Football & Coronavirus [READ MOD NOTE IN FIRST POST - updated 06-05-20]

Guy:Incognito

Kylo Ren wrote: »

Or that most of us can actually do our jobs from home

Is "most" of the workforce made up of people in offices that only need a computer and a phone that would work from anywhere? I wouldnt have thought so.

Kylo Ren

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Is "most" of the workforce made up of people in offices that only need a computer and a phone that would work from anywhere? I wouldnt have thought so.

No it's not. I think you'd be surprised at the amount of jobs and diverse nature that can actually be completed from home if we want to go that way.

Guy:Incognito

Kylo Ren wrote: »

No it's not. I think you'd be surprised at the amount of jobs and diverse nature that can actually be completed from home if we want to go that way.

A lot of people can work from home, yes, but off the top of my head the entire retail and construction industries cannot, along with a lot of associated industries like haulage, travel (from local like taxis , buses , trains etc to distance stuff )etc .

Football is an industry with a huge amount of people depending on it to live, far beyond the small number of rich people at the top of it.

Lord TSC

Matt Law's summary of what UEFA want right now.

PL Clubs should be told today that UEFA wants the european domestic seasons finished by the end of June.

UEFA also want CL/EL to be completed, and believes all leagues across Europe should restart at the same time.

This may spark fears that the season could be declared void if the coronavirus makes it impossible for clubs to complete their fixture list by June 30.

Gov't projections have the coronavirus peaking in England in 10-14 weeks (in June).

PL has a conference call set for Thursday to discuss.

League will likely need more than a month to play the 9-10 remaining games, which means it would need to restart prior to the end of May to finish by June 30.

There is currently no prospect of the PL restarting by April 4.

One proposal on the table is to truncate the CL with both semis and the final played over a 4-day period in Istanbal. If agreed, the same would apply to the EL, where the final is set to be held in Gdansk.

is_that_so

Lord TSC wrote: »

Matt Law's summary of what UEFA want right now.

PL Clubs should be told today that UEFA wants the european domestic seasons finished by the end of June.

UEFA also want CL/EL to be completed, and believes all leagues across Europe should restart at the same time.

This may spark fears that the season could be declared void if the coronavirus makes it impossible for clubs to complete their fixture list by June 30.

Gov't projections have the coronavirus peaking in England in 10-14 weeks (in June).

PL has a conference call set for Thursday to discuss.

League will likely need more than a month to play the 9-10 remaining games, which means it would need to restart prior to the end of May to finish by June 30.

There is currently no prospect of the PL restarting by April 4.

One proposal on the table is to truncate the CL with both semis and the final played over a 4-day period in Istanbal. If agreed, the same would apply to the EL, where the final is set to be held in Gdansk.

I think the EPL/EFL will look at 2 matches a week if required to wrap it up.

Guy:Incognito

Lord TSC wrote: »

UEFA also want CL/EL to be completed, and believes all leagues across Europe should restart at the same time.

The 2nd part of this is ridiculous. Every country is not at the same phase of this.

noodler

Lord TSC wrote: »

Matt Law's summary of what UEFA want right now.

PL Clubs should be told today that UEFA wants the european domestic seasons finished by the end of June.

UEFA also want CL/EL to be completed, and believes all leagues across Europe should restart at the same time.

This may spark fears that the season could be declared void if the coronavirus makes it impossible for clubs to complete their fixture list by June 30.

Gov't projections have the coronavirus peaking in England in 10-14 weeks (in June).

PL has a conference call set for Thursday to discuss.

League will likely need more than a month to play the 9-10 remaining games, which means it would need to restart prior to the end of May to finish by June 30.

There is currently no prospect of the PL restarting by April 4.

One proposal on the table is to truncate the CL with both semis and the final played over a 4-day period in Istanbal. If agreed, the same would apply to the EL, where the final is set to be held in Gdansk.

Personally, and I'll be attacked by someone for this, but even if it peaks in June...the majority of footballers will be tested constantly over the next few weeks.

Closed doors might well be possible well before this is sorted.

Harry Palmr

Harry Palmr wrote: »

It's not all bad news - Man Utd's paper value is down a billion on the stock market

Stay classy the whole way through this, man.

wonski

is_that_so wrote: »

I think the EPL/EFL will look at 2 matches a week if required to wrap it up.

The main issue is that it still needs to be done by end of June.

I do hope this will be possible, jot just from fan perspective, but just from general public perspective of things going back to normal.

Would I bet on it?

No way.

Cookiemunster

Kylo Ren wrote: »

No it's not. I think you'd be surprised at the amount of jobs and diverse nature that can actually be completed from home if we want to go that way.

I work in a manufacturing facility. Only 80 out of 280 can work from home. The majority of multinational jobs in the country are in manufacturing where you have to be onsite. Then there's retail, construction, transport, the guards, medical staff etc. Most cannot work from home and there are already 100,000 out of work in the last week because of that.

irelandrover

noodler wrote: »

Personally, and I'll be attacked by someone for this, but even if it peaks in June...the majority of footballers will be tested constantly over the next few weeks.

