Covid-XIX Part VI - 90 cases ROI (1 death) 29 in NI (as of 13 March) *Read OP*

Strazdas

Peregrinus wrote: »

Not technically directed at Schengen area; actually directed at Schengen area.

Plus, not a flight ban; a ban on entry by non-US persons who have been in Schengen area in the previous 14 days. So flights will travel as normal (unless cancelled due to lack of demand) but everyone will be screened and passengers who have been in Schengen area and who are not US citizens/permanent residents will be denied. Same screening will apply to flights arriving from non-Schengen countries.

Effectively a flight ban though. Most European carriers will not fly to the US if they can only carry American passengers.

An interesting side effect is that it makes it virtually impossible for any American to holiday in Europe (will they even get back in?)

bekker

On what grounds, ostensibly it's a matter of public health. ``

jimmycrackcorm

Peregrinus wrote: »

Not technically directed at Schengen area; actually directed at Schengen area.

Plus, not a flight ban; a ban on entry by non-US persons who have been in Schengen area in the previous 14 days. So flights will travel as normal (unless cancelled due to lack of demand) but everyone will be screened and passengers who have been in Schengen area and who are not US citizens/permanent residents will be denied. Same screening will apply to flights arriving from non-Schengen countries.

I presume they can only tell if you have been to a Schengen country in the last 14 days of you have a visa stamp. There's no way they can tell for example, if any Irish have been to central Europe.

sdanseo

Santiago Prickly Mineral wrote: »

Can only assume the volume at DUB (and all of uk) will be +++,
what if the Italians are hoping to get off to MIA, will they Ryanair it over here with great gusto next week?

Maybe start spraying the place down, luggage en al.

Travel to any Schengen country in the last 14 days is also not allowed in.

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

The US is going to get pretty hard with CV breviary of the basic problems of not having socially based healthcare nor sickness pay for workers.

They'll come a time when many other countries will be banning flights from there instead.

I expect the death rate in the US to make China and Italy look minor in comparison, both countries that actually have better capacity to treat people who can't afford private care.

As bad as the US system is, there are only (lol, only) 28 million without cover.

The remaining 92% of the population have private health insurance and ready access to some of the best healthcare systems on the planet.

The atrocity is that the rest are quite literally in many cases left to fend for themselves, in the most powerful country in the world.

niallo27

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Of course not.

Viruses require hosts and it does not work if it's killing off future victims. Supply and demand I guess.

That's dark man.

kaymin

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Of course not.

Viruses require hosts and it does not work if it's killing off future victims. Supply and demand I guess.

Add to that, only 0.9% of people without pre-existing health issues die from the virus. So if you're healthy and under 70 (and probably over 70 also) you have very little to worry about.

jimmycrackcorm

sdanseo wrote: »

Travel to any Schengen country in the last 14 days is also not allowed in.



As bad as the US system is, there are only (lol, only) 28 million without cover.

The remaining 92% of the population have private health insurance and ready access to some of the best healthcare systems on the planet.

The atrocity is that the rest are quite literally in many cases left to fend for themselves, in the most powerful country in the world.

Private insurance is going to explode cost wise for those that do given the demands that will be made on it.

And even those that do have it, they don't get sick pay for the most part.

MadYaker

Cupatae wrote: »

Id rather less contemplating and more action tbh, we all know the route its going i dont see the advantage of delaying the inevitable, its a matter of time.. no contemplating needed. id Rather we move too soon than too late.

Moving too soon is just as bad as moving too late. We can't shut the country down for more than about 4 - 6 weeks or our economy will never recover (most of the SMEs in the country would go bust) so timing is important. We can't contain this so we have to try and slow the spread so that in a week or 2 when a lof of people start getting sick the hospitals don't get overwhelmed like what's happening in Italy now. The death figures from Italy are going to take a big jump tomorrow.

SafeSurfer

sdanseo wrote: »

Travel to any Schengen country in the last 14 days is also not allowed in.



As bad as the US system is, there are only (lol, only) 28 million without cover.

The remaining 92% of the population have private health insurance and ready access to some of the best healthcare systems on the planet.

The atrocity is that the rest are quite literally in many cases left to fend for themselves, in the most powerful country in the world.

Some health insurers could go bust over this. Add in billions in travel insurance payouts and lost business/business contingency insurance and this could be the 2008 of the global insurance industry.

ceadaoin.

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

The US is going to get pretty hard with CV because of the basic problems of not having socially based healthcare nor sickness pay for workers.

There'll come a time when many other countries will be banning flights from there instead.

I expect the death rate in the US to make China and Italy look minor in comparison, both countries that actually have better capacity to treat people who can't afford private care.

Trump said there wont be any costs associated with treatment for coronavirus. Now whether that happens or not is another story

Peregrinus

Strazdas wrote: »

Effectively a flight ban though. Most European carriers will not fly to the US if they can only carry American passengers.

An interesting side effect is that it makes it virtually impossible for any American to holiday in Europe (will they even get back in?)

There'll be some flights, at least, to cater for US citizens/perm residents who want to make the trip. And of course there'll be flights from non-Schengen countries, so a US person in, say, Paris who couldn't find a seat on a Paris-NY flight could fly or take the train to London, and then travel London-NY.

sdanseo

sdanseo wrote: »

Travel to any Schengen country in the last 14 days is also not allowed in.



As bad as the US system is, there are only (lol, only) 28 million without cover.

