Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

Tomrota

gabeeg wrote: »

The reason why it's only 3 cases is probably down to the HSE's strict testing criteria

If you ring them because you have all the symptoms, they won't test you unless you've been to one of the following areas recently:

China
Hong Kong
Iran
the following regions in Italy - Lombardy, Veneto, Emilia-Romagna and Piedmont
Japan
Singapore
Republic of Korea (South Korea)

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/affectedareas/

That list is hopelessly out of date. We're in big trouble.

True. I know a girl who just got back from Italy and has a very bad cough and fever but since she wasn’t in those areas listed, HSE refused to test her. I’ve heard similar stories from other people.

fritzelly

Hodors Appletart wrote: »

this implies no more cases in the north

is that right?

Nothing new today as yet

Naggdefy

Raconteuse wrote: »

It's like: "he's an Irish public servant, therefore dodgy".

No 'it's like' I don't trust him. He's a spin merchant sent out to meet the media.

I didn't trust the two FF TDs, Dempsey was one, who said the IMF weren't coming in back in 2010.

I get that feeling from his demeanour and tone.

dublin99

This is extremely worrying.

The most significant point is that they are NOT traceable ie community acquired.

In other words, for every one that is tested and confirmed there will be a lot more spreaders in the community, some with few or no symptoms (yet).

In places where the virus has been been contained, almost each confirmed case is traced ie imported or related to an already identified case (family, colleague or have been to the same venue). Everyone else who is a close contact is then tested or quarantined or put under self isolation. In Hong Kong there are whole apartment blocks and holiday camps used for quarantine of those defined as close contacts or have returned from the Diamond Princess or on the Wuhan repatriation flights.

The transparency is also much higher. The area and housing estate/office building of work of each confirmed case is disclosed, along with details of where they have been (gym, restaurants, flight no. etc) in the last few days before confinement so other people can take extra care and realise they could have been in contact through lift buttons or door handles etc.

YFlyer

I heard from someone working at University Hospital Limerick. If there are not enough intensive care units, particularly oxygen facilities. Many of the 20% that need hospitalization could die.

Raconteuse

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I read somewhere so take it with caution that Milan is the so called "centre of fashion". It appears to be run by Chinese, who import a lot of workers to work in the industry on low wages and conditions.

They are sent back and forth for visa reasons or something.

But no proof, and nothing in MSM but sounds like there could be something behind it too.

Read something like that too about textiles being shipped from Wuhan to Milan.

jarvis

D’ya know what? I actually like Dr Tony Holohan. There I said it.

Particularly tonight he has boosted my confidence in him. Maybe it’s the lowish escalation so far and the €3 billion package. He seems very assured and maybe we aren’t as hopeless at this as we assume we are.

Hector Savage

https://twitter.com/michelle1jones_/status/1237031596982702083?s=21

cnocbui

Raconteuse wrote: »

Bound to have been asked but these threads are monsters: any idea why so high specifically in Northern Italy? Is it a trade relationship with Wuhan or something like that?

I have seen suggestions that it was business links with China, with some suggestion of illegal immigrants under the mafia thumb working in garment factories in northern Italy.

Tomato1

Some reading for you if anybody is interested.
Nothing special, just one of the several guidelines and documents issued to NAS who are doing the bulk of the testing currently.

ElBastardo1

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

ITALY 366 DEAD

575400 people died of Swine flu!
I really hope i'm wrong, I'm no expert and most of the people in this thread aren't either.

banie01

Hodors Appletart wrote: »

tell us how you "came by it" or let me guess

"you can't say"

jog on walter

Well if I'd told you how I came by it, then I would no longer be "privy" would I?,
As I said in the earlier post.
Glad to see the increase was lower than I was led to expect let's hope that the growth is contained.

As for your Walter dig...
Far from it, just have quite a wide circle of friends and acquaintances, many of whom have far more knowledge of current situation in hospitals than I do, or indeed could.

Genghis

Tomrota wrote: »

True. I know a girl who just got back from Italy and has a very bad cough and fever but since she wasn’t in those areas listed, HSE refused to test her. I’ve heard similar stories from other people.

