Covid-XIX Part VI - 90 cases ROI (1 death) 29 in NI (as of 13 March) *Read OP*

celt262

retro:electro wrote: »

Media blackout?

Can still book a room there for tonight.

Tordelback

lawred2 wrote: »

all presenting with matured symptoms at the same time? In a hotel?

At this time of year? At this time of day? In this part of the country? Localized entirely within your kitchen?

gabeeg

gabeeg wrote: »

Coronavirus: most infections spread by people yet to show symptoms – scientists

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/mar/12/coronavirus-most-infections-spread-by-people-yet-to-show-symptoms-scientists

This is bad

"This is one thing we really didn’t want to go this way.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U-7L1tmBAo

Blueshoe

dan786 wrote: »

Prime Minister Boris Johnson to give an update at 16.30 after chairing emergency Cobra committee meeting

Should be interesting...

Well at least he is in the UK and having meetings. Our lad went on holiday. Tis some country. Where is Michael Martin by the way? In a bunker somewhere.
Mary Lou at home baking buns. None of these people are leaders.
No word from our president either. Hiding out in his compound

spakman

celt262 wrote: »

Can still book a room there for tonight.

It's bull**** - some fella was peddling that story on twitter yesterday and last week

scamalert

this $hit got totally Byblical, ****ing thunder roaring with pissing weather winds, went into town people use anti bacterial whatever crap to rub em off after touching anything, people in shops with gloves handling cash, no ****ing toilet paper - seriously how much do some $hit to need months supply.


I get now kids will be fcking doing nothing for almost a month, most places will close down, all the muppets will storm shops to stock up on ****e they dont need - well its good if ur running shop i guess.


but aside people that should take break, wtf is the idea behind all this, 3 weeks passes many will go back to doing whatever they did, and virus if its immune to warmer weather will still be around for much of the year.


Which really ****s up things, for people who lets say wanna fck off for holidays from this entire hysteria, as seems many not thinking rational at all at this point- as sales wise its peaking even past christmas now in general, so the virus if its out there prob will spread even more then usual anyway.

theguzman

The Clayton Hotel is near Dublin airport, it is obviously airline passengers who are seeking refuge there and getting tested. I had it picked as my location to check into upon my own return and then ring the HSE to come test me.

trashcan

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Got any pets?

Ah come on, it won't come to eating your pets, will it :eek:

wonski

Slovakia to close borders and not allowing foreigners in (except the Poles)

theguzman

wonski wrote: »

Slovakia to close borders and not allowing foreigners in (except the Poles)

Mutti won't like this.

joeysoap

Blueshoe wrote: »

Who will bring up people's children now?

The village.

d51984

The 3rd floor of that Clayton hotel has been sealed off the last few days. An air hostess got it there.

El Weirdo

lawred2 wrote: »

all presenting with matured symptoms at the same time? In a hotel?

I heard the restaurant is serving steamed hams.

If they had announced school closures a week in advance there would be no panic-buying.

Sober Crappy Chemis

d51984 wrote: »

The 3rd floor of that Clayton hotel has been sealed off the last few days. An air hostess got it there.

I’d say quite a few air hostesses have “got it” there...

Tordelback

scamalert wrote: »

but aside people that should take break, wtf is the idea behind all this, 3 weeks passes many will go back to doing whatever they did, and virus if its immune to warmer weather will still be around for much of the year.

And your alternative suggestion to is for us to... do nothing and watch our loved ones die? I'm not saying you haven't thought this through, but you haven't.

BetterWay

Boggles wrote: »

I wonder what data Tony Holohan saw last night that brought the "lockdown" forward.

More scaremongering posts

An Education insider said on a previous post here on Monday that the schools would close on Friday. I believe they'd called other things correctly before this

Teachers and school Principals would have had foreknowledge of this days ago

Knex*

gabeeg wrote: »

Coronavirus: most infections spread by people yet to show symptoms – scientists

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/mar/12/coronavirus-most-infections-spread-by-people-yet-to-show-symptoms-scientists

This is bad

The finding has dismayed infectious disease researchers as it means that isolating people once they start to feel ill will be far less effective at slowing the pandemic than had been hoped.

I thought this was pretty obvious for a while now.

I don't know what the solution is, but I do know the mantra of waiting for symptoms to start was daft, from everything we've found out over the past few weeks.

Glad that we're kicking properly int the self isolation phase now with schools closing and emphasis on working from home.

Hopefully it won't be too late for a lot of people.

Boggles

scamalert wrote: »

this $hit got totally Byblical, ****ing thunder roaring with pissing weather winds, went into town people use anti bacterial whatever crap to rub em off after touching anything, people in shops with gloves handling cash, no ****ing toilet paper - seriously how much do some $hit to need months supply.


I get now kids will be fcking doing nothing for almost a month, most places will close down, all the muppets will storm shops to stock up on ****e they dont need - well its good if ur running shop i guess.


but aside people that should take break, wtf is the idea behind all this, 3 weeks passes many will go back to doing whatever they did, and virus if its immune to warmer weather will still be around for much of the year.


Which really ****s up things, for people who lets say wanna fck off for holidays from this entire hysteria, as seems many not thinking rational at all at this point- as sales wise its peaking even past christmas now in general, so the virus if its out there prob will spread even more then usual anyway.

Jaysus lad, we haven't even started day 1 and you have all ready lost your shít!

