what CoronaVirus precautions are your club taking?

FixdePitchmark

Iker Short Thumbnail wrote: »

I think the above is obvious but you stated a variety of specifics such as:



Again calling 0.5% as low and 4% as high is an assumption.

Movement in those numbers is a simplistic assessment of a complex topic and imo holds little value in determining anything, IMO.

Yes it is simple - but a very solid indication of where we are. (IMO)
Particularity as testing is increased.

FixdePitchmark

GreeBo wrote: »

/me checks ignored posts out of boredom.

/me happy with decision to keep on ignoring.

GreeBo

/ posts an antagonizing post with a bit of sarcasm

/ GreeBo is still no longer MOD - thank ****

xgronkjabv6pcl

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Yes it is simple - but a very solid indication of where we are. (IMO)
Particularity as testing is increased.

That's fair enough, I disagree is all. Not something I would rely on but I understand your perspective.

Perhaps its simply overexposure at this stage, not your fault, it's just 100mph 24/7.

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

GreeBo

/ posts an antagonizing post with a bit of sarcasm

/ GreeBo is still no longer MOD - thank ****

Thankfully, notwithstanding our disagreement, neither of us feel the need to act like infants.

Wow, never knew he was a mod. That's genuinely unbelievable and rather funny.

FixdePitchmark

Iker Short Thumbnail wrote: »

That's fair enough, I disagree is all. Not something I would rely on but I understand your perspective.

Perhaps its simply overexposure at this stage, not your fault, it's just 100mph 24/7.



Thankfully, notwithstanding our disagreement, neither of us feel the need to act like infants.

Wow, never knew he was a mod. That's genuinely unbelievable and rather funny.

He was mod and basically derailed every thread and ruined the forum for years.

The higher level mods have put manners on him.

But he gets out of order now and again.

I liked him, a character - only thing I couldn't ever get over with him, was laying up on a par 3. Now that covid is here, it is now confirmed - life was too short to lay up on a par 3.

HighLine

twounderpar wrote: »

https://www.golfersjournal.com/podca...andemic-diary/

Listened to this and found it hard to listen to at times. This man needs to take a step back and look after his own health and well being.
Yes it's a disaster with a small d in comparison to the nightly death figures that are coming through each evening.
I'm sure Carne will recover unlike maybe many other clubs in the same province who may never open their gates again.

Most people won't listen to that unfortunately. Similarly with reading the rules of golf or volunteering for their club. They will however offer lots of advice as to why golf clubs should be open and "sure it won't harm anyone out in the fresh air".

Break80

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

He was mod and basically derailed every thread and ruined the forum for years.

The higher level mods have put manners on him.

But he gets out of order now and again.

I liked him, a character - only thing I couldn't ever get over with him, was laying up on a par 3. Now that covid is here, it is now confirmed - life was too short to lay up on a par 3.

I remember that . Still brings a smile to my face.
I think to really brighten things up we should bring back
The Rape Of Lucinda.
He was gas.

Seve OB

RoadRunner wrote: »

I think we are close to returning to situations where we will able to remove the 2km limit and courses can reopen under Soc.Dis conditions.

Will be a savage summer for nackerdrinking

But the 2km limit is just for exercise so would have no baring.

redhill

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

He was mod and basically derailed every thread and ruined the forum for years.

The higher level mods have put manners on him.

But he gets out of order now and again.

I liked him, a character - only thing I couldn't ever get over with him, was laying up on a par 3. Now that covid is here, it is now confirmed - life was too short to lay up on a par 3.

Couldn’t agree much more with this, a number of good contributors don’t post on here since or do so much less because of issues with the “God Moderator” back then...
Just have a look at the threads now where he frequents, (now he’s back from exile) the amount of argumentative posts on them has gone away up again, makes the forum as a whole much less enjoyable IMHO
Over and out...

slave1

Okay, back to the main topic please

xgronkjabv6pcl

Something I was thinking about in relation to our discussions around golf opening backup.