Was she advised to self isolate?

edit_me

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

Lad in my office sitting there coughing and sneezing all day - why the fck can't these people just stay at home?

Tell this to landlord or a bank......

Sir Oxman

Immediate 14 days isolation for anyone coming into Israel
"Interior Minister Aryeh Deri said the measure would be effective immediately for all Israelis returning to the country.
It would apply to foreign citizens from Thursday
The measure means some 300,000 citizens in a country of around nine million would need to self-isolate, Israeli media report."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51809818

juno10353

https://time.com/5798168/coronavirus-mortality-rate/

otnomart

Raconteuse wrote: »

Bound to have been asked but these threads are monsters: any idea why so high specifically in Northern Italy? Is it a trade relationship with Wuhan or something like that?

As for high numbers, it could be: higher density; cultural behaviours (greeting by shaking hands and/or kissing).


Also, Italy has tested nearly 50000 people
While Germany does not publish the number of tests, and France so far has been testing much less.
So we do not have the full picture.


As for where the virus came from.


Italy did not get it directly from Wuhan (while the US did, in mid January).


The strain in Europe originates from the first patient in Germany, or Bavaria Patient 1 (shortened in BavPat1)
Source: https://nextstrain.org/


Hypothesis about the spreading of SARS-CoV-2 virus in Europe
Bavaria BavPat1 -> La Gomera -> Tenerife, Spain -> Italy
https://markdownshare.com/view/1fa5a...0-da1b19b7adf8

Spanish Eyes

So panic over in Ireland now. Great.

No need to have cancelled the Parade either I suppose. Great.

We are a nation of gullible fools who believe we are invincible and will not follow the trajectory of other countries in Europe.

Well maybe we are blessed and fortunate, hope so!

Level 42

dublin99 wrote: »

This is extremely worrying.

The most significant point is that they are NOT traceable ie community acquired.

In other words, for every one that is tested and confirmed there will be a lot more spreaders in the community, some with few or no symptoms (yet).

In places where the virus has been been contained, almost each confirmed case is traced ie imported or related to an already identified case (family, colleague or have been to the same venue). Everyone else who is a close contact is then tested or quarantined or put under self isolation. In Hong Kong there are whole apartment blocks and holiday camps used for quarantine of those defined as close contacts or have returned from the Diamond Princess or on the Wuhan repatriation flights.

The transparency is also much higher. The area and housing estate/office building of work of each confirmed case is disclosed, along with details of where they have been (gym, restaurants, flight no. etc) in the last few days before confinement so other people can take extra care and realise they could have been in contact through lift buttons or door handles etc.

In a nutshell Joe soap with a runny nose working away eating his breakfast roll he. Doesn't know he's affected because he's not a pensioner and will shake it with no 14 day isolation yet someone is making a profit on the panic

odyssey06

I started the day defending the sunday business post against allegations of scaremongering re 1.9 million cases here.

Now the Taoiseach is saying we could easily have 50-60% of the population infected.

Things are escalating quickly.

Funsterdelux

jarvis wrote: »

D’ya know what? I actually like Dr Tony Holohan. There I said it.

Particularly tonight he has boosted my confidence in him. Maybe it’s the lowish escalation so far and the €3 billion package. He seems very assured and maybe we aren’t as hopeless at this as we assume we are.

He's so hot right now

Inquitus

YFlyer wrote: »

I heard from someone working at University Hospital Limerick. If there are not enough intensive care units, particularly oxygen facilities. Many of the 20% that need hospitalization could die.

This is entirely true, if you catch a severe case then they need to either provide assisted breathing and/or re-oxygenation of the blood stream, both of which require specialised equipment, if we reach a point where those limited capacities are broached, then a choice needs to be made on grounds of age, likelyhood of survival etc. to deem who should get the priority care.

Tony Holohan & Co. give good information.

Much more valuable than Mary from Facebook having a end of the world meltdown or Seamus from up the road saying we'll be grand.

CinemaGuy45

Level 42 wrote: »

Good man

I suppose we can expect a Level43 soon:rolleyes:

niallo27

Silverfish wrote: »

This is in addition to normal deaths from other illnesses and flus.
It's not instead of or a total over all.

