Coronavirus

Nobotty · 14-10-2020 1:07pm

If you need a haircut or a tooth ache sorted locally I'd advise getting on it now because I can smell level 4 plus plus coming to a Donegal near you very very soon

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 14-10-2020 3:42pm

Apparently Dr McCauley was on somewhere this morning talking about Level 4 and he said there was a meeting of GPs in Donegal yesterday and they've all reported a decline in the number of people looking for tests and the general consensus among themselves is that the level 3 restrictions are working.
I can't figure out the logic in moving the border counties to level 4 for anything other than an increase in our own numbers. Cavan's numbers are very bad at the minute, but they're not 2 full weeks into level 3 yet.

ednwireland · 14-10-2020 5:12pm

the only thing i can see changing under level 4 is that non essential none outdoor retail will close which will just push people to break the rules and travel to the north or other counties - wouldn't make sense to do it as that (i presume) isn't where the cases are coming from.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 14-10-2020 6:27pm

29 cases today.

Our 14 day incidence rate is still the 3rd highest in the country, behind Cavan and Monaghan, but there are signs that Level 3 is working. Given our Level 3 has been extended by at least 2 weeks it seems like we should be left at Level 3 for those extra 2 weeks, but they're still discussing us with the other 2 counties for more restrictions.

henke · 14-10-2020 6:58pm

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

29 cases today.

Our 14 day incidence rate is still the 3rd highest in the country, behind Cavan and Monaghan, but there are signs that Level 3 is working. Given our Level 3 has been extended by at least 2 weeks it seems like we should be left at Level 3 for those extra 2 weeks, but they're still discussing us with the other 2 counties for more restrictions.

I think they should leave us in Level 3 another while as it seems to be improving here. Cavan had 128 cases today in a smaller county than here. I don't think we ever had a day like that. I think them and Monaghan are certs for Level 4 and they will probably do the same to us but I hope not given they put us in Level 3 earlier than those counties.

CastorTroy · 14-10-2020 7:26pm

With schools in the North closing, can see ones coming to Donegal for a holiday again

malinheader · 14-10-2020 8:55pm

Donegal moved to level 4.

NIMAN · 14-10-2020 8:55pm

malinheader wrote: »

Donegal moved to level 4.

Bugger.:(

malinheader · 14-10-2020 8:58pm

Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan.
Rest of the country staying at 3.

henke · 14-10-2020 9:04pm

When is this kicking in?

malinheader · 14-10-2020 9:07pm

henke wrote: »

When is this kicking in?

Tomorrow night

muffler · 14-10-2020 9:16pm

malinheader wrote: »

Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan.
Rest of the country staying at 3.

and no visitors to homes round the entire country. This would have applied to us even if we weren't moved to level 4

malinheader · 14-10-2020 9:22pm

muffler wrote: »

and no visitors to homes round the entire country. This would have applied to us even if we weren't moved to level 4

Last chance saloon now. Still not sure if the difference between 3 and 4 will be enough.
Hope so.

Porthallian · 14-10-2020 9:32pm

Until 10th November aswell. That's a really long stretch to not visit any family members, even within your own locality. How will they even enforce that?

muffler · 14-10-2020 9:35pm

malinheader wrote: »

Last chance saloon now. Still not sure if the difference between 3 and 4 will be enough.
Hope so.

If people heed the advice then I think (hope) we should see an improvement. But there will be no improvement or very little so long as schools remain open.

muffler · 14-10-2020 9:38pm

I was just updating my previous posts and I see we have had 564 new cases in the county over the last 14 days. Thats a lot!

feelpablo · 14-10-2020 9:38pm

schools are the big one and the goverment are not admitting this

NIMAN · 14-10-2020 9:40pm

feelpablo wrote: »

schools are the big one and the goverment are not admitting this

Problem is we are hearing mixed reports on this.

Are there any stats to show school kids are spreading it?

I have heard they aren't spreaders, but social media seems to have a different opinion. We need facts though.

I think there is a lot of spreading simply from adults who aren't obeying the rules. The number of people I still see in shops with no masks or hand sanitizing is too big. And I am sure loads of families are still going to each others houses. Can't blame the kids when the adults aren't behaving.

Re: kids being at fault. My own kids are in a school of roughly 90 odd, and I don't think there has been one confirmed covid case since they restarted. And I'm sure many other schools could say the same.

henke · 14-10-2020 9:41pm

I assume businesses will still be open tomorrow? Could be a mad rush in the barbers.

feelpablo · 14-10-2020 9:45pm

NIMAN wrote: »

Problem is we are hearing mixed reports on this.

Are there any stats to show school kids are spreading it?

I have heard they aren't spreaders, but social media seems to have a different opinion. We need facts though.

I know its all anecdotal at the moment.

My wife is a secondary teacher through the gap and theres plenty of cases in the school she teaches.

my sister also teaches primary and one of the classes in her school were sent home from now until the midterm.

sp00k · 14-10-2020 9:52pm

henke wrote: »

I assume businesses will still be open tomorrow? Could be a mad rush in the barbers.

Every timeslot my barber had available has been booked up in the last half hour.

madalig12 · 14-10-2020 9:57pm

feelpablo wrote: »

I know its all anecdotal at the moment.