Irrespective of when it occurs, perhaps we may see an uptick in the golfing numbers moving forward.

The repercussions of this will drag on for quite a while, perhaps people will be apprehensive to return to gyms, pools etc.

Golf offers the opportunity for people to socialise outisde and easily adhere to many of the social distancing measures they are now use to.

Perhaps not a full on golfing renaissance but maybe enough to reinvigorate the dwindling numbers a bit.

Golf may be the sport which actually sees some benefit from this.

Roger_007

Iker Short Thumbnail wrote: »

Something I was thinking about in relation to our discussions around golf opening backup.

Irrespective of when it occurs, perhaps we may see an uptick in the golfing numbers moving forward.

The repercussions of this will drag on for quite a while, perhaps people will be apprehensive to return to gyms, pools etc.

Golf offers the opportunity for people to socialise outisde and easily adhere to many of the social distancing measures they are now use to.

Perhaps not a full on golfing renaissance but maybe enough to reinvigorate the dwindling numbers a bit.

Golf may be the sport which actually sees some benefit from this.

One of the possible consequences of this whole episode may be that many of the more ‘prestigious’ clubs will have to review their policy on green fees. They have been raking in millions from the tourists, (mainly American), for many years by charging eye-watering green fees which are out of the reach of the average golfer in this country.
Tourist traffic is going to be in short supply for a long time so they may have to lower their sights, and their green fees, a bit and try and attract more home players.

xgronkjabv6pcl

Roger_007 wrote: »

One of the possible consequences of this whole episode may be that many of the more ‘prestigious’ clubs will have to review their policy on green fees. They have been raking in millions from the tourists, (mainly American), for many years by charging eye-watering green fees which are out of the reach of the average golfer in this country.
Tourist traffic is going to be in short supply for a long time so they may have to lower their sights, and their green fees, a bit and try and attract more home players.

I think that makes complete sense. My only thought would be that the US may be the first economy to open back up fully.

US citizens seem a little less bothered in many places by this from a health perspective. For example; https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/coronavirus-polls/?ex_cid=rrpromo

87% of Americans polled are either very worried or somewhat worried about the economy while only 71.5% are very worried or somewhat worried about the virus.

I agree I think people will be less willing to travel but assuming Americans are the primary ones driving traffic to the more prestigious courses, they’ll be ones willing to travel again the soonest.

If the elite courses can ride out the initial wave and get a few green fees here, they may be ok.
It’s the upper middle members only courses that need an active bar/restaurant and have a decent chunk of outstanding debt that are in trouble imo.

FixdePitchmark

Iker Short Thumbnail wrote: »

Something I was thinking about in relation to our discussions around golf opening backup.

Irrespective of when it occurs, perhaps we may see an uptick in the golfing numbers moving forward.

The repercussions of this will drag on for quite a while, perhaps people will be apprehensive to return to gyms, pools etc.

Golf offers the opportunity for people to socialise outisde and easily adhere to many of the social distancing measures they are now use to.

Perhaps not a full on golfing renaissance but maybe enough to reinvigorate the dwindling numbers a bit.

Golf may be the sport which actually sees some benefit from this.

Hopefully - but golf tends to be something people moved towards during strong economic times. This will be a while yet (18 months at least ?).

Also for a certain age group, say 45 or below - plenty will play a bit of golf socially , odd game , pub golf , society golf. But there was always a massive leap to go off and join a golf club - unfortunately that leap is now larger (IMO).

Even the other formats of golf , social, pub , corporate - are going to be in a vacuum for a while.

Golf is going to be cheap , and going to be back to hardcore golfers for a while , to offer a horrible silver lining - it will be dream golf for golfers like us. Less pressure on time sheets, more access to your course and other courses. And the end of this green fee that was drifting well over 50/60 euro and even worse, the 160+ euro rate that was on the go for the top level will make very little sense.