But but dont abuse me for mentioning the flu word but how many of these would have died from the flu if not the Cv or even normal illness.

Strazdas

Three new cases is actually very encouraging. There is no sign at all that the virus has accelerated in the last seven days.

cherryghost

Contacted the HSE, Ryanair, my companies HR dept, see if my mother-in-law will come Wednesday or not.

HSE - no action if no symptoms. Not stopping anyone coming into the country etc etc, already knew this.
Ryanair not cancelling her flight
HR tells me to contact them again on Weds, notify manager, self-isolate for 2 weeks....

So she arrives, has the time of her life with my high-risk wife and my daughter, while I'm supposed to self-isolate for 2 weeks.

4068ac1elhodqr

odyssey06 wrote: »

I started the day defending the sunday business post against allegations of scaremongering re 1.9 million cases here.
Now the Taoiseach is saying we could easily have 50-60% of the population infected.
Things are escalating quickly.

Same as the uk, they are hoping it'll 'only' be 50%, that's their target now, instead of 60-80%, using phased staging.

There, in 10days (Phase2 start) anyone with even a cold or sniffle will be told to get off the streets and self-isolate for 10days. If they don't comply, may be legally removed and quarantined.

05eaftqbrs9jlh

Great question there, why are there reports of a hospital in Kildare burning all the objects that may have come into contact with the patient who was confirmed.

Terrible answer about infection prevention and control measures being up on the HSE website, not referencing the question actually asked at all.

Tony just had a very human moment there when he almost broke down when a journalist asked them if they were wrecked from it. I don't know how a person can feel sorry for themselves when they're doggedly controling the narrative to the extent he is doing.

ArchXStanton

"Taoiseach Leo Varadkar says even if our health service was twice the size it is, "we would struggle". He said the Government is identifying ways to increase capacity in the health service"

I get the impression Leo is trying to downplay what is coming, corona virus will really expose our health system for what's it become under his government

is_that_so

6 wrote: »

Tony Holohan & Co. give good information.

Much more valuable than Mary from Facebook having a end of the world meltdown or Seamus from up the road saying we'll be grand.

Indeed well worth reading through the details they deliver.

Sir Oxman

Ariah Happy Rooster wrote: »

Same as the uk, they are hoping it'll 'only' be 50%, that's their target now, instead of 60-80%, using phased staging.

There, in 10days (Phase2 start) anyone with even a cold or sniffle will be told to get off the streets and self-isolate for 10days. If they don't comply, may be legally removed and quarantined.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51807781
UK prepares to ask even mildly sick to stay home

Fr_Dougal

Raconteuse wrote: »

Bound to have been asked but these threads are monsters: any idea why so high specifically in Northern Italy? Is it a trade relationship with Wuhan or something like that?

High population of both legal and illegal Chinese immigrants working in textile factories.

Gods Gift

cherryghost wrote: »

Contacted the HSE, Ryanair, my companies HR dept, see if my mother-in-law will come Wednesday or not.

HSE - no action if no symptoms. Not stopping anyone coming into the country etc etc, already knew this.
Ryanair not cancelling her flight
HR tells me to contact them again on Weds, notify manager, self-isolate for 2 weeks....

So she arrives, has the time of her life with my high-risk wife and my daughter, while I'm supposed to self-isolate for 2 weeks.

That’s mother in laws for ya.

Boggles

cherryghost wrote: »

Contacted the HSE, Ryanair, my companies HR dept, see if my mother-in-law will come Wednesday or not.

HSE - no action if no symptoms. Not stopping anyone coming into the country etc etc, already knew this.
Ryanair not cancelling her flight
HR tells me to contact them again on Weds, notify manager, self-isolate for 2 weeks....

So she arrives, has the time of her life with my high-risk wife and my daughter, while I'm supposed to self-isolate for 2 weeks.

You really need to stop talking to literally everyone and tell your mother-in-law to fúck off!

Underground

So are all the people who are concerned about mass layoffs overreacting?

Granted, this is a far more serious situation than swine flu and preventative measures will need to be taken, likely people working from home for a month or more. But mass layoffs? I'm not sure I see it.

