Football & Coronavirus [READ MOD NOTE IN FIRST POST - updated 06-05-20]

~Rebel~

gstack166 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/footballdaily/status/1256202072237780993?s=21

If he is correct then lower league clubs are going to wall regardless of whenever this season finishes/next season starts.

Yeah, the debate of this and next season is only relevant for leagues that get a large proportion of their revenue from TV and global branding. Lower leagues are in big trouble regardless.

About all they can do realistically is go into life support mode - cut all staff both playing and non-playing, maybe with a guarantee of a new contract for their players or for their current contracts to be paid in full when it passes, to try to avoid either lawsuits or bankruptcy (as long as the club has cash, players have a right to be paid, and if they go officially bankrupt they lose their league status), and just hope they can keep enough in reserve to rise up again in 18-30 months.

Grim stuff whatever way you look at it.

Mitch Connor

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Yeah, the debate of this and next season is only relevant for leagues that get a large proportion of their revenue from TV and global branding. Lower leagues are in big trouble regardless.

About all they can do realistically is go into life support mode - cut all staff both playing and non-playing, maybe with a guarantee of a new contract for their players or for their current contracts to be paid in full when it passes, to try to avoid either lawsuits or bankruptcy (as long as the club has cash, players have a right to be paid, and if they go officially bankrupt they lose their league status), and just hope they can keep enough in reserve to rise up again in 18-30 months.

Grim stuff whatever way you look at it.

if there isn't enough appitite for a big tv contract, they need to be able to offer their BCD matches live via streaming, for a direct cost.

It wouldn't cover the cash they are losing through a proper match day, as it would likely be cheaper than a ticket and you also lose on food/beverage sales etc.

But they will need some way to better monetize their games, where fans being in the stadium is not possible.

I watch a bit of stuff on twitch - where you can have a subscriber model, and people viewing can also donate in addition to their sub costs (and on twitch you can watch for free too).

Direct sale of streams, possible donations and sponsorship of the streams would have to be something looked at, and allowed.

Mitch Connor

https://twitter.com/DaleJohnsonESPN/status/1256238553941659648/photo/1

clubs reconfirming their ongoing intention to complete the current season.

davemckenna25

joe_99 wrote: »

Another number that is rarely used is that 4,908,039 people in Ireland have not tested postive for Covid 19

YET!!

RasTa

Now the British Basketball is asking for government for a bailout or it will go bust. Only asking for £1m since rugby league got £16m.

Next it will be numerous clubs asking the same.

After nearly four hours, a meeting of the 20 clubs has also ended with a resolve to complete this season, should Government restrictions allow, with another videoconference planned for next Friday, May 8.

That will be crucial to the outcome of the season given it is a day after the Government announces whether the current lockdown restrictions remain in place. If a path ahead is laid out by the Prime Minister it will help the Premier League convince the clubs, players and supporters that the campaign should continue.

Too many if's there. Season is cancelled, no chance all clubs will agree.

gstack166

Mitch Connor wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DaleJohnsonESPN/status/1256238553941659648/photo/1

clubs reconfirming their ongoing intention to complete the current season.

They are always going to confirm there intention of competing the season, that’s a non issue. There’s a difference between wanting to complete it and believing it will be completed.

They are always going to say that but by the same token doesn’t mean they will agree with the options forwarded to actually complete it.

Mitch Connor

gstack166 wrote: »

They are always going to confirm there intention of competing the season, that’s a non issue. There’s a difference between wanting to complete it and believing it will be completed.

They are always going to say that but by the same token doesn’t mean they will agree with the options forwarded to actually complete it.

indeed - but while they are still discussing it, and planning for it, all evidence does not point to the season being finished and done. So discussing how the season can resume is perfectly valid, in line with the stated intention of the clubs, the PL and the government.

Given the contractual and legal problems just ending the season will cause, the clubs and PL will do everything it can to complete the season.

The_Kew_Tour

No surprise in outcome, just hopefully it can actually happen know.

That's the tough bit

gstack166

Mitch Connor wrote: »

indeed - but while they are still discussing it, and planning for it, all evidence does not point to the season being finished and done. So discussing how the season can resume is perfectly valid, in line with the stated intention of the clubs, the PL and the government.

