Football & Coronavirus [READ MOD NOTE IN FIRST POST - updated 06-05-20]

The_Kew_Tour

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/juventus/story/4081765/juventus-would-not-accept-winning-serie-a-title-due-to-coronavirus-fa-chief?src=com

Juventus would not accept winning Serie A title due to coronavirus - FA chief

No surprise there. Fans came out yesterday and was only time the club would

brinty

Deleted User wrote:

Juventus would not accept winning Serie A title due to coronavirus - FA chief

The mark of a decent club, if they can't win it on the field they won't accept it

citytillidie

lol praising Juventus for saying they will not claim the title if the season there is voided, forgetting they are still claiming those titles they won by match fixing so much for being a decent club

brinty

citytillidie wrote:

lol parsing Juventus for saying they will not claim the title if the season there is voided, forgetting they are still claiming those titles they won by match fixing so much for being a decent club

Relax will you, nobody died

Fantastic news today lads.

brinty

6 wrote:

Fantastic news today lads.

What?

Juventus not being willing to accept a title they didn't win on the pitch?

That's great leadership

NIMAN

Hold on, there's 2.5 million millionaires in the UK?

Nonsense.

So 1 in every 24 people is a millionaire?

The_Kew_Tour

NIMAN wrote: »

Hold on, there's 2.5 million millionaires in the UK?

Nonsense.

So 1 in every 24 people is a millionaire?

Isn't it 1 in 33 in Dublin or close to that

brinty

brinty wrote: »

What?

Juventus not being willing to accept a title they didn't win on the pitch?

That's great leadership

Season will be finished. Uefa and Premier league have the heads screwed on. Great leadership for sure. Other heads falling off all over the place on social media !

Pauliedragon

sugarman wrote: »

Why good?

The only one benefiting for the most part is the owners.

PL players pay roughly £700m in taxes to the UK government each year from the wages they earn.

A 30% paycut bring would that down to around £450m.

£250m would go a long way to helping out the NHS and other government resources.

Dead right. Any pay cut the players take should go towards the staff on average wages at clubs so they don't lose their jobs.

Harry Palmr

NIMAN wrote: »

Hold on, there's 2.5 million millionaires in the UK?

Nonsense.

So 1 in every 24 people is a millionaire?

Property. A big chunk of which is inherited or will be, be it a townhouse in London/Edinburgh or East Anglian arable farms.

fyfe79

citytillidie wrote: »

lol parsing Juventus for saying they will not claim the title if the season there is voided, forgetting they are still claiming those titles they won by match fixing so much for being a decent club

brinty wrote: »

Relax will you, nobody died

Isn't laughing out loud a sign of being relaxed?

Martin Tyler AgueroooOO

brinty wrote: »

Relax will you, nobody died

Well actually close to 60 thousand people worldwide have died so far due Covid-19.

citytillidie

fyfe79 wrote: »

Isn't laughing out loud a sign of being relaxed?

Would not worry about him, he gets upset when the table is posted

noodler

[Deleted User] wrote: »

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/juventus/story/4081765/juventus-would-not-accept-winning-serie-a-title-due-to-coronavirus-fa-chief?src=com

Juventus would not accept winning Serie A title due to coronavirus - FA chief

That's big of them, one point ahead of second place!

Would be pretty brazen of them to try and paint themselves as being in the same positions as those clubs who have run away with it all season.

noodler

brinty wrote: »

Relax will you, nobody died

I'd love to think this isn't a sad pathetic Heysel reference... I really would

citytillidie

noodler wrote: »

I'd love to think this isn't a sad pathetic Heysel reference... I really would

Even if it’s not it is pretty distasteful with the number of people who have died with this corona virus

noodler

noodler wrote: »

That's big of them, one point ahead of second place!

Would be pretty brazen of them to try and paint themselves as being in the same positions as those clubs who have run away with it all season.

More like they haven't mathematically won it
Like plenty of clubs

brinty

noodler wrote:

I'd love to think this isn't a sad pathetic Heysel reference... I really would

What would make you think this a reference to Heysel? You really do love to think the worst of everything I say. You have such an innate ability to think the worst and then type it out. Are you that paranoid?