People are pointing to the markets crashing as evidence of an oncoming crisis, but the prices in these markets are set by investors, humans. Humans can be irrational by nature and these prices (I suspect) are not being set by rational investors, these are people in a panic.

Achasanai

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

We are a nation of gullible fools who believe we are invincible and will not follow the trajectory of other countries in Europe.

A lot of the posters here - as well as many in the medical and government departments - would suggest that we are definitely taking this seriously, and are certainly not gullible. On the face of it, the rise in cases over the last few days has been very positive.


I wonder, though, how do we compare in terms of trajectory with regards to when other countries first reported cases? Did they see a similar 'low' rise in cases, only for it to explode at a particular point, or are we bucking the trend? It may have been asked here before, but the thread moves so fast it's difficult to keep up.

wakka12

Seems like Ireland may have escaped the growth most other European countries are experiencing, at least a 25-50% increase in daily cases

is_that_so

ArchXStanton wrote: »

"Taoiseach Leo Varadkar says even if our health service was twice the size it is, "we would struggle". He said the Government is identifying ways to increase capacity in the health service"

I get the impression Leo is trying to downplay what is coming, corona virus will really expose our health system for what's it become under his government

All of that is one big IF. I find it interesting to see how they are feeding information to the public and laying the groundwork for the possible escalation of phases to come.

namloc1980

Strazdas wrote: »

Three new cases is actually very encouraging. There is no sign at all that the virus has accelerated in the last seven days.

In Ireland anyway at the moment. Accelerating elsewhere like Italy, Spain, Germany and France.

I'd keep the champagne on ice for now.

TheRepentent

Level 42 wrote: »

People go into quarantine for 14 days come out of it then go to the pub celebrating where they have the exact same chance of catching it again.
Who's making a profit though from this because someone is. Is it man made could be. Why is there no cure are the pharma companies holding out just as they are with cancer

lol what a fukking retarded post

ITman88

edit_me wrote: »

Tell this to landlord or a bank......

Yeah not sure AIB go with the idea of I had a runny nose so jog on pal, I’ll get you again with the mortgage

owlbethere

Loughc wrote: »

Yeah that’s really good. Only 3 over the weekend too. Definitely not exploding like everyone thought it would.

At this rate I might even sell some of my loo roll.

3 cases is not too bad.

I would be worried though of people who may have it unknown to themselves. There were flights coming in from the hotspot everyday. They came through our airports and into our communities.

banie01

Boggles wrote: »

You really need to stop talking to literally everyone and tell your mother-in-law to fúck off!

Or live it up with them for the 2 weeks "isolation"!

Boggles

Achasanai wrote: »

A lot of the posters here - as well as many in the medical and government departments - would suggest that we are definitely taking this seriously, and are certainly not gullible. On the face of it, the rise in cases over the last few days has been very positive.


I wonder, though, how do we compare in terms of trajectory with regards to when other countries first reported cases? Did they see a similar 'low' rise in cases, only for it to explode at a particular point, or are we bucking the trend? It may have been asked here before, but the thread moves so fast it's difficult to keep up.

Confirmed cases go up when testing increases.

Probably the more informative stat would be how do our test numbers compare with other countries at similar points in time.

Ipso

Naggdefy wrote: »

Spain, France and Germany are rising at the same rate as Italy 10 days ago.

Are they over wide areas or clusters?

skimpydoo

Cw85 wrote: »

3 new cases, seems to be fairly well contained here, nowhere near the number of most EU countries and the UK. Crises averted I think.

I think those figures are bull****. By Friday we will get to see how really serious it is.

Akrasia

dark crystal wrote: »

People with colds won't get paid to stay in isolation for two weeks.

Have you read the guidelines at all?

If you have been told to self isolate by a GP you will get the sick pay

Level 42

namloc1980 wrote: »

It's a virus FFS. Just like the common cold there is no cure, only management of the symptoms. At least you've stocked up on the tin foil anyway.

Enjoy all your thumbs up hope you get loads for it

sonofenoch

wakka12 wrote: »

Seems like Ireland may have escaped the growth most other European countries are experiencing, at least a 25-50% increase in daily cases

Holy God will look after catholic Ireland...