Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

facehugger99

The big worry is that every hypochondriac with an 'ever so slight sensation' will be down to their GP or A&E, clogging up the system.

Stevieluvsye

namloc1980 wrote: »

These threads are going to be epic to look back on. Some student could write a thesis on them.

More like a comic book

gabeeg

Lads, the policy of not doling out amateur medical advice and encouraging them to speak to a GP is absolutely correct.

It could be handled in a much kinder manner though. We've no idea of their circumstances.

wakka12

ITman88 wrote: »

Tripe.
Figures can’t be determined until testing is increased and time has passed so medical science can get an accurate measurement of cases to fatalities.
South Korea has undertaken intensive testing and uncovered a low fatality rate.
The inaccurate figures come from low numbers of tests carried out and thus people having the virus and not being tested.
Numbers will be in accurate for a while.
On a positive Ireland currently has a 0% fatality rate

South Korea has a mortality rate of 0.8%, which is still much more dangerous than flu. The cruise ship has also recorded a death rate of over 1%. It is absolutely, and undoubtedly, a lot more dangerous than the flu. Really anyone who keeps saying this should honestly be banned, it is potentially dangerous misinformation at this stage. Go read that article about the Italian doctor struggling to keep patients in italy alive who has pleaded with the public to stop comparing to the flu.

facehugger99

facehugger99 wrote: »

The big worry is that every hypochondriac with an 'ever so slight sensation' will be down to their GP or A&E, clogging up the system.

Phone the GP is the advice

Cilldara_2000

Deleted User wrote: »

Right, you go and tell the WHO that ITman88.
They'll be delighted to amend their figures based on your massive experience

Both ITman and the figures are correct. Anyone reporting figures can only do so based on confirmed cases, recoveries and deaths. And it's rather clear that South Korea have been testing far more people per capita than any other country.

martingriff

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

Why, though? It might be easier to discard gloves than have to find somewhere to go and wash your hands, if you're out in public.

What's the difference between a glove been contaminated and a bare hand been contaminated. Is it not the same thing

DrumSteve

Eliana Uptight Caterpillar wrote: »

Humans have NO KNOWN IMMUNITY to this and there is NO treatment to slow it down once people are infected, it's just a matter of waiting for it to creep into the lungs. There is no value in speculating about this happening until there is any evidence whatsoever that we will be able to fight it or figure out a method of treatment which isn't keeping the ill person breathing using machines, which we have a huge scarcity of.


They are really going hard on "young people can't get affected badly by this" line so as to keep most people going about their business as normal. I even heard a heavily edited interview with a guy who got it in the UK on Seán Ó Rourke earlier. I had read his story, when phase two kicked in he nearly died of pneumonia because he woke up in the middle of the night, couldn't breathe and would have suffocated if his flatmate hadn't called an ambulance.

Healthy, young people CAN and DO DIE from this and will be doing so in their droves when our health system becomes fully overwhelmed in a fortnight because we don't have the resources or staff to be able to treat them. Look at the Italian surgeons' messages and the young man with his dead sister. The only thing we can do now that it is circulating freely in our communities is to prioritise whether we need to go out at all and minimise interaction. Everyone is being put at risk by government inertia and the economy is going to be much worse hit down the line with the impact from needless death brought about by these unfolding mistakes.

TBF, his sister was 45 with health issues.

Young people can and will die from this, but not in their droves. Think you might need to step back a little from this; the stats just don't back up your assertions.

Technocentral

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

More like a comic book

Forums really attract negative people, 80 to 90% of posts on here by doom merchants!

Xertz

I’m just refusing to go to anything like that until I get a sense of this being under control and safe.

I organise a couple of minor groups myself, just hobby stuff that involves maybe 25-30 people and a lot of time chatting and drinking in the pub, and I’ve just suspended those and will review in a few weeks.

I don’t really see the point in risking it for the sake of bravado or stoicism.

I wouldn’t be much of a friend to any of those people by putting them at risk and at the moment I don’t feel in a position to assess the risk and I really want to ensure they’re all ok! So I’m just being cautious and taking a rest.

It’s the same with work almost all meetings can be done virtually.

The one thing I would say though is for your own mental health and that of others, keep in touch with people - have the chats on the phone. Interact and help people out too where you can.