My wife is a secondary teacher through the gap and theres plenty of cases in the school she teaches.

my sister also teaches primary and one of the classes in her school were sent home from now until the midterm.

Lots of classes out around donegal town and in other schools. Its being kept very quiet.

feelpablo · 14-10-2020 10:00pm

madalig12 wrote: »

Lots of classes out around donegal town and in other schools. Its being kept very quiet.

This.....

This is the issue and most teachers I know have a major problem with it.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 14-10-2020 11:15pm

I think the point about schools is that kids aren't being infected at school. If you have 4 or 5 kids in a class with it, they've picked it up at home, and it's discovered when they're tested as someone else's close contact. So they're not considered "super spreaders" or whatever we're calling it. I don't know any primary school aged kids that have gotten it, but I know several teenagers who have had it and they all picked it up outside of school while socialising.

The problem with numbers getting so high is that eventually it reaches a point where you will get kids picking it up at school. If you don't want to trust what NPHET are saying about schools being safe I'd say look at what the local GPs are saying. I haven't seen any of them single out schools as a problem when our numbers were skyrocketing and their surgeries were overrun with people looking for tests.

14-10-2020 11:44pm

muffler wrote: »

If people heed the advice then I think (hope) we should see an improvement. But there will be no improvement or very little so long as schools remain open.

Exactly. There's a Facebook group, set up to inform parents of covid 19 in schools. It seems to be well run, nothing is posted without proof in the form of a copy of the letter from the school concerned, informing parents about what steps they should take.

Several schools now require parents to sign a confidentiality agreement, basically stating that they will not post information about covid-19 incidence in the school. I find that alarming. Freedom of speech is still a human right, last time I checked!

This idea that the virus is imported into the school from the Community is accurate - but I find it hard to believe that the rate the virus is spreading at since schools reopened is entirely coincidental.

Sligo, for example, has consistently had one of the lowest rates in the Country, yet cases are rising alarmingly fast since schools opened.
So, either the schools are a factor in the increase, or the people of Sligo have all suddenly changed their behaviour significantly ( I doubt it!)

I can state with certainty that there have been cases in Sligo I.T. - because I know some of the people who have been confirmed with Covid-19.
I've had kids at college. I know how the social scene works - and if anyone suggests the students are all social distancing - I'll laugh - because, like many parents, I know better.

I can't see the logic. If I were a conspiracy theorist, (which I'm not!) - I'd say that children usually have mild symptoms, and parents of schoolchildren are usually in the low(er) risk age group, so, controlled spread in those age groups might be considered as a management method by some.

Logically, however, it couldn't work in places like Donegal, because we have children from lots of Primary schools with siblings in secondary schools, and if the virus spreads primarily in households, then seeds into the school(s) - then transmission WILL happen, if not in the school, then on school buses, and through kids walking home from school.

Thats before we begin to consider the number of grandparents who babysit kids after school while their parents work.

Things aren't helped by people being talked AT, rather than to.
Personally, I'd prefer an "expert" to tell me straight out "Look, we're not sure about x, y, or z, but we are monitoring the situation, as opposed to this "There is no evidence" line. There's plenty of evidence of transmission of illness in schools. Covid-19 is highly contagious. Despite all the control measures, I don't believe it's possible for schools to entirely control transmission - no matter how hard they try.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 15-10-2020 12:02am

The Wordress wrote: »

My husband will now lose his job in another county for the next 4 weeks. Since the last Lockdown, it was hanging on by a thread anyway. I am devastated for businesses, individuals and families.

How does that work? Unless he works in Cavan or Monaghan, all other counties are still at level 3?

The Wordress · 15-10-2020 12:09am

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

How does that work? Unless he works in Cavan or Monaghan, all other counties are still at level 3?

I'm assuming he can't leave the county unless his job is classed as essential which it wouldn't be.

I have tried to find a list of essential jobs for level 4 but couldn't.

His work will clarify it for certain tomorrow.

Nobotty · 15-10-2020 12:11am

The Wordress wrote: »

I'm assuming he can't leave the county unless his job is classed as essential which it wouldn't be.

I have tried to find a list of essential jobs for level 4 but couldn't.

His work will clarify it for certain tomorrow.

List here help ?

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/c9158-essential-services-for-level-4/?referrer=http://www.gov.ie/essentialservices/

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 15-10-2020 12:12am

The Wordress wrote: »

I'm assuming he can't leave the county unless his job is classed as essential which it wouldn't be.

I have tried to find a list of essential jobs for level 4 but couldn't.

His work will clarify it for certain tomorrow.

I'm fairly sure you're allowed travel for work if you can't work at home, even if it's out of the county. There's no real change in the travel restrictions from Level 3 to Level 4.

Nobotty · 15-10-2020 12:16am

The Wordress wrote: »

I'm assuming he can't leave the county unless his job is classed as essential which it wouldn't be.

I have tried to find a list of essential jobs for level 4 but couldn't.

His work will clarify it for certain tomorrow.

You are allowed as far as I know to go to work if your work cannot be done online
This as I understand it includes leaving your county for that work
Get your husbands employer to do a note to that effect on headed oaper and proceed on that basis
Please remind him to social distance, wash hands frequently etc and proceed on that basis for now is my advice

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