I'm not sure what your issue is with me but probably better if you didn't get so worked up in response to what I say every time I post.

fyfe79

noodler wrote: »

I'd love to think this isn't a sad pathetic Heysel reference... I really would

citytillidie wrote: »

Even if it’s not it is pretty distasteful with the number of people who have died with this corona virus

But any reference to herd immunity - a valid scientific concept - is a particular brand of heresy/stupidity/lunacy, exclusive to Irish football fans who happened to begin supporting Liverpool as kids, though!

*Personal disclaimer - I don't believe total herd immunity is the answer to the virus as hospitals would become overloaded and the death toll would spiral. However, partial herd immunity is actually what has happened thus far up until the point of lockdown, and will continue again following the end of lockdown up to the point of a second lockdown, and so forth. First wave, second wave etc. It is what's required as the alternative (strict lockdown for 12-18 months) would have far, far more devastating long terms consequences to society in terms of mental and physical health, the economy etc than this virus.*

Phew!

brinty

Deleted User wrote:

More like they haven't mathematically won it Like plenty of clubs

Excellent point, the race by some to claim titles they haven't earned on the field of play is astonishing. It's honestly embarrassing.

As Juventus fans and now the club have come out and said they've not earned it on the porch so they wouldn't accept being awarded a title.

I don't get why some are so desperate to jump on every delay as a sign things will get finished.

The_Kew_Tour

Daily Record still going along line season is over with Celtic Champions and Hearts Relegated. Just want see that for the outrage

fyfe79

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Daily Record still going along line season is over with Celtic Champions and Hearts Relegated. Just want see that for the outrage

Not outrage from Liverpool fans surely? If they just void the season in Scotland, without any outcome, then yeah Liverpool fans may get nervous. But if they're making decisions based on current league position, it's possibly good news for LFC in case the same needs to happen in England, no?

My own take is that I wouldn't want LFC handed the league without completing the season. I also don't see why a 75% complete season should be axed in order to start from 0% and simply hope that it finishes? Whenever it's safe to do so, resume the season, then worry about the next.

The_Kew_Tour

fyfe79 wrote: »

Not outrage from Liverpool fans surely? If they just void the season in Scotland, without any outcome, then yeah Liverpool fans may get nervous. But if they're making decisions based on current league position, it's possibly good news for LFC in case the same needs to happen in England, no?

My own take is that I wouldn't want LFC handed the league without completing the season. I also don't see why a 75% complete season should be axed in order to start from 0% and simply hope that it finishes? Whenever it's safe to do so, resume the season, then worry about the next.

What you on about? What in God's name does Celtic and Hearts got do with Liverpool:pac::pac:.

fyfe79

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

What you on about? What in God's name does Celtic and Hearts got do with Liverpool:pac::pac:.

You mention outrage so since we're on Boards I assumed you meant from Liverpool fans, since you're a Utd fan.

If you meant from the general public in Scotland (eg Rangers fans), then I apologise. ::)

Axterix champions elect.

Trigger

fyfe79 wrote: »

You mention outrage so since we're on Boards I assumed you meant from Liverpool fans, since you're a Utd fan.

If you meant from the general public in Scotland (eg Rangers fans), then I apologise. ::)

Iirc Kew is a Hibs fan

fyfe79

Have not followed the SPL in years - just took a look at the table there. What the hell happened Hearts? I always remember them being the 3rd best club up there.

Also, didn't know Rangers were so far behind Celtic. They were having a good Europa league run so I thought they were in better shape in the league.

The_Kew_Tour

fyfe79 wrote: »

You mention outrage so since we're on Boards I assumed you meant from Liverpool fans, since you're a Utd fan.

If you meant from the general public in Scotland (eg Rangers fans), then I apologise. ::)

Ah fair enough. Be outrage up there and rightly or wrongly though depending on what side you are on

fyfe79

fyfe79 wrote: »

Have not followed the SPL in years - just took a look at the table there. What the hell happened Hearts? I always remember them being the 3rd best club up there.