Community spirit is really important and it may have to be done a little more remotely through technology over the weeks ahead but it needs to be done.

Don’t leave your friends or family members isolated. That waffly chat about nonsense can be a huge deal to a lot of people. Even interaction on boards and social media is important and don’t make it all about politics and Coronavirus - actually have some chats with people, but of craic, engage in the fun stuff too and just be human.

Also if you are in good health, check with neighbours to see if you can help with groceries. There are a lot of older folks and also people who live on their own who might be very isolated by this. It’s even worse if they have to self isolate. That phone call or willingness to drop stuff to a door, even if you never interact is hugely important.

scamalert

RandomName2 wrote: »

Technically blanket isolation would kill it. It needs a host to survive. However, you don't need to isolate individuals from the disease, you can isolate entire healthy communities from the disease.

While I would usually be more willing to entertain dialog from any side in relation to this, it's also clear that time is of the essence.

I also feel that people who have tried to minimize the disease have had a vested interest in doing so. Attempting to disregard a particular stance as simply being 'scaremongering' (without actually putting any evidence forward to why it is) I feel has often been motivated by personal feelings concerning disruption to daily life or financial security.

It would be hypocritical if I were quoting figures that were made up, and that the disease was not dangerous to the public in general, but was only dangerous to myself because I had a relatively rare condition that would leave me susceptible to it (let's say cystic fibrosis).

However this is not the case. I have been conservative with my estimates and used publicly available, and verified, information to make best-case scenario projections that are backed up by experts. 20,000 deaths in Ireland is a reasonable scenario. I would prefer if people who go on about 'scaremongering' or 'hysterical nonsense' would own this number and say 'yes, I think that is a more reasonable cost than the financial burden that would be involved in halting the spread'.

where did you pull the number out off ? few hotspots, any degree in any field related to science or biology. its easy to throw numbers but as been said 0 deaths here, and even 100 would still be small as that doesnt surpass seasonal flu.

namloc1980

namloc1980 wrote: »

These threads are going to be epic to look back on. Some student could write a thesis on them.

Going on this morning's reading, there is a good argument for that thesis to be prefaced with that famous quote 'Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and to remove all doubt.'

gabeeg

All we know is that the death rate is significant and the hospitalisation rate is overwhelming.

And that's enough

completedit

facehugger99 wrote: »

The big worry is that every hypochondriac with an 'ever so slight sensation' will be down to their GP or A&E, clogging up the system.

This is just mixed information. There is a worldwide virus wreaking havoc in a near European country. People have to be either safe or sorry. What’s the alternative? Just be like ah sure **** it, I’ll get on the bus, go to the shops, go to work and do whatever else and then spread the virus even more.

We either say that we aren’t bothered containing it and let it play out or we are on top of ALL potential cases.

TheAsYLuMkeY

facehugger99 wrote: »

The big worry is every hypochondriac with an 'ever so slight sensation' will be down to their GP or A&E, clogging up the system.

Ok,

I am no hypochondriac, i have probably been to a doctors once in the past ten years, never miss days from work from illness, was only ever in hospital for a broken bone.

I never have any wheezing in my chest as i do not smoke etc.

I asked a legitimate question,

who should i call, GP or Ambulance service for testing, thats all.

Cilldara_2000

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

Both ITman and the figures are correct. Anyone reporting figures can only do so based on confirmed cases, recoveries and deaths. And it's rather clear that South Korea have been testing far more people per capita than any other country.

And SK, with all their testing are showing fatality rates multiple that of flu.


We also do not test for flu, in general

facehugger99

facehugger99 wrote: »

True - also if you're in a house with three or more people, two of them are able to gang up on the virus at the one time which substantially reduces both the infection period and the severity.

Chuck Norris was 80 years old the other day so I invited him over for cake. Planning to lock him in the kitchen with a plate of Italian food so he will contract Covid19, kill it and save us all.

RandomViewer wrote: »

Anyone who attends needs to take a hard look at themselves

I've been saying that about all Trad Festivals for years.

Lord TSC

Did a big shop there.

I find it hilarious that the spaghetti is completely spaghetti is cleared off the shelves, dry and chilled. But there's LOADS of penne, tagliatelle, and loads of other pasta types. As if the shape of pasta is important....

khalessi

martingriff wrote: »

What's the difference between a glove been contaminated and a bare hand been contaminated. Is it not the same thing

Could have unseen cuts on hands

ITman88

RandomName2 wrote: »

Technically blanket isolation would kill it. It needs a host to survive. However, you don't need to isolate individuals from the disease, you can isolate entire healthy communities from the disease.