Closed doors might well be possible well before this is sorted.

That ignores the fact that footballers have families. They'd have to isolate from their families for this to work. Since you can pass on the disease before you have symptoms i wouldn't be too happy as a footballer if i was forced to either risk my family or not see them,

Shanotheslayer

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

mind yourself.

I woke up with a bit of the same, but I'm putting that down to staying inside for the most part and the smoking has probably doubled from boredom. the eating has doubled as well

Genuinely think it's the smoking as it seems to have increased just staying in. Considering I was practically off them.

Tbh until I get a fever I won't believe I have it as I regularly get sore throats only this time extra cautious.

My missus works in Beaumont so she'd be out of work if I got it and I think they're struggling enough as is!

citytillidie

Harry Palmr wrote: »

It's not all bad news - Man Utd's paper value is down a billion on the stock market

Deleted User wrote: »

Stay classy the whole way through this, man.

So fans can be on the wind up about voiding the season and be on the bantz about Liverpool not winning the league but when someone makes a factual statement its is now not classy

MD1990

Man City owners I hope are going to lose billions.

I think there may be no football for the rest of the year at least without fans.

Zaph

MD1990 wrote: »

Man City owners I hope are going to lose billions.

I think there may be no football for the rest of the year at least without fans.

Sure the Etihad is usually half empty anyway, so it won't make much difference to them.

noodler

irelandrover wrote: »

That ignores the fact that footballers have families. They'd have to isolate from their families for this to work. Since you can pass on the disease before you have symptoms i wouldn't be too happy as a footballer if i was forced to either risk my family or not see them,

I'm really not.sure of playing against 11 other individuals who have the best medical treatment is that risky.

Certainly I'd argue someone working in a dept store today or the till of a supermarket is at greater risk.

I'm not saying it's zero or anything but it should be manageable that only the other players on the pitch have to be considered.

Shanotheslayer

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Genuinely think it's the smoking as it seems to have increased just staying in. Considering I was practically off them.

Tbh until I get a fever I won't believe I have it as I regularly get sore throats only this time extra cautious.

My missus works in Beaumont so she'd be out of work if I got it and I think they're struggling enough as is!

Smoking won't help if you get it bad. Good time to kick the habit

Shanotheslayer

noodler wrote: »

I'm really not.sure of playing against 11 other individuals who have the best medical treatment is that risky.

Certainly I'd argue someone working in a dept store today or the till of a supermarket is at greater risk.

I'm not saying it's zero or anything but it should be manageable that only the other players on the pitch have to be considered.

I agree in the sense that those people are at more risk. However their job is a necessity during this time. Lads playing football isn't atm

Martin Tyler AgueroooOO

Harry Palmr wrote: »

It's not all bad news - Man Utd's paper value is down a billion on the stock market

Don't worry Harry the stock market crashes will be voided and it will go back to what it was like before this crisis started. Trump will make sure of that.

Agent Coulson

The money bubble in football is burst now I'd expect.

Guy:Incognito

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Lads playing football isn't atm

We keep going round in circles with this but ultimately people need to earn a living (otherwise everyone that isnt absolutely 100% required in the keeping of the basics going so the country can function should be at home 24\7). The small amount of lads playing football at the top level are not the issue, most of them could probably retire now and be grand. It's the thousands (hundreds of thousands maybe) of ordinary jobs in the football industry and the associated businesses that will be hit hard.

Tom Mann Centuria

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

We keep going round in circles with this but ultimately people need to earn a living (otherwise everyone that isnt absolutely 100% required in the keeping of the basics going so the country can function should be at home 24\7). The small amount of lads playing football at the top level are not the issue, most of them could probably retire now and be grand. It's the thousands (hundreds of thousands maybe) of ordinary jobs in the football industry and the associated businesses that will be hit hard.

Barnet have already laid off all their non playing staff.

Cantona's Collars

https://twitter.com/TeleFootball/status/1240040220428509191

Guy:Incognito

What's with the big rush on the play offs? The postponement of the euros was only announced earlier and there was talk of the ireland play off game being pencilled in for June.

A game originally being played this month for a tournament that's on in 2 and a half months time now suddenly needs to be played a year before the tournament.

noodler

sugarman wrote: »

Theres no other free International breaks to schedule it.

Nations League starts in Sept and runs through the Oct and Nov breaks and then World Cup qualifying starts in Mar and will be interrupted in Jun by the Euros.

The NL is a prime candidate for cancellation

sReq | uTeK

Football is important, but its not a necessity, your health is. Its not that the 11 on pitch will die from it, thats HIGHLY unlikely given the shape these guys are but they are likely to be carriers and could inadvertently pass it on.

Jurgen Klopp, who's team are pretty much in purgatory and haven't won a title in 30 years and may not get to do it on front of their own fans after a fantastic season said it best himself, if we can help prevent ONE single death, its worth it.

Tom Mann Centuria

Fair fcuks To Chelsea. Abramovich covering the cost for minimum of 2 months.

https://twitter.com/ChelseaFC/status/1240216826740695041?s=20

CMcsporty

Football is still been played in Turkey.
Idiots

John Mikel Obi leaves Trabzonspor
https://www.bbc.com/sport/africa/51939149

Shanotheslayer

Day 5 in Isolation.

