Football & Coronavirus [READ MOD NOTE IN FIRST POST - updated 06-05-20]

Fitz*

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Where will they congregate?

Haven't you heard? They are all going to congregate outside Anfield!

https://twitter.com/64_bit20/status/1267051115310432257?s=19

Mitch Connor

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Well, according to their road map there are free and clear, cause they are saying vulnerable are free to leave their houses tomorrow, which was a level 1 easing, which was to come when the virus was effectively gone.

Happy days!

Then, how are people supposed to take anything they say seriously

So, will watching a game in someone's house be allowed in a month or two time?

Shanotheslayer

6 wrote: »

Will going to someones house be allowed in June/July/August in England? Small social gatherings? Not familiar with their roadmap

Perhaps you need to re-read my posts. You seem to be misunderstanding.

Shanotheslayer

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Perhaps you need to re-read my posts. You seem to be misunderstanding.

My bad, was meant to be a reply to Dave who I was was debating with earlier

davemckenna25 wrote: »

Maybe outside but most probably in houses/back gardens to watch the games.

Guy:Incognito

6 wrote: »

So, will watching a game in someone's house be allowed in a month or two time?

If youre driving there to test your eyesight on your wifes birthday, youre all good to go, its the law.:pac:

Cantona's Collars

Premier League clubs will be asked about using crowd noise from FIFA 20 during games in a meeting on Thursday.

OwaynOTT

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

Premier League clubs will be asked about using crowd noise from FIFA 20 during games in a meeting on Thursday.

FIFA 20 crowd noises at games, satire is well and truly dead


Well, football is an amazing game, and this has been an amazing game of football.


“Two goal leads are twice as good as one goal leads”

AND IT’S IN!!! OHH CAN YOU HEAR THE CROWD?! I CAN BARELY HEAR MYSELF UP HERE!

Iused2likebusts

How people react in their behaviour on the return of football will just mirror what the general feeling is in society. Crowds gathering outside stadiums happened before the whole thing kicked off because people weren't aware of what they were doing then. People wouldnt have been thinking about gathering outside stadiums a month ago if games happened to be going ahead, in a months time they may well gather outside stadiums or meet up in friends houses as we learn more about the virus . If you aren't eldery or dont have an underlying condition and dont live with either of the above you will start to do more things as you now realise the risk is extremely minimal. Eldery and people with underlying conditions will continue to excercise extreme caution as will the people that live with people in this category. So if people are outside grounds its not going to be a load of pensioners jumping around hugging random strangers or a bunch of dads arent going to get together in a house to watch football if they have kids at home with underlying conditions.

Skylinehead

OwaynOTT wrote: »

“Two goal leads are twice as good as one goal leads”

But 2-0 is the most dangerous lead

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Skylinehead wrote: »

But 2-0 is the most dangerous lead

Any Liverpool fan pre-Klopp will tell you 3-0 is just as bad. Especailly if it's still ealry on in the game.

Tom Mann Centuria

Bit of lower league lockdown thinking outside the box.

Cheltenham Town crowd funding for people to have their own personal photo cutouts in the ground for the play offs. 25 quid to get immortalised in the biggest game in lockdown football (may not be true)! Think I might treat myself to the away end. Money is going to charity too.

https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/fill-the-paddock

niallo27

The french not happy now that their own league was cancelled, why did they just not wait like the other leagues.

kksaints

niallo27 wrote: »

The french not happy now that their own league was cancelled, why did they just not wait like the other leagues.

Because the French Government in April cancelled sport except for horse racing until September.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11800/11979994/coronavirus-ligue-1-season-over-no-sport-in-france-before-september

niallo27

kksaints wrote: »

Because the French Government in April cancelled sport except for horse racing until September.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11800/11979994/coronavirus-ligue-1-season-over-no-sport-in-france-before-september

Team sports are allowed back this month, front page of l'qeuipe leads with "Like idiots". They were pressured into it and it was a mistake.

kksaints

niallo27 wrote: »

Team sports are allowed back this month, front page of l'qeuipe leads with "Like idiots". They were pressured into it and it was a mistake.

At the time though, it wasn't a mistake and it did look like there was going to be no sport until September.

They jumped the gun. No need to rush into a decision as other countries have shown.