Given the contractual and legal problems just ending the season will cause, the clubs and PL will do everything it can to complete the season.

They’ve been discussing it for weeks now and still haven’t a plan or a date to aim for. They’ve agreed they want to finish it (no surprise there) but can’t agree about how or when they’ll do it. Considering all the talk seems to be June to early August and we’re now into May and still no ground has been broken how you can assume they’re planning for it I don’t know. Or else there keeping it very hush hush.

There’s a government address now on in the UK where it’s expected Boris will speak about football, maybe then we’ll know more.

At the present moment though we are in the exact same place as we have been the last 3 weeks, at least before that they had a date they were aiming for, now it’s ‘hopefully by June (insert whatever date you’ve been reading)

RasTa

gstack166 wrote: »

They’ve been discussing it for weeks now and still haven’t a plan or a date to aim for. They’ve agreed they want to finish it (no surprise there) but can’t agree about how or when they’ll do it. Considering all the talk seems to be June to early August and we’re now into May and still no ground has been broken how you can assume they’re planning for it I don’t know. Or else there keeping it very hush hush.

There’s a government address now on in the UK where it’s expected Boris will speak about football, maybe then we’ll know more.

At the present moment though we are in the exact same place as we have been the last 3 weeks, at least before that they had a date they were aiming for, now it’s ‘hopefully by June (insert whatever date you’ve been reading)

Don't bother. It's cancelled.

BREAKING: UK #coronavirus death toll rises by 739 in past 24hrs to 27,510.

Fitz*

No home games for any club in the remaining games. Everyone is in the same boat.

https://twitter.com/SamWallaceTel/status/1256253736982364160?s=19

gstack166

RasTa wrote: »

Don't bother. It's cancelled.

I don’t see the logic is how the Premier League expect to get up and running in the next few weeks with the death count every day in that country and with people there not allowed to see their family.

The thought process behind it no matter what good intentions it’s done with for clubs, staff, contract obligations etc is just baffling. It’s complete fairy land stuff.

irelandrover

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Your lower league team is going bust, whether they "finish" this season now or not.

My team might survive if they call the season now. They can let players go and put a plan in place for next season knowing that they play behind closed doors. Salaries of the players they sign can be lower based on lower incomes.

Chuck Noland

The UK has had more Coronavirus deaths than the following countries COMBINED

Belgium
Germany
Netherlands
Switzerland
Ireland
Portugal
Romania
Poland
Austria
Denmark
Ukraine
Finland
Norway
Greece

The UK has 67m people. The others around 270m people.

gstack166

irelandrover wrote: »

My team might survive if they call the season now. They can let players go and put a plan in place for next season knowing that they play behind closed doors. Salaries of the players they sign can be lower based on lower incomes.

I agree with you entirely.

joe_99

davemckenna25 wrote: »

YET!!

Wow. It's just a number. It's amazing how it always raises emotions.

The_Kew_Tour

Chuck Noland wrote: »

The UK has had more Coronavirus deaths than the following countries COMBINED

Belgium
Germany
Netherlands
Switzerland
Ireland
Portugal
Romania
Poland
Austria
Denmark
Ukraine
Finland
Norway
Greece

The UK has 67m people. The others around 270m people.

The disappointing thing about this is that's not including Nursing homes, plus apparently according to very reliable sources, the death toll was at 46,000 few days ago when official figures had it at around 22,000.

Most likely the real death toll is over 50k now

I thought they started including nursing home deaths since yesterday?

~Rebel~

FitzShane wrote: »

No home games for any club in the remaining games. Everyone is in the same boat.

https://twitter.com/SamWallaceTel/status/1256253736982364160?s=19

Christ, I hope 8-10 has a big enough house and garden to host all those games! Fair play to him though, single handedly keeping English football going.

jayo26

6 wrote: »

I thought they started including nursing home deaths since yesterday?

Only if they were lab tested and its not going back to the start. They reckon more people habe died on nursing homes without been tested then have been tested and died.

Remember at the start uk weren't testing only in hospitals but many died in nursing home while been treated there.

davemckenna25

Mitch Connor wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DaleJohnsonESPN/status/1256238553941659648/photo/1

clubs reconfirming their ongoing intention to complete the current season.

