Piedmont

If you are not feeling well
If you have been to one of the places listed above and you are not feeling well, check if you have symptoms of coronavirus. These are a cough, shortness of breath, breathing difficulties, fever (high temperature).

If you do have symptoms of coronavirus, phone your GP or local emergency department (ED) without delay.

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/advice-for-people-returning-from-affected-areas.html

the deftone

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And you expect companies to allow "work" when you are home with kids??

Yes

RandomViewer

We are coming into a long bank holiday weekend, most workplaces are closing Monday so people are heading from the cities to holiday homes in the country, will we see a huge increase in the spread?

Naggdefy

tillyfilly wrote: »

Have we crossed the Rubicon yet?

Like Caesar I crossed it to stockpile rubbex.

owlbethere

dodzy wrote: »

9 confirmed cases on the island of Eire on Sunday morning. Fast forward a mere 3 days later to yesterday.....and we have 50.

We're in real trouble here.

Leo still jetting off to the US this afternoon ?

If leo and some members of government still go flying for Paddy's Day shamrock giving, it very careless of them, furthering endangering our country and people.

touts

aloooof wrote: »

I think Italy has a Go Fund Me page setup to help. Does anyone know if something like this has been setup in Ireland? It could really help; I remember seeing stats before about how our contributions to charity were among the highest per head in Europe. I know I'd certainly contribute what I could.

"Italy" turning to GoFundMe to help them get through this crisis.

I suspect that is a scam. Did they offer to raffle Michaelangelo"s David to one lucky contributor?

Candamir

tobefrank321 wrote: »

You can lockdown early and save many lives.
You can lockdown when the sh*t hits the fan after CV really takes hold.

Either way the economy tanks and a similar amount of jobs are lost.

This is not rocket science.

You don't have to do a total lockdown.

Closing schools for example will lead to few if any job losses if remote schooling is set up properly. Likewise those working from home generally.

When you lockdown, you still keep essential services running - in fact a lockdown helps keep these services running, as healthcare professionals are not swamped with people getting coronavirus because they went to school or went socialising.

Not rocket science, but it is a science, and one that you don’t understand and are not qualified in. Seriously, people are experts in this field, do we completely disregard their educated opinion in favour of some crank on the internet?

Your point re schools. How long do you think it takes to ‘set up’ remote schooling? How does that work for primary school pupils? For disadvantaged kids or rural kids who may not have access to the internet.It’s not overnight. What happens to the kids who don’t go to school? What happens to their parents who have to take time off work to mind them? If schools close, crèches and other childcare facilities will likely follow suit. The practical and economic effects of that have to be looked at. That’s not to say I don’t think schools will be closed, it just has to be a considered decision. It’s easy to say shut them down. It’s a lot harder to figure out what happens after, and when do we open them back up. If they close now, they won’t open again until September at the earliest.

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Voluntary lockdown is really not an option unfortunately.

As for people not complying, we've seen hundreds if not thousands of people head off to Italy in the midst of coronavirus red zone, not giving a sh*t.

Do you think they are going to comply with a lockdown in any circumstances? no matter how you sugar coat it? Of course they won't.

Why should we have a small minority of fools who can't sit still for too long dictate policy for the vast majority? This is not the way to approach a lockdown.

The more you delay the more problems it creates. Heed the lessons of China and Italy. We're fast heading the way of both.

So we’re going to call in the army and declare a state of martial law? Is that your best suggestion?

I don’t think you really understand the Irish psyche.

Bob24

A lighter update, the bar of the French Senate is partially closing due to the virus.

Maybe this is what will trigger the enactment of severe legislation to fight the propagation of the virus! :-D

https://twitter.com/pierredumazeau/status/1237656389545275392?s=21

Bannasidhe

ixoy wrote: »

Why would you presume their other halfs can work from home?

I wondered that too.
Cousin of mine is a nurse - her husband is an Army Ranger.
Neither of those are really 'work from home' jobs.

If fact there are a hell of a lot of jobs that cannot be done from home - retail, hospitality, hairdressing, medical, construction, transport, manufacturing,... and that's just off the top of my head...

Also - are all male nurses married gaymen given it was said "their husbands" can work from home?!?!

RandomName2

Steve F wrote: »

Yes...that's a possibility

If China gets rid of covid-19 it would have to make a decision whether it wants to ban people coming in from from other infected countries like the US. There's no point China making a large sacrifice if every other country (like Ireland) just gives up immediately, because China can just get reinfected by other countries then.

There also would be no censure of China at this stage. Sure, China caused the disease in the first place, but if the world doesn't care about the spread of the disease, then the amount of accountability here is surely negligible.

