Football & Coronavirus [READ MOD NOTE IN FIRST POST - updated 06-05-20]

~Rebel~

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

If the clubs are happy then I be happy. Clubs want season finished. But reckon under own ground at very least. Festival of football is bit risky till things are safe.

Agree with your second part.

Far from expert myself but hopefully some agreement from leagues in UEFA can be made cause a few who do their own thing will cause problems too..

Yeah, definitely need a cohesive big-picture approach across Europe on how they're going to manage to the next few years, not just the next few months. Ideally should be rolling any plans around making them fit the next winter World Cup, and from there can start working back towards a 'normal' schedule. That is unless they simply decide to stick with summer leagues from now on.

brick tamland

Once it goes past 30th of June (and it obviously will) getting into very murky water contract wise. All very well saying sure Willian will sign a short term extension but its a very different matter for the 1000s of lower league players that will be out of contract on the same date. Presuming all league will have to be finished, not just the top ones

gstack166

https://twitter.com/mailsport/status/1247170200753057792?s=21

Not a good week for Liverpool by any means. Disgraceful.

Some amount of face lost in just the space of a couple of days
Club looking very bad

Alonso77

Worst in the world - dont see how the club can really continue after this - Klopp needs to look at his options too - maybe take a few yrs out to reflect on himself.

gstack166

Alonso77 wrote: »

Worst in the world - dont see how the club can really continue after this - Klopp needs to look at his options too - maybe take a few yrs out to reflect on himself.

Don’t see how Klopp is to blame in any of this. I agree with your first point though.

Your Airbag

gstack166 wrote: »

Don’t see how Klopp is to blame in any of this. I agree with your first point though.

Klopp said many right things at the start of this and the club has since acted differently to a lot of those statements but when the games start again Klopp will be dragged over the coals in the press conferences about all this, the top brass will be nowhere to be seen. I feel sorry for him in that respect, it may sour the relationship greatly.

gstack166

gstack166 wrote: »

Don’t see how Klopp is to blame in any of this. I agree with your first point though.

Klopp was raging about the Cl game that was played too

gstack166

Your Airbag wrote: »

Klopp said many right things at the start of this and the club has since acted differently to a lot of those statements but when the games start again Klopp will be dragged over the coals in the press conferences about all this, the top brass will be nowhere to be seen. I feel sorry for him in that respect, it may sour the relationship greatly.

I believe Klopp to be a good decent honest man. Certainly comes across as it, if he’s half as a Mr. Socialist that he portrays then the relationship is in big trouble or else it does make him look like a hypocrite. Be interesting to hear his thoughts when pressed.

Your Airbag

gstack166 wrote: »

I believe Klopp to be a good decent honest man. Certainly comes across as it, if he’s half as a Mr. Socialist that he portrays then the relationship is in big trouble or else it does make him look like a hypocrite. Be interesting to hear his thoughts when pressed.

Its a real dilemma when you think about it. He will certainly be asked about it, does he criticize his employers and risk their wrath or stay quite and be considered a hypocrite? Either way it almost guarantees more bad PR. They can try ban any journo who raises the topic I guess.

gstack166

Your Airbag wrote: »

Its a real dilemma when you think about it. He will certainly be asked about it, does he criticize his employers and risk their wrath or stay quite and be considered a hypocrite? Either way it almost guarantees more bad PR. They can try ban any journo who raises the topic I guess.

To their credit the do have the best PR machine in Europe. This week is the first time in a few years I can remember negative headlines about them.

Mitch Connor

Your Airbag wrote: »

Its a real dilemma when you think about it. He will certainly be asked about it, does he criticize his employers and risk their wrath or stay quite and be considered a hypocrite? Either way it almost guarantees more bad PR. They can try ban any journo who raises the topic I guess.

If I was Liverpool, I'd let Klopp criticise.