Do you honestly expect them to say anything else in the public forum? I don't.

HalloweenJack

Saw this on the BBC livestream regarding the PL's meeting today:

There was no discussion about ending the season prematurely as has happened in France, Belgium and the Netherlands.

It's a bit disconcerting that they are not even considering the possibility.

RasTa

48k is the figure from today from Mr Giles. I thought it was a joke with this neutral venue stuff

If there's no fans for the whole of next season it'll throw up some interesting results!

eigrod

Setback in Germany

https://twitter.com/robharris/status/1256286152824369153?s=21

Cantona's Collars

That's bad news.

Not a great start to getting football started back in Germany.

joe_99

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

That's bad news.

Not a great start to getting football started back in Germany.

This will continue for years to come. Next season and the season after players will be tested constantly.

It will just as dangerous to play in June 2020 as it will June 2021. Players and fans need to realise this. Next season will be absolutely littered with positive tests every single week.

Save me reading through 193 pages please.

Is the upshot still that no one has a clue and it could go either way, as it was on page 1?

Cantona's Collars

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Save me reading through 193 pages please.

Is the upshot still that no one has a clue and it could go either way, as it was on page 1?

Exactly, it's still about the money really with the EPL,they won't admit it but it's the crux of the issue.

Italian football is expected to restart in June.

davemckenna25

joe_99 wrote: »

This will continue for years to come. Next season and the season after players will be tested constantly.

It will just as dangerous to play in June 2020 as it will June 2021. Players and fans need to realise this. Next season will be absolutely littered with positive tests every single week.

I am 99.9999999% certain it will be safer in June 2021 than June 2020, we will know more about the virus and know more about how to contain/minimise the risks.

Soccer and GAA back in Ireland from July 20th. Rugby and Boxing in August.

Be interesting to see UKs road map

FitzShane

FitzShane wrote: »

No home games for any club in the remaining games. Everyone is in the same boat.

https://twitter.com/SamWallaceTel/status/1256253736982364160?s=19

What grounds will be chosen I wonder if this neutral format goes ahead? London and its suburbs can contribute at least 6 (5 PL + Wembley) stadia if one wants to keep travelling to a minimum. Wembley, Arsenal, Spurs, West Ham, Watford and Crystal Palace may be used. If non PL stadia are included, throw in Fulham and Millwall as well.

Fitz*

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What grounds will be chosen I wonder if this neutral format goes ahead? London and its suburbs can contribute at least 6 (5 PL + Wembley) stadia if one wants to keep travelling to a minimum. Wembley, Arsenal, Spurs, West Ham, Watford and Crystal Palace may be used. If non PL stadia are included, throw in Fulham and Millwall as well.

I think the basis around selection is on geography & facilities available. 2 North, 2 Midlands & 2 south. The stadiums I have seen mentioned so far are the Emirates Stadium, Ethiad & Wembley.

I was thinking that they might have given a 'new' hoke stadium for example Liverpool & Aston Villa would use either others home stadiums as they are the same size pitch and surface but in hindsight this is probably not feasible, and probably defeats the purpose originally set out by using neutral venues.

Fitz*

eigrod wrote: »

Setback in Germany

https://twitter.com/robharris/status/1256286152824369153?s=21

That is a worry indeed and hopefully the people involved can make a recovery.

It does show why effective testing techniques are needed for all sport to continue at any point in the future. Find any symptomatic people in your squad or club and isolate them from the rest of your squad first before the virus can spread, and also any opponents in any potential games. Luckily this club caught it early and did not put other clubs at risk, and obviously also the general population in which those club members would have interacted with.

joe_99

davemckenna25 wrote: »

I am 99.9999999% certain it will be safer in June 2021 than June 2020, we will know more about the virus and know more about how to contain/minimise the risks.

In June 2020 players will be isolated in hotels only interactiing with others that are tested every few days. In June 2021 they will be living in the community.

joe_99

Miguel Delaney in Independent

The Independent understands that it was made clear to the clubs that the conditions that are making football difficult now are likely to remain difficult for a considerable period of time, with the reasons for not continuing the 2019/20 season hardly likely to change anytime soon.