8-10

I've posted it a few times before:

France, Netherlands, Belgium and Scotland all have new TV deals already in place starting from 2020/21 season.

All 4 of these have been ended. It's clearly prioritising the start of the next season on time under the new deal as being more financially beneficial than finishing the existing one.

These aren't moral decisions, they're financial

Cantona's Collars

Nobody can point fingers and say "we should have waited, should have done this or that". While the crisis was at it's worst the best idea seemed to be to stop everything as nobody knew when things would get back to something resembling normality. Thousands were dying and sports were the last thing on a long list of priorities.
Now that we see one of the big European leagues back and how they are doing things,the template is there for others to copy. If the Premier League balls it up,they should be ashamed as Germany are doing it with no problems and there's no reason why England can't.

noodler

Always seemed a bizarre decision by the French league in particular tbh.

The TV deal rationale above is interesting but I don't really see how it was seen to make next season more viable.

Nothing the Bundesliga or EaPL are doing jeopardise next season.

wadacrack

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

Nobody can point fingers and say "we should have waited, should have done this or that". While the crisis was at it's worst the best idea seemed to be to stop everything as nobody knew when things would get back to something resembling normality. Thousands were dying and sports were the last thing on a long list of priorities.
Now that we see one of the big European leagues back and how they are doing things,the template is there for others to copy. If the Premier League balls it up,they should be ashamed as Germany are doing it with no problems and there's no reason why England can't.

Why cant they? Other countries did. Seems a reasonable thing to do in an unprecedented situation.

Cantona's Collars

wadacrack wrote: »

Why cant they? Other countries did. Seems a reasonable thing to do in an unprecedented situation.

You missed my point, unprecedented things were happening and my pointing fingers sentence wasn't a dig,it was merely saying so many places were in a heap trying to combat the death rate so basically there was no answer of "here's the right thing to do". People and governments were looking at each other on how they were dealing with things and still are. Look at the backlash now over the slowness of lifting the lockdown,the government think it's the right thing to do but other countries are doing it differently.
Hindsight will be great when we are at some stage back to normal.

DM_7

noodler wrote: »

Always seemed a bizarre decision by the French league in particular tbh.

The TV deal rationale above is interesting but I don't really see how it was seen to make next season more viable.

Nothing the Bundesliga or EaPL are doing jeopardise next season.

French league were told by Government they could not have games over the summer.

Iused2likebusts

The PL made the right decision in sitting tight and waiting till things settled down and attitudes shifted. Why would you make decisions when something is at its worst. All the evidence was pointing to the virus peaking in April. People were expressing opinions based on what the situation was at the time and unable to see that things will have changed 2 months later when football would return.

eigrod

Once UEFA deferred the Euros, it was clear that the best strategy, the only strategy, was pause and see what happens, there was no need for rash decisions as they had bought plenty of time.

eigrod

eigrod wrote: »

Once UEFA deferred the Euros, it was clear that the best strategy, the only strategy, was pause and see what happens, there was no need for rash decisions as they had bought plenty of time.

Exactly.

8-10

noodler wrote: »

Always seemed a bizarre decision by the French league in particular tbh.

The TV deal rationale above is interesting but I don't really see how it was seen to make next season more viable.

Nothing the Bundesliga or EaPL are doing jeopardise next season.

French government outlawed live sport until August IIRC so they made the decision that if it's going to resume then it shouldnt have a backlog of this season's games to play before starting the new one.

Mitch Connor

This really isn't difficult.

French government said no football til September. So the season got cancelled.

English govern did not say no football til September so the pl could wait until either football was allowed to return or they reached a point in time that finishing the season wasn't practical.

If the English government had banned football til September the pl, and the other leagues, would very likely have ended.

Anyone saying the French league should have waited is just ignoring the fact the government made an actual decision that massively impacted them.

If when the government said no football til September, what do you think the reaction would have been if football said 'nah, we're going to aim for June.' 'sure, people are dying and the government has said no, but we think June'.

If people want to point fingers, it's at the government.

8-10

Mitch Connor wrote: »

This really isn't difficult.

French government said no football til September. So the season got cancelled.

English govern did not say no football til September so the pl could wait until either football was allowed to return or they reached a point in time that finishing the season wasn't practical.