Also, didn't know Rangers were so far behind Celtic. They were having a good Europa league run so I thought they were in better shape in the league.

It's a joke league at this stage. Still bringing religion into it. That league could really struggle with a prolonged break. I'd assume a few clubs are strapped for cash.

DM_7

https://twitter.com/sistoney67/status/1246431017470222336?s=19

Premier league is going to be under more and more scrutiny and lose a lot of goodwill if teams keep this up.

Great that staff will be paid but government footing the largest part instead of clubs with a lot of money behind them will be viewed poorly.

brinty

6 wrote:

Pity champions elect.

Fyp

Skylinehead

The club has confirmed those staff will be paid 100 per cent of their salaries

80% from the government scheme which a club like Liverpool (or Spurs, or any of the other PL clubs that have used this) has no business being part of. Very disingenuous PR.

~Rebel~

Skylinehead wrote: »

80% from the government scheme which a club like Liverpool (or Spurs, or any of the other PL clubs that have used this) has no business being part of. Very disingenuous PR.

Are there institutions/corporations it doesn’t apply to? I don’t know enough about it, but had been under the impression it was literally for everyone in paid employment. (Also if anyone knows, have they figured out what to do with freelancers?)

noodler

I'd feel embarrassed accepting a title when I was one point ahead of the opponent.

25 though? Not even City think that would be "embarrassing".

Amazing mental gymnastics by the gruesome twosome to conflate the two though.

Skylinehead

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Are there institutions/corporations it doesn’t apply to? I don’t know enough about it, but had been under the impression it was literally for everyone in paid employment. (Also if anyone knows, have they figured out what to do with freelancers?)

No, it is a free-for-all, but the point of it is for struggling businesses. Not football clubs with massive cash piles.

brinty

~Rebel~ wrote:

Are there institutions/corporations it doesn’t apply to? I don’t know enough about it, but had been under the impression it was literally for everyone in paid employment. (Also if anyone knows, have they figured out what to do with freelancers?)

Club continues to pay salary of players over 100k a week, players not doing anything to help them or the NHS

Club accepts government aid to pay people on less than 500 quid a week

#Disgraceful

DeanAustin

Skylinehead wrote: »

No, it is a free-for-all, but the point of it is for struggling businesses. Not football clubs with massive cash piles.

Do the clubs themselves have massive cash piles? Looking at Liverpool’s last set of accounts, they had 37 million in cash. That’d probably keep them going for 2-3 months if they’re paying player wages.

Clubs are forking out millions a week in player wages and have pretty much nothing coming in.

brinty

DeanAustin wrote:

Clubs are forking out millions a week in player wages and have pretty much nothing coming in.

This is the thing, could the players not donate some of their wages to pay these low paid employees.

Look at Manchester United yesterday, the players donated 30% of their salary for April to the NHS in the Manchester area.

DeanAustin

brinty wrote: »

This is the thing, could the players not donate some of their wages to pay these low paid employees.

Look at Manchester United yesterday, the players donated 30% of their salary for April to the NHS in the Manchester area.

Yeah I’d agree. Players apparently want some control of where the money is going and the PFA seem to be involved in negotiating it. I can understand their stance but they need to realise that clubs don’t have a bottomless pit of cash or anything like it.

The clubs also can’t do anything about the players and paying them I’d imagine. Stop paying them and the players could walk and it’s a lot harder to replace Harry Kane or Sadio Mane than John or Mary who work in the club shop.

It’s a **** position for everyone but I’m sure the players and clubs will do the right thing.

Rayne Wooney

Thankfully they won’t be handing out a PL title after 29 games, so there’s no need to debate about how stupid an idea it is

There will be no football until July.

PARlance

Really surprised to see Liverpool opting for the government bailout.

You would expect it from Newcastle/Ashley and Spurs/Levy would be the next suggestion but wouldn't have put Liverpool along with them.

Drumpot

PARlance wrote: »

Really surprised to see Liverpool opting for the government bailout.

You would expect it from Newcastle/Ashley and Spurs/Levy would be the next suggestion but wouldn't have put Liverpool along with them.

