Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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RandomName2 wrote: »

Technically blanket isolation would kill it. It needs a host to survive. However, you don't need to isolate individuals from the disease, you can isolate entire healthy communities from the disease.

While I would usually be more willing to entertain dialog from any side in relation to this, it's also clear that time is of the essence.

I also feel that people who have tried to minimize the disease have had a vested interest in doing so. Attempting to disregard a particular stance as simply being 'scaremongering' (without actually putting any evidence forward to why it is) I feel has often been motivated by personal feelings concerning disruption to daily life or financial security.

It would be hypocritical if I were quoting figures that were made up, and that the disease was not dangerous to the public in general, but was only dangerous to myself because I had a relatively rare condition that would leave me susceptible to it (let's say cystic fibrosis).

However this is not the case. I have been conservative with my estimates and used publicly available, and verified, information to make best-case scenario projections that are backed up by experts. 20,000 deaths in Ireland is a reasonable scenario. I would prefer if people who go on about 'scaremongering' or 'hysterical nonsense' would own this number and say 'yes, I think that is a more reasonable cost than the financial burden that would be involved in halting the spread'.

where did you pull the number out off ? few hotspots, any degree in any field related to science or biology. its easy to throw numbers but as been said 0 deaths here, and even 100 would still be small as that doesnt surpass seasonal flu.

namloc1980

namloc1980 wrote: »

These threads are going to be epic to look back on. Some student could write a thesis on them.

Going on this morning's reading, there is a good argument for that thesis to be prefaced with that famous quote 'Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and to remove all doubt.'

gabeeg

All we know is that the death rate is significant and the hospitalisation rate is overwhelming.

And that's enough

completedit

facehugger99 wrote: »

The big worry is that every hypochondriac with an 'ever so slight sensation' will be down to their GP or A&E, clogging up the system.

This is just mixed information. There is a worldwide virus wreaking havoc in a near European country. People have to be either safe or sorry. What’s the alternative? Just be like ah sure **** it, I’ll get on the bus, go to the shops, go to work and do whatever else and then spread the virus even more.

We either say that we aren’t bothered containing it and let it play out or we are on top of ALL potential cases.

TheAsYLuMkeY

facehugger99 wrote: »

The big worry is every hypochondriac with an 'ever so slight sensation' will be down to their GP or A&E, clogging up the system.

Ok,

I am no hypochondriac, i have probably been to a doctors once in the past ten years, never miss days from work from illness, was only ever in hospital for a broken bone.

I never have any wheezing in my chest as i do not smoke etc.

I asked a legitimate question,

who should i call, GP or Ambulance service for testing, thats all.

Cilldara_2000

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

Both ITman and the figures are correct. Anyone reporting figures can only do so based on confirmed cases, recoveries and deaths. And it's rather clear that South Korea have been testing far more people per capita than any other country.

And SK, with all their testing are showing fatality rates multiple that of flu.


We also do not test for flu, in general

facehugger99

facehugger99 wrote: »

True - also if you're in a house with three or more people, two of them are able to gang up on the virus at the one time which substantially reduces both the infection period and the severity.

Chuck Norris was 80 years old the other day so I invited him over for cake. Planning to lock him in the kitchen with a plate of Italian food so he will contract Covid19, kill it and save us all.

RandomViewer wrote: »

Anyone who attends needs to take a hard look at themselves

I've been saying that about all Trad Festivals for years.

Lord TSC

Did a big shop there.

I find it hilarious that the spaghetti is completely spaghetti is cleared off the shelves, dry and chilled. But there's LOADS of penne, tagliatelle, and loads of other pasta types. As if the shape of pasta is important....

khalessi

martingriff wrote: »

What's the difference between a glove been contaminated and a bare hand been contaminated. Is it not the same thing

Could have unseen cuts on hands

ITman88

RandomName2 wrote: »

Technically blanket isolation would kill it. It needs a host to survive. However, you don't need to isolate individuals from the disease, you can isolate entire healthy communities from the disease.

While I would usually be more willing to entertain dialog from any side in relation to this, it's also clear that time is of the essence.

I also feel that people who have tried to minimize the disease have had a vested interest in doing so. Attempting to disregard a particular stance as simply being 'scaremongering' (without actually putting any evidence forward to why it is) I feel has often been motivated by personal feelings concerning disruption to daily life or financial security.

