Football & Coronavirus [READ MOD NOTE IN FIRST POST - updated 06-05-20]

MD1990

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https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/premier-league-void-season-2020-coronavirus-liverpool-title-efl-legal-challenge-a9437081.html

Todays Independent article discussing this.

"Premier League support to void season grows but legal minefield awaits if EFL are cut adrift"

This is why the vast majority of the clubs are determined - some sources would say “desperate” - to complete the campaign.

you left out this part.

It's a shítty outcome, but I think the Euros should be the lowest on the priority list when it comes to finding time to resume this domestic season(s) and play the next one as unaffected as possible.

"Yeah right...over UEFA's bankrupt body!" is probably how that would fly with them in reality though.

Morzadec

Good line from that Independent article:

"Many who are against voiding the season have meanwhile raised the understandable issue of sporting integrity, but that goes even bigger. There’s the consequential issue of public trust in the competition.

If a league is voided, and the game effectively says certain games don’t matter, it means no result can ever be relied upon. The contract with supporters will have been broken. That could have far deeper repercussions than anything else. And it is all the more pressing given the inevitability that 2020-21 will have to be truncated and postponed at some point, and the greater ease of working around that knowledge, which makes it even more pointless to try and rush a decision on this season."

Leaving aside tribal loyalties, I would have thought anyone who truly loves the game would want this season to finish for this reason.

To be honest if this season was nulled and voided I would lose a lot of interest in next season. Corona will still be around in late 2020 so if we get started in September 2020 with the 20/21 season, we'll be watching every result half-thinking "Does this result even matter?" "Will the season just get voided again?". I think that the league loses a lot of its appeal, its drama, its emotion in this scenario, surely even those who love the idea of Liverpool being denied the title can see that? Would your love of the game not trump your hatred of Liverpool?

I would imagine the Premier League are factoring this in, so while voiding the season would be a huge legal nightmare and incur a massive financial penalty for breaching the broadcasting contracts, I would imagine that they are also considering the brand damage that voiding this season would result in.

Weepsie

And what about Milan and Chelsea and other teams. Do their various band for this season carry on or not?

If the league was maybe only 1/4 -1/3 done then it'd be grand. You could get away with it, but there are teams (Lazio, Liverpool, Leipzig) having the chance of a title taken away from them and teams who don't deserve to stay up getting a second crack.


I'd be all for finishin the season at some point, and then worry about the next season.

Scrap the nation's league and international friendlies for a time being too

noodler

MD1990 wrote: »

you left out this part.

Course he did.

8-10

Weepsie wrote: »

Scrap the nation's league and international friendlies for a time being too

International friendlies should stop being a thing in my view

The_Kew_Tour

noodler wrote: »

Course he did.

It must be great to be able say what you like eh

irelandrover

8-10 wrote: »

International friendlies should stop being a thing in my view

How would international managers trial players, or prepare for tournaments? Why would you scrap international friendlies and not club friendlies?

citytillidie

International Friendlies in Europe have been scrapped apart from the lead up to a tournament in favour of this International League system where all games count towards something.

ozzy jr

Morzadec wrote: »

Good line from that Independent article:

"Many who are against voiding the season have meanwhile raised the understandable issue of sporting integrity, but that goes even bigger. There’s the consequential issue of public trust in the competition.

If a league is voided, and the game effectively says certain games don’t matter, it means no result can ever be relied upon. The contract with supporters will have been broken. That could have far deeper repercussions than anything else. And it is all the more pressing given the inevitability that 2020-21 will have to be truncated and postponed at some point, and the greater ease of working around that knowledge, which makes it even more pointless to try and rush a decision on this season."

Leaving aside tribal loyalties, I would have thought anyone who truly loves the game would want this season to finish for this reason.

To be honest if this season was nulled and voided I would lose a lot of interest in next season. Corona will still be around in late 2020 so if we get started in September 2020 with the 20/21 season, we'll be watching every result half-thinking "Does this result even matter?" "Will the season just get voided again?". I think that the league loses a lot of its appeal, its drama, its emotion in this scenario, surely even those who love the idea of Liverpool being denied the title can see that? Would your love of the game not trump your hatred of Liverpool?