Agreed, they may lose a lot of goodwill they have built up over the last few years.

brinty wrote: »

This is the thing, could the players not donate some of their wages to pay these low paid employees.

Look at Manchester United yesterday, the players donated 30% of their salary for April to the NHS in the Manchester area.

I’d be very cynical of anything Manchester United does but they do excel at promoting/marketing themselves and PR for the club. I’d say they might think it worth continuing on paying the staff just as a PR excercise for good news. Actually makes sense , particularly if there is more and more disillusionment with this furlough bullsh*t.

Shame on clubs abusing the government system because they can. It’s one thing cutting costs but the optics is awful, one person still getting millions from a club while staff whose wages are relatively peanuts will get only 20% from the club.

J. Marston

You'll Never Walk Alone*

*Unless money comes into the equation. In which case, you certainly will walk alone.

Corholio

Genuinely surprised at that from Liverpool. Really thought that they wouldn't go down that route.

Zebra3

Corholio wrote: »

Genuinely surprised at that from Liverpool. Really thought that they wouldn't go down that route.

Why not?

Sure they destroyed their local community.

DeanAustin

People here are living in Disneyland. More clubs will go down this route. English football clubs don’t have massive stockpiles of cash despite the revenue they generate. Their revenue streams have almost completely dried up. Even if players take a 30% pay cut, clubs will still be forking out millions in wages every month.

This situation is not sustainable beyond a few months without clubs borrowing a lot of money or games being played behind closed doors. I know everyone assumes greed when clubs do anything motivated by money and a lot of the time that’s justified but right now, clubs are looking at how they’ll survive in any sort of reasonable shape.

Fitz*

brinty wrote: »

Club continues to pay salary of players over 100k a week, players not doing anything to help them or the NHS

Club accepts government aid to pay people on less than 500 quid a week

#Disgraceful

Well that's just wrong anyways and not surprising from you and other posters who just want to get digs in. There is plenty good that has come out of the club so far in this crisis.

Jordan Henderson is the player behind the big player initiative to organise a big fund of money form all PL players to give to the NHS. So the players are doing something to help the NHS.

So if you are going to go on big rants about how disgraceful the club is, at least get your facts right first.

Zebra3 wrote: »

Why not?

Sure they destroyed their local community.

Jordan Henderson, and Andy Robertson are also the 2 main players behind the initiative to raise £40,000 to give to the food banks in the Liverpool area, which the club then matched and gave another £40,000. And Robertson is a huge driver behind this and regularly contributes to food banks in Liverpool & Scotland

Liverpool as a club have also committed to paying each of the Anfield match day staff for all remaining games this season, even if they don't take place. This cost £700,000.

Of course the news today of the furlough of the remaining staff (I don't know which remaining staff there is or how many etc) is not good but as I said earlier at least the staff are getting their wages. But the fact it's coming mainly from the government fund is not good I agree. That should be for small business not big corporations.

There is also ongoing talks with senior players about wage cuts or deferrals.

PARlance wrote: »

Really surprised to see Liverpool opting for the government bailout.

You would expect it from Newcastle/Ashley and Spurs/Levy would be the next suggestion but wouldn't have put Liverpool along with them.

I agree with you here. Surprised myself as I said above. I thought they club would commit to paying all staff, just as they had done with the match day aquad. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if a lot more clubs go down this route too. Spurs, afaik, gave staff pay cuts before they handed out furloughs to staff.

There will be more clubs doing the same yet.

J. Marston

Piss-taking aside, United are gonna do it too. It's a matter of time and I'll be scathing of them too when they do it.

Talk about cash flow and football clubs not having unlimited money all you want. But when things get back to normal they'll be one of the fastest businesses to get back in the black so they should take a serious hit now, because they can.

DeanAustin

J. Marston wrote: »

Piss-taking aside, United are gonna do it too. It's a matter of time and I'll be scathing of them too when they do it.

Talk about cash flow and football clubs not having unlimited money all you want. But when things get back to normal they'll be one of the fastest businesses to get back in the black so they should take a serious hit now, because they can.

Where should they get the money once the cash runs out?