Pornhub is completed.

Agent Coulson

CMcsporty wrote: »

Football is still been played in Turkey.
Idiots

John Mikel Obi leaves Trabzonspor
https://www.bbc.com/sport/africa/51939149

The A league is still being played in Australia as well.

Mitch Connor

Agent Coulson wrote: »

The money bubble in football is burst now I'd expect.

most of the money for football at the top end comes from TV and sponsorship. In a world where going to a football match becomes more of an issue, watching it on tv becomes an even bigger piece of the pie.

Agent Coulson

Mitch Connor wrote: »

most of the money for football at the top end comes from TV and sponsorship. In a world where going to a football match becomes more of an issue, watching it on tv becomes an even bigger piece of the pie.

That is true however depending on how long this last peoples priorities on where they spend their disposable cash may change forever and Sky TV may fall down that list.

Harry Palmr

I dunno how deep Sky's reserves are (they are now part of Comcast who are huge) but punters will surely see some pretty amazeballs deals when sport gets back into gear. If people are exiting subs either cancelling or just letting them lapse then it could be hard to get all that cohort back. Now TV on the other hand could boom and that's part of Sky but clearly wouldn't yield as much for the company.

Then there's the next round of TV deals. Some hard bargaining there, will the Prem will not get any increase from BT/SKY? The Americans will might swoop.

CMcsporty

Agent Coulson wrote: »

The A league is still being played in Australia as well.

"chazzwazzers"

Agent Coulson

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I dunno how deep Sky's reserves are (they are now part of Comcast who are huge) but punters will surely see some pretty amazeballs deals when sport gets back into gear. If people are exiting subs either cancelling or just letting them lapse then it could be hard to get all that cohort back. Now TV on the other hand could boom and that's part of Sky but clearly wouldn't yield as much for the company.

Then there's the next round of TV deals. Some hard bargaining there, will the Prem will not get any increase from BT/SKY? The Americans will might swoop.

Hundreds of thousands if not millions of people are losing their jobs right now around the world where they spend their money will have changed forever no matter what deals tv companies offer.

Harry Palmr

Forever is along time. Market equilibrium will change but the thirst for watching the game will not vanish.

Agent Coulson

Streaming companies will see huge jumps in subscribers in the coming weeks and months more and more people will see that streaming is better value and those streaming companies will not want to lose so I would say we will see a quicker jump in from streamers for the next round of bidding.

This as we have seen from Amazon cost the consumer a lot less that Sky and BT change and offered an option of all games to pick from not just chosen ones.

Bridge93

Agent Coulson wrote: »

The A league is still being played in Australia as well.

The NRL and AFL both going ahead untouched too in Australia. I know its easier for them to isolate themselves but given how strict their borders are it seems weird how lax they are with sport.

Kiith

FM2020 is free to play for the next week, in case anyone doesn't have it and wants their fix.

https://twitter.com/FootballManager/status/1240293351414476800

Tom Mann Centuria

Bridge93 wrote: »

The NRL and AFL both going ahead untouched too in Australia. I know its easier for them to isolate themselves but given how strict their borders are it seems weird how lax they are with sport.

Some of the big names in NRL want a pause, Cameron Smith is the golden balls of Rugby League and he's not happy, so I don't see it going on much longer

Tom Mann Centuria

Gary Neville being an absolute star, opening his hotel to NHS staff working nearby for free, and pledging to keep paying his staff and no redundancies.

The_Kew_Tour

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

Gary Neville being an absolute star, opening his hotel to NHS staff working nearby for free, and pledging to keep paying his staff and no redundancies.

Fair play to him if it’s true.

We need more of it around world and even here

8-10

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

Gary Neville being an absolute star, opening his hotel to NHS staff working nearby for free, and pledging to keep paying his staff and no redundancies.

What staff would he have?

Tom Mann Centuria

8-10 wrote: »

What staff would he have?

The staff of his two hotels. He's also said they won't be made to take unpaid leave.

8-10

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

The staff of his two hotels.

Fair play to him!

Tom Mann Centuria

In Scotland Hearts want all staff, including players to take a 50% paycut.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/mar/18/hearts-propose-wage-cut-all-players-staff-coronavirus-covid-19-crisis

Guy:Incognito

What sort of money would Hearts players be on? Presumably enough to forgo wages altogether for a few weeks to make sure staff on normal wages can keep their full pay I'd have thought?

The_Kew_Tour

£1,000 to £3,000

Guy:Incognito

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

£1,000 to £3,000

****. I'd have thought itd be good bit more than that. I was thinking in the £5k+ range at least

~Rebel~

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

****. I'd have thought itd be good bit more than that. I was thinking in the £5k+ range at least

yeah, from here; https://www.statista.com/statistics/788981/average-scottish-premiership-salary-by-team/

it comes out at an average weekly wage of 3,300 dollars which is around 2,800 pounds - probably a few higher profile lads on much bigger money, with quite a few on less.