I would imagine the Premier League are factoring this in, so while voiding the season would be a huge legal nightmare and incur a massive financial penalty for breaching the broadcasting contracts, I would imagine that they are also considering the brand damage that voiding this season would result in.

Finishing the season isn't about sporting integrity, it's not about public trust in the competition and it's most certainly not about the contract with the supporter being broken, it's about greed.

Club's want money, Sky want money, sponsors want money, players want money, agents want money., the FA want money, UEFA want money.........

Iused2likebusts

ozzy jr wrote: »

Finishing the season isn't about sporting integrity, it's not about public trust in the competition and it's most certainly not about the contract with the supporter being broken, it's about greed.

Club's want money, Sky want money, sponsors want money, players want money, agents want money., the FA want money, UEFA want money.........

Money will be very important not just in football but every industry for us as a race to get back to where we want to be. Solutions need to be found in all industries, areas of life when things settle down a bit. The world cant just go into lockdown for a year.

ozzy jr

ozzy jr wrote: »

Finishing the season isn't about sporting integrity, it's not about public trust in the competition and it's most certainly not about the contract with the supporter being broken, it's about greed.

Club's want money, Sky want money, sponsors want money, players want money, agents want money., the FA want money, UEFA want money.........

But that's kinda an issue about the game in general, not just the narrow question about what to do with this season.

8-10

irelandrover wrote: »

How would international managers trial players, or prepare for tournaments? Why would you scrap international friendlies and not club friendlies?

I'd be fine without international football altogether

8-10

8-10 wrote: »

I'd be fine without international football altogether

And that's your choice.

I'd be far more invested in my national team than some random club in England that I picked when I was a kid.

8-10

Deleted User wrote: »

And that's your choice.

I'd be far more invested in my national team than some random club in England that I picked when I was a kid.

I know plenty of people who are the same, but still dislike meaningless games against Oman, China and Canada

Pauliedragon

8-10 wrote: »

I know plenty of people who are the same, but still dislike meaningless games against Oman, China and Canada

Each to their own I agree but games like Watford V Burnley or Norwich V Bournemouth don't exactly get the juices flowing either. Every competition has mickey mouse games.

8-10

Pauliedragon wrote: »

Each to their own I agree but games like Watford V Burnley or Norwich V Bournemouth don't exactly get the juices flowing either. Every competition has mickey mouse games.

International friendlies aren't a competition though, or linked to one.

Brazil for example sold their rights to their friendlies to a third party company who schedule random games around the world against different opponents. The locals in Brazil rarely get to see their team play at home as they're off in Singapore or Miami or UAE playing a random game that means nothing except for the company making money

They've played 3 of their last 23 friendlies in Brazil going back 5 years

noodler

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

It must be great to be able say what you like eh

Misrepresentation of an article to get a reaction...i guess it is great being able to say what you like, yeah.

The_Kew_Tour

noodler wrote: »

Misrepresentation of an article to get a reaction...i guess it is great being able to say what you like, yeah.

:cool:

The_Kew_Tour

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

:cool:

He is obsessed with me. It's his thing

Pauliedragon

8-10 wrote: »

International friendlies aren't a competition though, or linked to one.

Brazil for example sold their rights to their friendlies to a third party company who schedule random games around the world against different opponents. The locals in Brazil rarely get to see their team play at home as they're off in Singapore or Miami or UAE playing a random game that means nothing except for the company making money

They've played 3 of their last 23 friendlies in Brazil going back 5 years

Fair enough I'm not too fussed either way but I've no vested interest in any Premier league team so I get more emotional about watching Ireland play as bad as they are. I enjoy the Premier league all the same and I never really cared about this idea that it's all money cause it's a business and I'm a capitalist at heart. Where my stance has changed is multiple ambulance services will have to be pulled off the street in the middle of a pandemic to cater for a handful of players whilst the rest of the world is staring down the barrel of horrendous disease plus potentially economic hardship. I just can't see how it can be justified.

noodler

[Deleted User] wrote: »

He is obsessed with me. It's his thing

Sure isn't that what you and Binty strive for?