It is a horrible twist - but people remember golf post nama - it was comically cheap / below cost.

downthemiddle

Iker Short Thumbnail wrote: »

I think that makes complete sense. My only thought would be that the US may be the first economy to open back up fully.

US citizens seem a little less bothered in many places by this from a health perspective. For example; https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/coronavirus-polls/?ex_cid=rrpromo

87% of Americans polled are either very worried or somewhat worried about the economy while only 71.5% are very worried or somewhat worried about the virus.

I agree I think people will be less willing to travel but assuming Americans are the primary ones driving traffic to the more prestigious courses, they’ll be ones willing to travel again the soonest.

If the elite courses can ride out the initial wave and get a few green fees here, they may be ok.
It’s the upper middle members only courses that need an active bar/restaurant and have a decent chunk of outstanding debt that are in trouble imo.

After the Keelings fiasco the last thing we want to be doing is encouraging golf tourism. It would do untold damage to the image of the sport in this country.

FixdePitchmark

GreeBo wrote: »

/me checks ignored posts out of boredom.

/me happy with decision to keep on ignoring.

Sorry GreeBo - I thought this was pointed at me.

On the par 3 - post covid , you will surely go for it first round out ? ?

xgronkjabv6pcl

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Hopefully - but golf tends to be something people moved towards during strong economic times. This will be a while yet (18 months at least ?).

Also for a certain age group, say 45 or below - plenty will play a bit of golf socially , odd game , pub golf , society golf. But there was always a massive leap to go off and join a golf club - unfortunately that leap is now larger (IMO).

Even the other formats of golf , social, pub , corporate - are going to be in a vacuum for a while.

Golf is going to be cheap , and going to be back to hardcore golfers for a while , to offer a horrible silver lining - it will be dream golf for golfers like us. Less pressure on time sheets, more access to your course and other courses. And the end of this green fee that was drifting well over 50/60 euro and even worse, the 160+ euro rate that was on the go for the top level will make very little sense.

It is a horrible twist - but people remember golf post nama - it was comically cheap / below cost.

We’ve been in the midst of one of the longest bull markets in history, skyrocketing house prices and inflated salaries but golf memberships/participation have not moved up in relation.

I think that was the case a few years ago but the downturn in golf has less been about economics and more about recreational preferences.

In light of this situation, that may now change and people may value a more outdoor lifestyle once again, at least in the short term.

As I said, not really a Renaissance but perhaps a renewed interest in golf and similar outdoor leisure.

Whiplash85

The actual golf part of golf tourism was only a fraction of the overall golf experience for many Americans. I have played with many of them and it was more to do with the interactions with the locals, drinking Guinness, scenery, culinary experiences etc that they came. Another aspect was buying the sweater with the links logo from La Hinch or Ballybunion so they could show it off at their local country club. If the pub is closed and there are no trad sessions I dont think they'll flock here in the same numbers. Golf clubs who kept their memberships low to capitalise on green fees will have to come up with more innovative ways to make money.

FixdePitchmark

Whiplash85 wrote: »

The actual golf part of golf tourism was only a fraction of the overall golf experience for many Americans. I have played with many of them and it was more to do with the interactions with the locals, drinking Guinness, scenery, culinary experiences etc that they came. Another aspect was buying the sweater with the links logo from La Hinch or Ballybunion so they could show it off at their local country club. If the pub is closed and there are no trad sessions I dont think they'll flock here in the same numbers. Golf clubs who kept their memberships low to capitalise on green fees will have to come up with more innovative ways to make money.

The whole golf memorabilia and golf logos - is one thing I could never get my head around. Irish are not into that as much.

prawnsambo

Iker Short Thumbnail wrote: »

US citizens seem a little less bothered in many places by this from a health perspective. For example; https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/coronavirus-polls/?ex_cid=rrpromo

87% of Americans polled are either very worried or somewhat worried about the economy while only 71.5% are very worried or somewhat worried about the virus.