Builds the image of the football team again - he's also their best chance of continued success. Let him criticise. And then say he is right. Venture capitalists have a hard nose.

gimli2112

If Klopps asked the question he'll give his opinion. I don't believe the club will coach him on what to say. I don't think the owners care and are of the opinion this will blow over. They'll only act if it starts to hurt them financially.

brinty

gstack166 wrote:

Not a good week for Liverpool by any means. Disgraceful.

Wow, that is a PR night mare on top of the furlough of non playing staff

Not a good weekend for our friends of a Liverpool persuasion

Thanx 4 The Fish

brinty wrote: »

Wow, that is a PR night mare on top of the furlough of non playing staff

Not a good weekend for our friends of a Liverpool persuasion

Need to be keeping up with the times there lad,

Liverpool will not be furloughing non playing staff. Obviously gone back ot the best club in the world now eh?

In the meantime, the FA are furloughing staff.

Unbearable club and fans. Imagine if they start winning stuff....

gstack166

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »

Need to be keeping up with the times there lad,

Liverpool will not be furloughing non playing staff. Obviously gone back ot the best club in the world now eh?

In the meantime, the FA are furloughing staff.

Shamed into it though. Why the U turn. It can’t be right yesterday but wrong today to do it.

Mitch Connor

right decision for Liverpool to row back.

Raises bigger questions over why they did it in the first place.

But, they are doing the right thing now.

Thanx 4 The Fish

gstack166 wrote: »

Shamed into it though. Why the U turn. It can’t be right yesterday but wrong today to do it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52191140

But in a letter to the club's fans, chief executive Peter Moore said: "We believe we came to the wrong conclusion last week... and are truly sorry for that."

He said that as a result of "extensive consultation and our own internal deliberations, we have opted to find alternative means".

So they were wrong, recognised it and changed their approach.

gstack166

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52191140

But in a letter to the club's fans, chief executive Peter Moore said: "We believe we came to the wrong conclusion last week... and are truly sorry for that."

He said that as a result of "extensive consultation and our own internal deliberations, we have opted to find alternative means".

So they were wrong, recognised it and changed their approach.

No, the knew they were wrong to start with, thought it wouldn’t get as much bad press as it did, pooped the jocks when they realised it wasn’t going away and back tracked quick to save as much face as possible.

gimli2112

That's a fabolous response from the club, it takes a special kind of business to understand they made the right decision for business reasons but the wrong one morally. They really don't deserve the fans they have.

Fair play to them for reversing it at least

Very poor of them in the first place but credit where it's due for backing out of a ****ty decision

Chuck Noland

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »

Need to be keeping up with the times there lad,

Liverpool will not be furloughing non playing staff. Obviously gone back ot the best club in the world now eh?

In the meantime, the FA are furloughing staff.

No. This just shows that that they could well afford it all along but decided to try and penny pinch and only back tracked after being lambasted by ex players

Thanx 4 The Fish

gstack166 wrote: »

No, the knew they were wrong to start with, thought it wouldn’t get as much bad press as it did, pooped the jocks when they realised it wasn’t going away and back tracked quick to save as much face as possible.

So what you are saying is that irrespective of making a mistake and then reviewing and rectifying, nobody can get away from a mistake they have made in the past... Wow

Rayne Wooney

Yeah, you’d be crazy to believe that “apology” is sincere

They knew it was wrong, thought they’d pull a fast one, apologising now doesn’t count

MD1990

At least it was done quick.

FSG need to learn from this. Same happened with ticket prices in 2016.

Thanx 4 The Fish

MD1990 wrote: »

At least it was done quick.

FSG need to learn from this. Same happened with ticket prices in 2016.

Yep, reviewed, rectified and moved on.

gstack166

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »

So what you are saying is that irrespective of making a mistake and then reviewing and rectifying, nobody can get away from a mistake they have made in the past... Wow

As Chuck Nolan says in his post, they had plenty of money to pay it the fact they’ve backtracked so quick tells you all you need to know. At least it seems there were some on the board that didn’t agree with it to start with hence the speed to rectify it.