Brinty*

8-10

Pauliedragon wrote: »

Fair enough I'm not too fussed either way but I've no vested interest in any Premier league team so I get more emotional about watching Ireland play as bad as they are. I enjoy the Premier league all the same and I never really cared about this idea that it's all money cause it's a business and I'm a capitalist at heart. Where my stance has changed is multiple ambulance services will have to be pulled off the street in the middle of a pandemic to cater for a handful of players whilst the rest of the world is staring down the barrel of horrendous disease plus potentially economic hardship. I just can't see how it can be justified.

Fully agree. And I've no issues with anyone supporting any team - as long as it brings you joy more power to you whether it's a random team, local team, national team, women's team or your second team. And as you say doesn't matter how good or bad they might be it's about supporting your team.

But international friendlies to me are more like training sessions or money spinners these days. If you get joy from them, fair enough, but overall I don't watch international football much so wouldn't miss it, particularly friendlies which bring me no joy whatsoever

https://twitter.com/MailSport/status/1244976508160049152

Chuck Noland

Deleted User wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MailSport/status/1244976508160049152

It’s getting harder and harder too see a way out of this without solicitors letters flying. I’d assume the insurance company’s of Sky/BT & The Premier League will end up with a huge say as it won’t be Sky/BT or The Premier League settling the law suits it will be their insurance company’s

Solid source

gimli2112

but you just wait for this to blow over and then start up again or is the Mail suggesting football never comes back?

Collie D

The Mail suggested on Sunday that Michel Barnier infected Boris so they’re best ignored.

Bothers me a lot more than it should when I see Irish people quoting “news” from that particular source.

noodler

Some good points raised.

This virus will be around for years, does that mean there'll be no insurance and therefore no football?

citytillidie

Same for every Joe Bloggs in the street too, if you get COViD 19 hard ie in the hospital and ICU, come out of it and do not have life insurance you will struggle to get it afterwards

~Rebel~

[Deleted User] wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MailSport/status/1244976508160049152

I’m not sure why the headline refers to it as being a blow to the season being completed... it’s not, it’s a blow to football returning in any capacity. The effect is identical whether they resume the current season or start a new season. (Though I guess their less-than-truthful approach gets more clicks).

Seems like something that could be ironed out with the insurers easily enough. Given that every player needs to be insured, they’re in a position of power with regards to the insurer they use - if one agrees to cover Covid-19 (or viruses generally) in their policy, and others don’t, the others will simply no longer be chosen as insurers. So with a bit of pressure from the PFA, I could see this being added into all their contracts. It seems like a clarification/qualification issue really, where the insurer simply needs to add this in the list of potential critical issues, which obviously it should be in anyway, under the worst of circumstances.

Fitz*

https://twitter.com/skysports_bryan/status/1245373468293705730?s=19

Zico

~Rebel~ wrote: »

It seems like a clarification/qualification issue really, where the insurer simply needs to add this in the list of potential critical issues, which obviously it should be in anyway, under the worst of circumstances.

Google uninsurable risks.

Or ask someone who has basic knowledge of insurance.

~Rebel~

Zico wrote: »

Google uninsurable risks.

Or ask someone who has basic knowledge of insurance.

I don’t quite see how this falls under that though?

Great news today everyone in case it was missed in the Premier league thread.

UEFA committed to finishing this season whenever that may be :)

Uefa and the collective European leagues are committed to completing the 2019/20 domestic and continental seasons before 2020/21 begins, and are now actively planning for the major showpiece finals to be played behind closed doors, with voiding the campaign “off the table”.

The governing body staged another videoconference on Wednesday about player contracts and the transfer window amid the coronavirus crisis, but The Independent has been told by multiple sources that detailed discussions have already taken place about the fate of this season. All parties are fully aligned with the English view that the campaign must be completed, whenever that is.