I would suspect that this is because income supports in the US are at best haphazard and at worst non-existent. If you can't pay your bills or get food on the table, that becomes your most pressing fear.

Dayor Knight

Apologies, disembodied point.

londonred

Looking good for opening again in 2 weeks hopefully , a lot of US States have got their courses open.

jamfer

I would not be happy about plane loads of Americans coming over here anytime soon. There is no safety net over there, there is no access to medicine if you don't have money. So they need to work in order to light, heat, feed and shelter themselves. Look at Maslows Hierarchy of needs. Those are the fundamentals, the bedrock of a persons needs. Only when they are met will a person worry about their safety. So hundreds of thousands out there screaming for the right to get back to normal in the face of a killer virus looks mad to us. Us in our European bubble, living with access to medicnes and weekly payments from the Government.

downthemiddle

londonred wrote: »

Looking good for opening again in 2 weeks hopefully , a lot of US States have got their courses open.

Are you basing this on the US or have you other information?

GreeBo

londonred wrote: »

Looking good for opening again in 2 weeks hopefully , a lot of US States have got their courses open.

Yeah, I think I'll go ahead and not follow Donald Trump's approach to handling this thanks!

xgronkjabv6pcl

londonred wrote: »

Looking good for opening again in 2 weeks hopefully , a lot of US States have got their courses open.

Best to look at the US on a state by state basis. The US has quite a devolved political system so quite a lot of the response and subsequent measures are at the discretion of the state.

If following Trumps rhetoric, he'd have you believe that he is presiding over the decision making process for all but he isn't.

There's a technicality in the way in which measures have been announced that mean that Trump cannot reverse the lockdown of states.

We are far more closely aligned to New York, New Jersey & Louisiana. If they were to open up golf then perhaps we wouldn't be far behind but looking at somewhere like Florida for example won't mean much for our situation.

blue note

I got the corballis newsletter on Friday and they showed a picture of fresh divots from the 6th tee box. And yesterday I drove down to the supermarket and passed a guy walking back from Portmarnock links with clubs on his back and a bag of practice balls in his hand. I found him particularly skiing because he was so brazen about it - literally walking through the town at the busiest time in he week not giving a fuk everyone can see what he was doing.

There's nothing clubs can do to stop people doing this. But they would really make you mad. We'd all love to be about to hit a few practice balls for an hour. Takes a particular arsehole to decide that they can go and do it because everyone else is obeying the rules.

prawnsambo

Iker Short Thumbnail wrote: »

Best to look at the US on a state by state basis. The US has quite a devolved political system so quite a lot of the response and subsequent measures are at the discretion of the state.

If following Trumps rhetoric, he'd have you believe that he is presiding over the decision making process for all but he isn't.

There's a technicality in the way in which measures have been announced that mean that Trump cannot reverse the lockdown of states.

We are far more closely aligned to New York, New Jersey & Louisiana. If they were to open up golf then perhaps we wouldn't be far behind but looking at somewhere like Florida for example won't mean much for our situation.

Yeah. For a clear reading of how it all works, here's Andrew Cuomo pretty much running out of his last few f**ks at Trump on the subject.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NelaVkZRpeY

xgronkjabv6pcl

prawnsambo wrote: »

Yeah. For a clear reading of how it all works, here's Andrew Cuomo pretty much running out of his last few f**ks at Trump on the subject.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NelaVkZRpeY

I'd say he might have a decent shot at running in 2024 now as a result of his response.

He has become incredibly popular in light of the situation. Opinion polls have him moving up 24 percentage points in NY in the last month.

The disparity between US states is mind blowing, hard to even call it a nationwide response.

I have NYC trip booked for later this year and the more I see of the NY response, the more hopeful I am.

Dr Devious

Surely if you have a huge beach beside you that’s largely deserted you can hit balls to your hearts content. That’s what I’m doing, nobody within a drivers length of me anytime.

celtic_oz

https://vm.tiktok.com/Wv4M67/