While I would usually be more willing to entertain dialog from any side in relation to this, it's also clear that time is of the essence.

I also feel that people who have tried to minimize the disease have had a vested interest in doing so. Attempting to disregard a particular stance as simply being 'scaremongering' (without actually putting any evidence forward to why it is) I feel has often been motivated by personal feelings concerning disruption to daily life or financial security.

It would be hypocritical if I were quoting figures that were made up, and that the disease was not dangerous to the public in general, but was only dangerous to myself because I had a relatively rare condition that would leave me susceptible to it (let's say cystic fibrosis).

However this is not the case. I have been conservative with my estimates and used publicly available, and verified, information to make best-case scenario projections that are backed up by experts. 20,000 deaths in Ireland is a reasonable scenario. I would prefer if people who go on about 'scaremongering' or 'hysterical nonsense' would own this number and say 'yes, I think that is a more reasonable cost than the financial burden that would be involved in halting the spread'.

Do you honestly think 20000 extra people are going to die this year, that’s 20000 above the average yearly death rate of circa 30000?
So in Ireland this year the death rate will be 50000??

facehugger99

completedit wrote: »

We either say that we aren’t bothered containing it and let it play out or we are on top of ALL potential cases.

You think we have the capacity in our system for that?

That's hilarious.:D

TheAsYLuMkeY

TheAsYLuMkeY wrote: »

Ok,

I am no hypochondriac, i have probably been to a doctors once in the past ten years, never miss days from work from illness, was only ever in hospital for a broken bone.

I never have any wheezing in my chest as i do not smoke etc.

I asked a legitimate question,

who should i call, GP or Ambulance service for testing, thats all.

OK do NOT phone 999, that is the emergency number and they are busy enough as is.


Phone your GP, like you would for any other illness

RandomName2

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

Thsts a bizarre statement. What is your source for stating that skiing exposes you to the virus?

Skis are known vectors for the covid-19 pathogen. :pac:

It's obvious that I'm talking about skiing holidays in northern Italy specifically, which was the reason that most of the Irish people going to northern Italy in February and March seem to be going to this particular location.

Superfluous explanation is superfluous.

Cilldara_2000

completedit wrote: »

This is just mixed information. There is a worldwide virus wreaking havoc in a near European country. People have to be either safe or sorry. What’s the alternative? Just be like ah sure **** it, I’ll get on the bus, go to the shops, go to work and do whatever else and then spread the virus even more.

We either say that we aren’t bothered containing it and let it play out or we are on top of ALL potential cases.

On top of all potential cases means complete close down of everything and everyone barracked in their homes and we all agree not to surface again for a few weeks. Well those of us who haven't died of some other disease, starvation or the cold when the ESB stops running on account of their staff also being locked down.

facehugger99

TheAsYLuMkeY wrote: »

who should i call, GP or Ambulance service for testing, thats all.

You're seriously asking on a Social Media thread full of doom-merchants if you should call an ambulance?

Really?

Beasty

Beasty wrote: »

IBTL

5, 4, 3, 2, 1 .......

wakka12

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-11-20-intl-hnk/h_ef3ff323a2d526fff2906d0137664fc6
Almost half of Bahrain's citizens evacuated from Iran have tested positive for coronavirus.
Iran must have several million cases at this point in time

intellectual dosser

Lord TSC wrote: »

Did a big shop there.

I find it hilarious that the spaghetti is completely spaghetti is cleared off the shelves, dry and chilled. But there's LOADS of penne, tagliatelle, and loads of other pasta types. As if the shape of pasta is important....

A Tagliatelle Bolognese isn't the same, we must maintain our cuisine standards during this difficult time. Any variance from normality would only fuel the panic.

ThePopehimself

Getting very close now CinemaGuy 45...#9845 :eek::eek::eek:

amadangomor

Think I got through to a few Corvid-19 deniers today.

I mentioned the "wartime" triage situation in Italy.

The fact that older people unfortunately aren't being treated in favour of younger patients because of the shortage of ICU bed was an eyeopener for some and reality hitting home.