Rest of story here

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/champions-league-coronavirus-uefa-europa-league-a9439381.html

Tom Mann Centuria

Belgian League has called it quits and finished the season. Correctly imo, as a result Brugge are named champions but relegation to be decided.

Precedent set.

Tom Mann Centuria

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

Belgian League has called it quits and finished the season. Correctly imo, as a result Brugge champions but relegation to be decided.

Correct call given the league was mathematically over anyway from a winners perspective but not sure about bottom end of table.

Only one game left was there and 15+ points clear?
Only got some of it on the radio.

Tom Mann Centuria

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Correct call given the league was mathematically over anyway from a winners perspective but not sure about bottom end of table.

Only one game left was there and 15+ points clear?
Only got some of it on the radio.

Yeah, someone isn't going to be happy. I'd worry if I was in promotion place in their 2nd division, usually the lower leagues that get stiffed.

Tom Mann Centuria

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

Yeah, someone isn't going to be happy. I'd worry if I was in promotion place in their 2nd division, usually the lower leagues that get stiffed.

European spots will be given to current positions even though its still up for grabs.

Vote on whether to endorse it on April 15th.


Finishing seasons as is could well be the done thing, who knows.

Fitz*

Belgium have a play off system with the top 6 teams playing a secondary mini league after the main league has taken place. They have just canceled the play off aspect to the league and taken the team who are 15 points clear as champions.

The play offs involve the top 6 teams playing each other home & away again.

Iused2likebusts

FitzShane wrote: »

Belgium have a play off system with the top 6 teams playing a secondary mini league after the main league has taken place. They have just canceled the play off aspect to the league and taken the team who are 15 points clear as champions.

The play offs involve the top 6 teams playing each other home & away again.

So the team at the top requires 5 more wins to win the league. Still is the 2nd fairest thing to do but would be best to finish it if possible. Less reliant on TV money Id assume is the reason there.

citytillidie

Belgium after 30 games the top 6 their points and halved and rounded up if needed then another 10 games are played. So Club Brugge lead would have been cut down to 7 points with 10 games to go.

Rayne Wooney

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

Belgian League has called it quits and finished the season. Correctly imo, as a result Brugge are named champions but relegation to be decided.

Precedent set.

The Belgian league doesn’t set precedents

Also lol at the relegation to be decided part, the financial implications of that in the PL means it will never happen

poppers

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

The Belgian league doesn’t set precedents

Bosman ruling say hello (I know it ended in European court)

dreamers75

4 tweets from a "footballer"

https://twitter.com/JonWalters19/status/1245804213185253376

https://twitter.com/JonWalters19/status/1245804315811418113

https://twitter.com/JonWalters19/status/1245804648126197760

https://twitter.com/JonWalters19/status/1245804773384826880

FYI there are 2.5 million millionaires in England and 512 PL footballers.

No idea how this will display

PhilipsR

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Correct call given the league was mathematically over anyway from a winners perspective but not sure about bottom end of table.

Only one game left was there and 15+ points clear?
Only got some of it on the radio.

The league wasn’t mathematically over. So do you still think this..? Or I guess because it doesn’t suit your agenda now you’ll disagree...?

The_Kew_Tour

Large rise in cases might be linked to CL tie

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2020/0402/1128196-liverpool-virus-surge-could-be-linked-to-atletico-game/

And with that everything gets delayed more and more

8-10

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Large rise in cases might be linked to CL tie

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2020/0402/1128196-liverpool-virus-surge-could-be-linked-to-atletico-game/

And with that everything gets delayed more and more

Yeah as I said I remember hugging randomers in the Kop when Firmino's goal went in. It was bedlam, the opposite of social distancing.

Shouldn't have gone ahead. Regret going myself.

PhilipsR

PhilipsR wrote: »

The league wasn’t mathematically over. So do you still think this..? Or I guess because it doesn’t suit your agenda now you’ll disagree...?

One game left with 15 points clear?

I asked the question to another poster not you