what CoronaVirus precautions are your club taking?

CalamariFritti

You have to give people some credit. People will comply. The one or two that travel 2km farther comply in the spirit of the rule. As for the ones that travel 25km. There will always be a small percentage who gonna do whatever they wanna do anyway. You just have to hope for the guards to catch them.

Grey areas do work. Rules never cater for everything. Wasn't 'grey area' the name of a culture ship, too?

Raisins

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Well maybe thats part of the problem. That its not a scientific process. But I won't get into that. The problem with this particular debate is that people are so hyped up over this thing that common sense goes out the window.

Here is Paul, John and me. We're playing together for the last 15 years. John and I live in town. Paul lives 2km outside. So how in all earnest can I explain to Paul that its ok for me and John to play but him coming along after the 18th is practically killing people?

Surely Paul doesn't need you to justify or explain the regulations set by the State? He can decide either to follow them or not. The golf regulations are the same - either follow them or don't.

Stop trying to "common sense" your way into justifying breaking the rules. There's a lot of people in life who think rules are for other people. They also think it's smart to break rules that don't make sense to them.

If they don't think RTE is very good they don't buy a tv licence. If they don't think a speed limit makes sense, they break it. If they don't think there's enough bins installed by the OPW, they litter. If they think there isn't enough staff on, and they see an opportunity they skip the queue. If they think the distance regulations don't make sense, they break them. They do what they get away with playing by their own common sense system. The fact that common sense equals what they want to do in every situation is a coincidence.

CalamariFritti

Well put admittedly.

However I definitely won't be ratting anyone out.

TXPTGR1

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Well put admittedly.

However I definitely won't be ratting anyone out.

Why not, I’d say the ven diagram of covid 5K rule breakers and “handicap managers” will overlap nicely, it will be people who deserve to be ratted out in the main

GreeBo

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Well put admittedly.

However I definitely won't be ratting anyone out.

Will/Are you obeying the rules yourself?

hawkelady

Exactly. Would you rat out your mate, Paul , if he turns up in the carpark to play? Would you ignore him ? No you wouldn’t .. you’d get out the clubs and hit a bloody white ball and chat crap ...

Maybe greenbo would disown his mate of 50 years but most decent mates wouldn’t and just get on with it.

fred funk }{

Raisins wrote: »

Surely Paul doesn't need you to justify or explain the regulations set by the State? He can decide either to follow them or not. The golf regulations are the same - either follow them or don't.

Stop trying to "common sense" your way into justifying breaking the rules. There's a lot of people in life who think rules are for other people. They also think it's smart to break rules that don't make sense to them.

If they don't think RTE is very good they don't buy a tv licence. If they don't think a speed limit makes sense, they break it. If they don't think there's enough bins installed by the OPW, they litter. If they think there isn't enough staff on, and they see an opportunity they skip the queue. If they think the distance regulations don't make sense, they break them. They do what they get away with playing by their own common sense system. The fact that common sense equals what they want to do in every situation is a coincidence.

Do you follow every rule that's imposed on you? Do you follow everything someone tells you to do no matter what it is?

Some people don't if they think it's inherently wrong.

GreeBo

hawkelady wrote: »

Exactly. Would you rat out your mate, Paul , if he turns up in the carpark to play? Would you ignore him ? No you wouldn’t .. you’d get out the clubs and hit a bloody white ball and chat crap ...

Maybe greenbo would disown his mate of 50 years but most decent mates wouldn’t and just get on with it.

Is there any chance you can argue your point without resorting to personal attacks? Its almost like your position can't be "defended" without them...:o

Golfhead65

Break80 wrote: »

I think people should pin thier colours to the mast to get an idea of their position.
I'm 17kms away and tempted.

5.7 Km and pass it most days on way home from work, this is why it's badly thought out.

CalamariFritti

GreeBo wrote: »

Will/Are you obeying the rules yourself?

Always have. Model citizen here outside debate. Wfh for 2 months and counting.

TXPTGR1

hawkelady wrote: »

Exactly. Would you rat out your mate, Paul , if he turns up in the carpark to play? Would you ignore him ? No you wouldn’t .. you’d get out the clubs and hit a bloody white ball and chat crap ...

Maybe greenbo would disown his mate of 50 years but most decent mates wouldn’t and just get on with it.

I would ring the guards on him but pretend it had nothing to do with me.

Wombatman

fred funk }{ wrote: »

Do you follow every rule that's imposed on you? Do you follow everything someone tells you to do no matter what it is?

Some people don't if they think it's inherently wrong.

Don't speak for some people, speak for yourself. Do you think the restrictions are "inherently wrong"?

Golfhead65

Stormyteacup wrote: »

This is very interesting - no use to me personally but there are plenty of golfers who have a course closer than their 'home course', and could play within their restrictions as a temporary member, great way to raise some cash too.

Would this be easy to put in place, from a paperwork, or from a club regulations regarding new members (need an existing member to put you forward), point of view?

Would existing members have objections to something like this do you think?

Would you believe that there are 5 clubs around me and all within 8.5 km but none(except City West which is closed atm) inside the 5km

GreeBo

Golfhead65 wrote: »

this is why it's badly thought out.

Do us all a favour and give us your better thought out version.