RasTa

Good to see common sense prevail.

gstack166

gstack166 wrote: »

No, the knew they were wrong to start with, thought it wouldn’t get as much bad press as it did, pooped the jocks when they realised it wasn’t going away and back tracked quick to save as much face as possible.

A city fan giving the moral speech! Cmon now

adox

So are they gonna go broke now as some intimated?

gimli2112

6 wrote: »

A city fan giving the moral speech! Cmon now

Unlike Liverpool, City fans aren't responsible for their club's reprehensible behaviour. We're the worst.

Chuck Noland

gstack166 wrote: »

As Chuck Nolan says in his post, they had plenty of money to pay it the fact they’ve backtracked so quick tells you all you need to know. At least it seems there were some on the board that didn’t agree with it to start with hence the speed to rectify it.

He’ll just ignore me as usual tho as my point doesn’t suit this (or any other of his narrative’s)

This is the closest you’ll get in public, For Liverpool, to the metaphor “caught with your pants around your ankles” no amount of back tracking or apologies will change what they attempted to do.

gstack166

6 wrote: »

A city fan giving the moral speech! Cmon now

Well if we’re going to compare clubs during the crisis then let’s do it properly.

Since the virus shut down the UK Manchester City have :

- Paid wages of 1000 staff
- Offered the Etihad to the NHS
- Donations to food banks
- Calling their elderly season ticket holders to make sure they’re ok for everything
- Pep and the players donating money to local communities

While Liverpool have:

- Wrote a letter to cas to ban City from Europe
- Placed all their staff on the Furlough scheme
- Reneged on that due to bad press

DeanAustin

adox wrote: »

So are they gonna go broke now as some intimated?

Depends what you mean by broke. If you mean run out of cash then if this goes on for a few months, yes they will without a cash injection. And it'll happen a bit more quickly now. It's simple maths.

If by "broke" you mean "go out of business", I don't think anyone said that would happen.

Mitch Connor

gstack166 wrote: »

No, the knew they were wrong to start with, thought it wouldn’t get as much bad press as it did, pooped the jocks when they realised it wasn’t going away and back tracked quick to save as much face as possible.

i still think it was a gamble to put pressure on the players to accept a pay cut.

gstack166

Mitch Connor wrote: »

i still think it was a gamble to put pressure on the players to accept a pay cut.

AFAIK and have read the players have no problem taking a pay cut but they don’t want the owners benefitting from the money, they want the wages they lose to help communities & the foreign players especially want money being donated to their country’s and the owners don’t seem keen on it.

DeanAustin

Mitch Connor wrote: »

i still think it was a gamble to put pressure on the players to accept a pay cut.

I think there was very definitely an element of that from Liverpool and particularly Spurs.

gstack166

gstack166 wrote: »

Well if we’re going to compare clubs during the crisis then let’s do it properly.

Since the virus shut down the UK Manchester City have :

- Paid wages of 1000 staff
- Offered the Etihad to the NHS
- Donations to food banks
- Calling their elderly season ticket holders to make sure they’re ok for everything
- Pep and the players donating money to local communities

While Liverpool have:

- Wrote a letter to cas to ban City from Europe
- Placed all their staff on the Furlough scheme
- Reneged on that due to bad press

You forgot

City :continued to deny financial doping. :cool:

Mitch Connor

gstack166 wrote: »

AFAIK and have read the players have no problem taking a pay cut but they don’t want the owners benefitting from the money, they want the wages they lose to help communities & the foreign players especially want money being donated to their country’s and the owners don’t seem keen on it.

ANd I think the clubs want some (at least) of the money to stay in the club against the losses be suffered through lack of games (match day rev, TV contracts etc).

Player wages are the biggest expense, that is the one they will want to reduce.

sideswipe

Haha classic, the haters giving it the old ‘the damage is done’! LOL, they did the right thing.....sorry you’ll have to stop The Fap feast which your faux indignation.