If the English government had banned football til September the pl, and the other leagues, would very likely have ended.

Anyone saying the French league should have waited is just ignoring the fact the government made an actual decision that massively impacted them.

If when the government said no football til September, what do you think the reaction would have been if football said 'nah, we're going to aim for June.' 'sure, people are dying and the government has said no, but we think June'.

If people want to point fingers, it's at the government.

They could have still decided to resume the league in September though. They didn't have to cancel the season. They prioritised next season over this one

Thanx 4 The Fish

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

Bit of lower league lockdown thinking outside the box.

Cheltenham Town crowd funding for people to have their own personal photo cutouts in the ground for the play offs. 25 quid to get immortalised in the biggest game in lockdown football (may not be true)! Think I might treat myself to the away end. Money is going to charity too.

https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/fill-the-paddock

They have done the same in a few places now, my favourite was an NRL game where Dominic Cummings appeared to breach lockdown to be in attandance

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/dominic-cummings-cardboard-cut-out-22107732

Mitch Connor

8-10 wrote: »

They could have still decided to resume the league in September though. They didn't have to cancel the season. They prioritised next season over this one

No, they couldn't.

For Uefa they would need to have European qualifiers decided before September.

noodler

Mitch Connor wrote: »

This really isn't difficult.

French government said no football til September. So the season got cancelled.

English govern did not say no football til September so the pl could wait until either football was allowed to return or they reached a point in time that finishing the season wasn't practical.

If the English government had banned football til September the pl, and the other leagues, would very likely have ended.

Anyone saying the French league should have waited is just ignoring the fact the government made an actual decision that massively impacted them.

If when the government said no football til September, what do you think the reaction would have been if football said 'nah, we're going to aim for June.' 'sure, people are dying and the government has said no, but we think June'.

If people want to point fingers, it's at the government.

Sure, government, whatever, whoever made the decision.

Tom Mann Centuria

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »

They have done the same in a few places now, my favourite was an NRL game where Dominic Cummings appeared to breach lockdown to be in attandance

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/dominic-cummings-cardboard-cut-out-22107732

Hehe they had Harold Shipman and Adolf Hitler too, you would have thought they might have noticed that one, and decided not to print it.

https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/serial-killer-harold-shipman/df109022-13e7-4e56-a3be-c2f9ab4aec8f

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

noodler wrote: »

Sure, government, whatever, whoever made the decision.

Couldn't have been the governemnt. If the government had made the decision, FIFA would be kicking France out of all international competition.

Governments just make those ennoying law-thingys.

Seriously though. French FA had no real choice. Their hand was forced.

davemckenna25

Mitch Connor wrote: »

This really isn't difficult.

French government said no football til September. So the season got cancelled.

English govern did not say no football til September so the pl could wait until either football was allowed to return or they reached a point in time that finishing the season wasn't practical.

If the English government had banned football til September the pl, and the other leagues, would very likely have ended.

Anyone saying the French league should have waited is just ignoring the fact the government made an actual decision that massively impacted them.

If when the government said no football til September, what do you think the reaction would have been if football said 'nah, we're going to aim for June.' 'sure, people are dying and the government has said no, but we think June'.

If people want to point fingers, it's at the government.

You are wasting your time trying to point out the logical reason to some here. They want to give out... blame the French FA.. etc. and they will just carry on shouting the same crap regardless of anything you say.

Tom Mann Centuria

Strange anomaly in the UK announced figures today, 111 deaths the daily total but 400 plus more death's on the running total.

Yesterday: 38,489 total deaths
Today: 39,045 total deaths

noodler

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

Strange anomaly in the UK announced figures today, 111 deaths the daily total but 400 plus more death's on the running total.

Yesterday: 38,489 total deaths
Today: 39,045 total deaths

We'd the same here.

Usually reclassification of someone where COD was diagnosed as something else. Or death in a nursing home or something out of a hospital that's only getting reported now.

noodler

davemckenna25 wrote: »

You are wasting your time trying to point out the logical reason to some here. They want to give out... blame the French FA.. etc. and they will just carry on shouting the same crap regardless of anything you say.

So weird.


Where is this perceived attack on the French FA apparent?