If a June restart proposal was rejected, for example, then it would make little sense to resume the season in August, in the continued absence of a vaccine being both discovered and mass produced.

Such a delay would then inevitably increase the likelihood of grave financial difficulties and job losses.

August is not some magic date where everything is alright again. Premier League clubs recognise this.

davemckenna25

joe_99 wrote: »

In June 2020 players will be isolated in hotels only interactiing with others that are tested every few days. In June 2021 they will be living in the community.

Living in hotels you say, only interacting with others that are tested every few days.... Are they leaving their families or are their families also being tested every few days?

Can you please supply proof of what you say. I must have missed that one.

citytillidie

All those saying Juve will not accept the title all quiet now after Italians announced yesterday that they are going to finish their league

gstack166

citytillidie wrote: »

All those saying Juve will not accept the title all quiet now after Italians announced yesterday that they are going to finish their league

What would you want them to say? Doesn’t make sense what you posted. All those saying Juve will not accept the trophy were quoting the club, and it was noted they said they wouldn’t take it IF the league wasn’t played to a conclusion, it was them that released it wasn’t it?

Collie D

citytillidie wrote: »

All those saying Juve will not accept the title all quiet now after Italians announced yesterday that they are going to finish their league

All those saying that were basing it on reported statements at the time.

It wouldn’t make much sense to repeat it now if the season is resuming.

Odd post.

irelandrover

citytillidie wrote: »

All those saying Juve will not accept the title all quiet now after Italians announced yesterday that they are going to finish their league

How does the Italian league resuming change the fact that juventus wouldn't accept the title if they were awarded it?

Plus the Italian sports minister said he doubts the league can resume.

citytillidie

Just found it funny how they were fast to report that but quiet on the latest development

gstack166

citytillidie wrote: »

Just found it funny how they were fast to report that but quiet on the latest development

What latest development?

Spain, Italy, England, and Germany have consistently stated they will do everything they can to resume football this season, that’s not the latest development at all.

Talking rubbish.

Fitz*

I don't think it was actually ever confirmed that Juventus said that. There was a lot of hearsay such as other people saying "I believe that Juventus will do this" or ex players saying that they "think the club would not accept it", or fans saying that they wouldn't accept it. I don't think the club actually put their name to a statement, as was asked yesterday.

RasTa

Yeah, I didn't see anything about Italian football resuming with dates etc?

gstack166

FitzShane wrote: »

I don't think it was actually ever confirmed that Juventus said that. There was a lot of hearsay such as other people saying "I believe that Juventus will do this" or ex players saying that they "think the club would not accept it", or fans saying that they wouldn't accept it. I don't think the club actually put their name to a statement, as was asked yesterday.

A quick giggle will get you links from various major publishers stating the Chief Executive did say Juventus wouldn’t accept it if the league wasn’t finished.

ESPN
AS
Telegraph
We’re just a couple

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/serie-chief-says-juventus-arent-21809321.amp

Collie D

citytillidie wrote: »

Just found it funny how they were fast to report that but quiet on the latest development

Is every poster who reports something expected to come back when the situation changes a month down the line?

Fitz*

gstack166 wrote: »

A quick giggle will get you links from various major publishers stating the Chief Executive did say Juventus wouldn’t accept it if the league wasn’t finished.

ESPN
AS
Telegraph
We’re just a couple

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/serie-chief-says-juventus-arent-21809321.amp

Hearsay. It's not Juventus saying the statements, which was said above that it was fact that Juventus had said it. It wasn't.

You were complaining yesterday that no club or owner had used the June 8th return date for the PL, speculating it all as gossip as there was no quotes directly from people involved. No Juventus person has put their name to this quote so you can write this one as gossip too surely.

joe_99

davemckenna25 wrote: »

Living in hotels you say, only interacting with others that are tested every few days.... Are they leaving their families or are their families also being tested every few days?

Can you please supply proof of what you say. I must have missed that one.

Mentioned here a few days ago

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8269563/Could-Premier-League-restart-St-Georges-Park-neutral-venue-amid-coronavirus-crisis.html

citytillidie

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2020/0420/1132755-serie-a-commits-to-finishing-season-after-lockdown/