It would be hypocritical if I were quoting figures that were made up, and that the disease was not dangerous to the public in general, but was only dangerous to myself because I had a relatively rare condition that would leave me susceptible to it (let's say cystic fibrosis).

However this is not the case. I have been conservative with my estimates and used publicly available, and verified, information to make best-case scenario projections that are backed up by experts. 20,000 deaths in Ireland is a reasonable scenario. I would prefer if people who go on about 'scaremongering' or 'hysterical nonsense' would own this number and say 'yes, I think that is a more reasonable cost than the financial burden that would be involved in halting the spread'.

Do you honestly think 20000 extra people are going to die this year, that’s 20000 above the average yearly death rate of circa 30000?
So in Ireland this year the death rate will be 50000??

facehugger99

completedit wrote: »

We either say that we aren’t bothered containing it and let it play out or we are on top of ALL potential cases.

You think we have the capacity in our system for that?

That's hilarious.:D

TheAsYLuMkeY

TheAsYLuMkeY wrote: »

Ok,

I am no hypochondriac, i have probably been to a doctors once in the past ten years, never miss days from work from illness, was only ever in hospital for a broken bone.

I never have any wheezing in my chest as i do not smoke etc.

I asked a legitimate question,

who should i call, GP or Ambulance service for testing, thats all.

OK do NOT phone 999, that is the emergency number and they are busy enough as is.


Phone your GP, like you would for any other illness

RandomName2

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

Thsts a bizarre statement. What is your source for stating that skiing exposes you to the virus?

Skis are known vectors for the covid-19 pathogen. :pac:

It's obvious that I'm talking about skiing holidays in northern Italy specifically, which was the reason that most of the Irish people going to northern Italy in February and March seem to be going to this particular location.

Superfluous explanation is superfluous.

Cilldara_2000

completedit wrote: »

This is just mixed information. There is a worldwide virus wreaking havoc in a near European country. People have to be either safe or sorry. What’s the alternative? Just be like ah sure **** it, I’ll get on the bus, go to the shops, go to work and do whatever else and then spread the virus even more.

We either say that we aren’t bothered containing it and let it play out or we are on top of ALL potential cases.

On top of all potential cases means complete close down of everything and everyone barracked in their homes and we all agree not to surface again for a few weeks. Well those of us who haven't died of some other disease, starvation or the cold when the ESB stops running on account of their staff also being locked down.

facehugger99

TheAsYLuMkeY wrote: »

who should i call, GP or Ambulance service for testing, thats all.

You're seriously asking on a Social Media thread full of doom-merchants if you should call an ambulance?

Really?

Beasty

Beasty wrote: »

IBTL

5, 4, 3, 2, 1 .......

wakka12

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-11-20-intl-hnk/h_ef3ff323a2d526fff2906d0137664fc6
Almost half of Bahrain's citizens evacuated from Iran have tested positive for coronavirus.
Iran must have several million cases at this point in time

intellectual dosser

Lord TSC wrote: »

Did a big shop there.

I find it hilarious that the spaghetti is completely spaghetti is cleared off the shelves, dry and chilled. But there's LOADS of penne, tagliatelle, and loads of other pasta types. As if the shape of pasta is important....

A Tagliatelle Bolognese isn't the same, we must maintain our cuisine standards during this difficult time. Any variance from normality would only fuel the panic.

ThePopehimself

Getting very close now CinemaGuy 45...#9845 :eek::eek::eek:

amadangomor

Think I got through to a few Corvid-19 deniers today.

I mentioned the "wartime" triage situation in Italy.

The fact that older people unfortunately aren't being treated in favour of younger patients because of the shortage of ICU bed was an eyeopener for some and reality hitting home.

RandomName2

ITman88 wrote: »

Do you honestly think 20000 extra people are going to die this year, that’s 20000 above the average yearly death rate of circa 30000?
So in Ireland this year the death rate will be 50000??

The WHO places the fatality rate of covid-19 at 3.4%. There's nearly 5 million people in Ireland.

You do the maths.

Beasty

Beasty wrote: »

5, 4, 3, 2, 1 .......

Thunderbirds are go, and new thread here