1.9 million deaths in China are fairly rookie numbers from the Communist Party's point of view. If preventing this level of fatality would do more economic harm than good, then we can guess what way they will ultimately go.

This is yet another reason for us to get serious. Each country looks to each other to see how they are handling the disease. If it becomes accepted for the disease to just run its course in one country, the desire to stop the spread is diminished in all others.

NIMAN

gabeeg wrote: »

2,216 new cases globally today. 101 deaths.

We blew past the 120k milestone. It's not even half eleven

From Sept or Oct 2019 when it started we have 120,000 worldwide cases, but people are saying Ireland itself will have 1,900,000 cases.

the deftone

the deftone wrote: »

Yes

Won't happen in vast majority of cases, unless there is government instruction

ITman88

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Joe Rogan of all people had a great podcast last night about the Virus with Michael Osterholm

Basically this will only truly stop when the majority of people have caught it and build up an immune system,
Stopping cold and flu's (same family) from spreading is like trying to stop the wind,
Hand sanitizing won't really change anything as you breath it in ,
This is here for 6 to 9 month or longer so stopping how we live really shouldn't be an option ,
Warm weather won't stop it
Cancelling schools may have a worse effect, Most nurse's are mother's who then have to take time off to mind the kids,
Figure of the % who die from it is much lower than reported as so many will have it and never know so aren't counted

This is the most realistic approach, experts on this thread are quoting the Wuhan approach of total lockdown, the same posters who are saying China aren’t telling us the truth, and what’s to say as soon as the lockdown ends the cases won’t escalate once again?!

Isolating people is not going to kill the virus. The virus will survive.

We cannot lock down indefinitely, in spite of what the medical experts on here are saying.

touts

Bob24 wrote: »

A lighter update, the bar of the French Senate is partially closing due to the virus.

https://twitter.com/pierredumazeau/status/1237656389545275392?s=21

Maybe this is what will trigger the enactment of severe legislation to fight the propagation of the virus! :-D

They couldn't close the Dail bar. It's the only thing that brings some of the TDs to the building on a Tuesday night.

Pintman Paddy Losty

silverharp wrote: »

Most nurses with kids will be married too, presumably their husbands can work from home

Most nurses marry lower level workers like plumbers, gardaí and manual labour types. Unlikely they can work from home.

Different with female doctors though I'd imagine.

RandomName2

MadYaker wrote: »

In his press conference on Monday Leo said there was a moderate to high chance of up to 60% of the population getting infected, the lower end of the estimate was 20%

I say 20% as a sop to the screeching 'you are just hysterical' type of posters.

I'd see 20% as a minimum, with a corresponding 20K fatalities here, given current estimates. If 20K fatalities is not acceptable to you, you should be in the camp of acting fast and effectively to try and stamp out the disease.

yourdeadwright

MadYaker wrote: »

I wish morons like you would stop saying hand sanitizing doesn’t help. It’s ok to be stupid but you dont need to spread it around. Wash your fcuking hands

Sorry maybe I should explain that better,

Washing your hands helps and should be the norm ,
He saying Hand Sanitizers don't make a difference than soap and hot water ,

Spook_ie

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Has anyone asked the simple question of the HSE of they actually have the capacity to undertake community testing?

Because I don't believe they can do this. We already know that this virus spreads exponentially.

I was in Madrid last week and caught the flu while there. In two weeks Spain will be the new Italy. At which point the guidelines will be updated to include Madrid as a hotspot.

I, like everyone, get the flu each year so I'm not going to self isolate based on the guidelines.

And there in is the fundamental problem, did you catch flu of did you experience a CoVid19 exposure and at some time were spreading it?

RandomViewer

josip wrote: »

What is this "SYSTEM" ?
Do you understand how an economy works and that things have a cost that has to be paid for by somebody in the end?

If the state allows thousands to die so they can continue to collect revenue do you think that will go down well with the people who lose loved ones,

Naggdefy

Anyone hear of Mr. Fegelein, the multiple thread starter.

I'd love to here his thoughts..

Stevieluvsye

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Most nurses marry lower level workers like plumbers, gardaí and manual labour types. Unlikely they can work from home.

Different with female doctors though I'd imagine.

Have to be taking the p!ss?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

People have been criticising Luke O’Neill. The one thing that left me dissatisfied from his McWilliams podcast, that I thought he was complacent about was that he didn’t acknowledge that some young, healthy people have died from it. The Chinese whistleblower was a young, otherwise healthy (that I know of) guy and he died from it. That has been at the back of my mind since I heard about it. Does that mean you don’t have to be immunocompromised and/or elderly to die from this?

Stevieluvsye

Naggdefy wrote: »

Anyone hear of Mr. Fegelein, the multiple thread starter.

I'd love to here his thoughts..

We wouldn't