The decision, the decision, the decision. Whoever made it, it was premature.

niallo27

davemckenna25 wrote: »

You are wasting your time trying to point out the logical reason to some here. They want to give out... blame the French FA.. etc. and they will just carry on shouting the same crap regardless of anything you say.

It was on the front page of their main newspaper over there and government officials are asking why too. It doesnt seem too logical to them.

8-10

Mitch Connor wrote: »

No, they couldn't.

For Uefa they would need to have European qualifiers decided before September.

UEFA haven't even announced how this season's competitions will end.

davemckenna25

noodler wrote: »

So weird.


Where is this perceived attack on the French FA apparent?

The decision, the decision, the decision. Whoever made it, it was premature.

No one mentioned an attack on the French FA. I think you should stick to what is said and not paraphrasing ... and on the facts of who was blaming the French FA/League for ending early...

Here is one quote from earlier on today....

Always seemed a bizarre decision by the French league in particular tbh.

The TV deal rationale above is interesting but I don't really see how it was seen to make next season more viable.

Nothing the Bundesliga or EaPL are doing jeopardise next season.

That quote was posted by yourself...

noodler

davemckenna25 wrote: »

No one mentioned an attack on the French FA. I think you should stick to what is said and not paraphrasing ... and on the facts of who was blaming the French FA/League for ending early...

Here is one quote from earlier on today....

Always seemed a bizarre decision by the French league in particular tbh.

The TV deal rationale above is interesting but I don't really see how it was seen to make next season more viable.

Nothing the Bundesliga or EaPL are doing jeopardise next season.

That quote was posted by yourself...

Keep reading.....

davemckenna25

noodler wrote: »

Keep reading.....

Reading what? That was your full post I quoted.

Night and sleep well.

Mitch Connor

niallo27 wrote: »

It was on the front page of their main newspaper over there and government officials are asking why too. It doesnt seem too logical to them.

Take a look at the papers in the UK, in the US, anywhere. Being on the front page or being called out post hoc by politicians means very little. Doesn't mean they are looking at actual facts or arguments.

noodler

davemckenna25 wrote: »

Reading what? That was your full post I quoted.

Night and sleep well.

The one where it's pointed out that it wasn't the French FA. Then the one right after where I say the decision is important.

Honestly, go elsewhere if you are just looking for a row.

davemckenna25

noodler wrote: »

The one where it's pointed out that it wasn't the French FA. Then the one right after where I say the decision is important.

Honestly, go elsewhere if you are just looking for a row.

I don't go out looking for a row and don't get involved in them. No need to be getting aggressive towards me.

And btw, it was pointed out before your comment that the Government and not the French FA made the decision to cancel all sport until September, so don't be changing facts to suit your cause.

Is this the one where you say the decision is important...
Sure, government, whatever, whoever made the decision.
in reply to Mitch's comment. Doesn't really read as if you thought the decision was important..

You sound like you are getting annoyed so I'll leave it at that.

noodler

davemckenna25 wrote: »

I don't go out looking for a row and don't get involved in them. No need to be getting aggressive towards me.

And btw, it was pointed out before your comment that the Government and not the French FA made the decision to cancel all sport until September, so don't be changing facts to suit your cause.

Is this the one where you say the decision is important...
Sure, government, whatever, whoever made the decision.
in reply to Mitch's comment. Doesn't really read as if you thought the decision was important..

You sound like you are getting annoyed so I'll leave it at that.

It's the French they're after, Ted.

In hindsight the French made a decision, when they could have waited like the other major leagues did.

Iused2likebusts

Some huge crowds gathering for the black lives matter protests. Younger people seem to have made their mind up on the risks to them of getting the virus. Increases the chances of crowds of younger people gathering to celebrate football victories.

Iused2likebusts

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Some huge crowds gathering for the black lives matter protests. Younger people seem to have made their mind up on the risks to them of getting the virus. Increases the chances of crowds of younger people gathering to celebrate football victories.

How that march was allowed in Dublin at the weekend was beyond me tbh

y0ssar1an22

6 wrote: »

How that march was allowed in Dublin at the weekend was beyond me tbh

was it allowed? didnt those 2 people have their court case thrown out; that wanted to protect the right to protest during the lockdown?

Maybe i'm misremembering.