Every club is a business, they were all examining this to protect themselves and only announced they wouldn’t do after seeing the fall out against Liverpool and Spurs.

sideswipe

gstack166 wrote: »

Well if we’re going to compare clubs during the crisis then let’s do it properly.

Since the virus shut down the UK Manchester City have :

- Paid wages of 1000 staff
- Offered the Etihad to the NHS
- Donations to food banks
- Calling their elderly season ticket holders to make sure they’re ok for everything
- Pep and the players donating money to local communities

While Liverpool have:

- Wrote a letter to cas to ban City from Europe
- Placed all their staff on the Furlough scheme
- Reneged on that due to bad press

Would ya stop, Cities owners are responsible for as much damage to human rights as Covid-19!

Chuck Noland

sideswipe wrote: »

Every club is a business, they were all examining this to protect themselves and only announced they wouldn’t do after seeing the fall out against Liverpool and Spurs.

Are you privy to the goings on at EVERY club at board level? That’s some legit In The Know contacts there man! Fair play. You must know about player transfers and sales and the likes well in advance of us mere mortals also?

Mitch Connor

sideswipe wrote: »

Haha classic, the haters giving it the old ‘the damage is done’! LOL, they did the right thing.....sorry you’ll have to stop The Fap feast which your faux indignation.

Every club is a business, they were all examining this to protect themselves and only announced they wouldn’t do after seeing the fall out against Liverpool and Spurs.

United announced ages ago all matcvh day staff were going to be paid regarldess of postponements and cancelations.

Liverpool weren't a canary in the coal mine.

And yeah, to a large extent the damage has been done. We've seen Liverpool immediately go to the tax payer when not needed.

UrbanFret

Bit late liverpool backtracking now, they have shown themselves up badly. ****ing hell you'd think they hadn't a slat.

jayo26

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52191140

But in a letter to the club's fans, chief executive Peter Moore said: "We believe we came to the wrong conclusion last week... and are truly sorry for that."

He said that as a result of "extensive consultation and our own internal deliberations, we have opted to find alternative means".

So they were wrong, recognised it and changed their approach.

No one can be naive enough to think that's a true apology not a hope in hell.

It's just another example of that once fine club not living up to the values that the fans would have you believe exist.

The same fans that have been on a high horse over city cheating the books all season. There is no difference in city cheating at football and Liverpool getting called out in trying to cheat the British tax payer out of millions of pounds.

Of course the fans that think the club is on high pedastal will try gloss over it the same as they have on the past with t-shirts supporting someone that was banned for racisim and what not but the true hard fact if it is that the standards are very low and not much different then the clubs they try laugh at.

sideswipe

Chuck Noland wrote: »

Are you privy to the goings on at EVERY club at board level? That’s some legit In The Know contacts there man! Fair play. You must know about player transfers and sales and the likes well in advance of us mere mortals also?

If you think this isn’t a numbers game you are very naive. Clubs are scrambling to protect themselves and rightly so, this will have a massive affect on him they do business.

gstack166

sideswipe wrote: »

Would ya stop, Cities owners are responsible for as much damage to human rights as Covid-19!

Also have done 10x more to help Covid-19 than the billionaire owners of Liverpool. What’s your point.

Thanx 4 The Fish

Mitch Connor wrote: »

United announced ages ago all matcvh day staff were going to be paid regarldess of postponements and cancelations.

Liverpool weren't a canary in the coal mine.

And yeah, to a large extent the damage has been done. We've seen Liverpool immediately go to the tax payer when not needed.

Yes they did but they did not say how they were going to pay them, they have only today, after seeing the backlash against Liverpool I should imagine, announced that they are not going to use the furlough scheme in place. Gary Neville on current debate on Skys Sports youtube (still on and worth watching BTW) said that every club has looked at the furlough scheme, the fact that Man U only came out now and said they will not use it speaks volumes too TBH. Would have been big news except it was gazumped by Liverpool saying they would roll back on the previous assertion that they would.

ricero

Well done Lfc, common sense prevails. Great stuff. You'll never walk alone.