The remaining 92% of the population have private health insurance and ready access to some of the best healthcare systems on the planet.

The atrocity is that the rest are quite literally in many cases left to fend for themselves, in the most powerful country in the world.

Massive deductibles, though. Most with cover don't want to use it as it can cost so much anyway.

NSAman

The worrying thing in the States is that there is NO information locally about where cases are creeping in. I know only a few cases in Chicago and Madison. It has been reported that a family in Iowa were supposed to be in self isolation but went out shopping and the kids mixed with other kids.

People, in general, where I am have NO concept of this virus. I have been preparing for this for a number of weeks. Tomorrow marks things becoming REAL for staff and people who interact with the office.

My own opinion is that the USA has NO idea how many actual cases it has.

It worries the hell out of me that such draconian measures are being taken to ban all travel, this from someone who didn’t seem to take it seriously until this evening. what are they NOT telling people.

Kermit.de.frog

kaymin wrote: »

Add to that, only 0.9% of people without pre-existing health issues die from the virus.

Do you have a link for that stat?

Ficheall

kaymin wrote: »

Add to that, only 0.9% of people without pre-existing health issues die from the virus.

Source?

Strazdas

MadYaker wrote: »

Moving too soon is just as bad as moving too late. We can't shut the country down for more than about 4 - 6 weeks or our economy will never recover (most of the SMEs in the country would go bust) so timing is important. We can't contain this so we have to try and slow the spread so that in a week or 2 when a lof of people start getting sick the hospitals don't get overwhelmed like what's happening in Italy now. The death figures from Italy are going to take a big jump tomorrow.

Ivan Yates made that point tonight. If you go too soon with your lockdown (as the social media panickers / alarmists are demanding), you might not be able to get back out of the lockdown again - an absolutely disastrous scenario.

sdanseo

kaymin wrote: »

Add to that, only 0.9% of people without pre-existing health issues die from the virus. So if you're healthy and under 70 (and probably over 70 also) you have very little to worry about.

0.9% of detected lab confirmed cases.

Mundane reasoning, and its not verifiable by anything other than instinct, but there are too many people cropping up in the media as confirmed from travel to Italy at a time when Italy only had a few hundred cases. It's almost statistically impossible that with a 2 to 14 day incubation period 30+ people would be detected in Ireland while Italy had less than 10k. For that many to have it, and many of those cases and clusters are seperate, it would have to have been widespread in Italy already.

There are probably many millions already infected worldwide. And that reduces the mortality statistics by at least one, and possibly several, orders of magnitude. In Europe at least, I would say almost all if not all deaths are being accurately recorded.

Ficheall

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-11-20-intl-hnk/index.html


Leo's reception cancelled.

kaymin

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Some health insurers could go bust over this. Add in billions in travel insurance payouts and lost business/business contingency insurance and this could be the 2008 of the global insurance industry.

Not sure about that - there are no expensive drugs to treat this and it will be public A&E departments that will deal with serious cases. HSE will likely take over private health care facilities if numbers creep up.

Kermit.de.frog

Ficheall wrote: »

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-11-20-intl-hnk/index.html


Leo's reception cancelled.

Trump is a germophobe, not surprising.

Micky 32

pad199207 wrote: »

Oil fallen another 6%. Gas how it never suddenly plunges in the filling stations.

I got diesel today for 1.20 litre

Deeper Blue

What's it going to take for the government to shut schools and universities, surely we should be taking a page out of Poland's book here, it's inevitable that things are going to get a whole lot worse so why not take action now? Baffling

Kermit.de.frog

Ficheall wrote: »

Source?

Looks like no peer reviewed documentation will be forthcoming to back up that assertion unfortunately.

fritzelly

NDWC wrote: »

What's it going to take for the government to shut schools and universities, surely we should be taking a page out of Poland's book here, it's inevitable that things are going to get a whole lot worse so why not take action now? Baffling

Poland is one of the last countries we should be looking up to and following

Cartel Mike

Off to bed. I can see the next 100 pages being about trump's 'political' decisions and not about Covid-19. He's an idiot we all know that but hasn't thankfully made any direct decisions in that speech that are going to actually aid the spread of this thing in fact it looks like he's done the opposite! Don't understand the objections ,i was actually begginning to think we were beyond the point of feeling slightly 'inconvenced'. Maybe 2morrow we'll have gotten over it and concentrate on Ireland and Europe again as that ain't going away any time soon.

bekker

kaymin wrote: »

Add to that, only 0.9% of people without pre-existing health issues die from the virus. So if you're healthy and under 70 (and probably over 70 also) you have very little to worry about.

Source?

Chinese CDC documented underlying conditions, if any, for fewer than half of the 44,600 confirmed cases it studied.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/03/these-underlying-conditions-make-coronavirus-more-severe-and-they-are-surprisingly-common/?sf231272833=1

kaymin

Ficheall wrote: »

Source?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

cnocbui

I would be surprised if Trump's flight ban isn't challenged in the courts.

kaymin

bekker wrote: »

Source?

Chinese CDC documented underlying conditions, if any, for fewer than half of the 44,600 confirmed cases it studied.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/03/these-underlying-conditions-make-coronavirus-more-severe-and-they-are-surprisingly-common/?sf231272833=1

See link above.

Pre-existing medical conditions (comorbidities)
Patients who reported no pre-existing ("comorbid") medical conditions had a case fatality rate of 0.9%.

Tea Shock

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Trump is a germophobe, not surprising.

And it's actually the correct thing to do