Mac_Lad71

Basil Fawlty "This is how Nazi Germany started, people poking around in other peolple's business."
Dear Golf Reichsfuhrer,
I wish to report a very serious crime.
People are travelling from outside the permitted exclusion zone to play golf. This must be stopped immediately. I have names, addresses and photos of the offenders. I suggest we give everybody outside the exclusion zone a yellow star to wear. Failure to comply with lead to offenders to be deported to camps where no golf will be permitted. In the meantime I shall continue to play golf and continue to report any offenders.
Yours in National Socialism,
Herr Langer.

prawnsambo

Golfhead65 wrote: »

5.7 Km and pass it most days on way home from work, this is why it's badly thought out.

Yep. They definitely should have consulted you.

prawnsambo

Does making comparisons with the holocaust really advance the discussion in any way?

CalamariFritti

Well we made it to page 92, thats not bad.

FixdePitchmark

Golfhead65 wrote: »

5.7 Km and pass it most days on way home from work, this is why it's badly thought out.

Are you going to play Golfhead ?

Seve OB

I’ll be honest. I’m more concerned about the people I see every day in and out of other peoples houses, sharing items, having food and drink together, kids playing together etc etc than I am about someone going outside any applicable radius to play a solitary sport where they will fully abide the social distancing rules.

Am I gonna “rat” any one out? ....... na, life is to short

FixdePitchmark

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Well we made it to page 92, thats not bad.

Not locked and no cards - fairly good going in fairness.

GreeBo

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Not locked and no cards - fairly good going in fairness.

oh there were cards alright.

fred funk }{

Wombatman wrote: »

Don't speak for some people, speak for yourself. Do you think the restrictions are "inherently wrong"?

No. I agree with them.


My reply was based on the comment below and the sneer at how some people who disagree with a rule might break it.

There's a lot of people in life who think rules are for other people. They also think it's smart to break rules that don't make sense to them.

If they don't think RTE is very good they don't buy a tv licence. If they don't think a speed limit makes sense, they break it. If they don't think there's enough bins installed by the OPW, they litter. If they think there isn't enough staff on, and they see an opportunity they skip the queue. If they think the distance regulations don't make sense, they break them. They do what they get away with playing by their own common sense system. The fact that common sense equals what they want to do in every situation is a coincidence.

FixdePitchmark

GreeBo wrote: »

oh there were cards alright.

Someone put up a name - should be deleted - bad form.

prawnsambo

Probably channelling my inner FixdePitchmark

Thinking about the 18th and somebody being inevitably stopped at a checkpoint on the way to the golf course...

"Good morning sir, could you tell me where you're going?"
"To do essential grocery shopping Garda"
"Very good sir, I presume you have your shopping bags in the boot?"
"I do indeed Garda"
"Would you mind opening the boot sir, so I can check"
[Driver pops the boot congratulating himself on his cleverness in burying his gear under a pile of shopping bags]
"There you go Garda"
[some moments elapse and then the boot is shut again]
"Very impressive collection sir, and I see you even brought your own shopping trolley"

Break80

GreeBo wrote: »

I'm within 5km of the clubhouse buy certain holes would put me more than 5km from my house.

Will you be playing on the 18th GreeBo?

FixdePitchmark

Look one of them going in 31.4 km circles at this point.

I would say - anyone playing outside the 5km , is fooling themselves trying to justify it - there is no justification , it is just what it is.

I just think of all the rules in life we break - we probably should respect this one.

Have I broken rules - yes
Could I break this rule - yes

But I know , it is the wrong thing to do when I break a rule , I can't bull**** myself as some are trying to do here.

GreeBo - If I can ask you question, I know you rarely answer them.

Have you ever broken a rule in your life ?

Euphoriasean

TXPTGR1 wrote: »

I live within 5K of my club and I plan on calling the guards if I see anyone from outside 5K playing, might Post picson Twitter to shame them too, I’ll post the hashtag here if anyone wants to do likewise

Can you get a live stream going,be some craic.

GreeBo

Break80 wrote: »

Will you be playing on the 18th GreeBo?

Yep, turns out that I'm well within the 5km limit (in fact I have 5 clubs within the 5km limit!)

Golfhead65

spacecoyote wrote: »

I'm 12km driving (8km as the crow flies) Break80. I'm going to skip the first phase, definitely. But I also have an underlying health condition so that's colouring my decision.

It's a killer, but I'd rather see how things play out a little longer before I take any chances with my own health

Can I put a hypothetical question to you Space ..and others..as it stands there is a 5km travel limit imposed and I understand that before the lockdown you weren't going to play The Curragh as you have an underlying condition..So everyone was delighted that golf was on the agenda to start back on the 18th RIGHT ? Then the realisation that the 5km restiction was not being lifted so elation to disappointment in a short period of time Bummer ! Tell me how many of the naysayers were polishing up the clubs before the 5km realisation hit home ?..So it's still not safe you say, that's for your concience ..So remember you are now looking to 8th June.its not safe to play till then as many have said and believe so they dare not go beyond this 5km limit...So now the government come out and say "Actually if you are a member of a golf club and you travel there and back alone you can go " Nothing changes from what people are going to do anyway but as many have said The Risk is greater the further you travel so we couldn't risk it...Now they haven't lifted the 5km limit to all it's just a small minority of people partaking in extra exercise..Question.. If above (hypotetically speaking were to happen would you still wait till 8th June ?? Baring in mind Risk is still there....