Steve F

He's a psychology question
Does Panic buying CAUSE panic buying?
Vicious circle?

UrbanFret

Its rumored that a patient in ward 1 South West Acute Hospital Enniskillen has tested positive. If as is likely that is true then it's a worrying development for the northern half of the country.

Bannasidhe

Blueshoe wrote: »

Who will bring up people's children now?

May I just say on behalf of The Gay Lobby that we are shut for the duration and not taking any children for rearing for the foreseeable future.

UrbanFret

Steve F wrote: »

He's a psychology question
Does Panic buying CAUSE panic buying?
Vicious circle?

Bit like a yawn!;)

Funsterdelux

scamalert wrote: »

this $hit got totally Byblical, ****ing thunder roaring with pissing weather winds, went into town people use anti bacterial whatever crap to rub em off after touching anything, people in shops with gloves handling cash, no ****ing toilet paper - seriously how much do some $hit to need months supply.


I get now kids will be fcking doing nothing for almost a month, most places will close down, all the muppets will storm shops to stock up on ****e they dont need - well its good if ur running shop i guess.


but aside people that should take break, wtf is the idea behind all this, 3 weeks passes many will go back to doing whatever they did, and virus if its immune to warmer weather will still be around for much of the year.


Which really ****s up things, for people who lets say wanna fck off for holidays from this entire hysteria, as seems many not thinking rational at all at this point- as sales wise its peaking even past christmas now in general, so the virus if its out there prob will spread even more then usual anyway.

Its a pandemic no where to f##k off to!

Could go on like this for months

Cupatae

Steve F wrote: »

He's a psychology question
Does Panic buying CAUSE panic buying?
Vicious circle?

Paniciking because of people panic buying and buying more just encase the panic buyers buy it all

Rob A. Bank

gabeeg wrote: »

Coronavirus: most infections spread by people yet to show symptoms – scientists

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/mar/12/coronavirus-most-infections-spread-by-people-yet-to-show-symptoms-scientists

This is bad

Very bad indeed :-(

“One of the factors that has distinguished this coronavirus pandemic from the Sars epidemic in 2003, is that Sars was infectious only after the development of clinical signs, which made it relatively easier to control.

For the current pandemic, from very early on it was suspected that a substantial number of transmissions were arising before clinical signs appeared.

14 days quarantine for the Cheltenham crowd then ?

touts

d51984 wrote: »

The 3rd floor of that Clayton hotel has been sealed off the last few days. An air hostess got it there.

**** me. That must be the 5000th resident of the Clayton hotel who caught the virus. Do you think they should shut the hotel? Or do you think it's fake news? I know which one I think it is.


(It's the second one. I decided I should spell that out for you since, you know, you believed the bull**** story in the beginning).

antodeco

LirW wrote: »

I was just in my village shop, they have towers of Bog roll and all sorts of food, like nothing ever happened. If you need anything, look very local, chances are they have everything.

As in look EXTRA Irish?

New Home

An interview from the Director of Brescia University Hospital

Original: https://www.ilsussidiario.net/news/italia-quarantena-chiusura-totale-e-terapia-intensiva-per-vincere-la-guerra-del-10/1995646/

Badly translated by Google: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=it&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ilsussidiario.net%2Fnews%2Fitalia-quarantena-chiusura-totale-e-terapia-intensiva-per-vincere-la-guerra-del-10%2F1995646%2F

Slightly edited version:

ITALY-QUARANTINE / Total closure and intensive care to win the 10% war

Publication: 12.03.2020 Last update: 08:22

Camillo Rossi

"Closing social relationships is technically indispensable to reduce the possibility of virus circulation".

The medical director of the Spedali Civili di Brescia speaks.

Right now it is one of the many "frontiers" of Northern Italy in the fight against coronavirus. The Spedali Civili di Brescia are the largest healthcare company in Lombardy, with a potential pool of one million and 300 thousand patients. They're struggling to create new intensive care places.

"We started from 29, we will soon reach 50. In all, we reached 480-500 beds for coronavirus positive patients," says medical director Camillo Rossi. An enormous effort, as Rossi defines it, who thanks all the staff, committed "with a moving dedication and availability". On the measures decided by the government, Rossi does not settle. “The virus needs to be transmitted in order to survive. If transmission is prevented, the virus stops circulating and dies."

Director, how's the situation?

In two weeks we have achieved what could usually be done in maybe two years. We started with 29 intensive care beds, now we have 45, in a week they'll have tincreased to 50. Right now, 35 places are occupied by patients affected by covid-19.

What did you do when the emergency broke out?

Thanks to the Civil Protection and to AREU (Regional Emergency Agency), we immediately installed an external tent with 36 reception places. Anyone with a significant disorder is welcomed here. They'll be examined, swabs will be taken, their blood gas levels measured, blood samples for a full blood count will be taken, and they'll get a chest x-ray. And then they'll wait for the results. But let me say one thing, first of all.

Please do.

We are in an emergency, it is true, but we do everything we have to do in an orderly way. The problems are there and always will be; we face them and we take care of all those who arrive. We don't underestimate patients. Basically, we're there.

Do you wish to respond to the mayor of Bergamo, Giorgio Gori? "Patients who cannot be treated are left to die," said Gori. The Bergamo area is in a state of emergency, just like yours.

I don't wish to respond toanyone. I'm simply confirming what I've just told you. We all do our best to treat everyone.

All those affected by covid-19?

The hospital admits all those who need it, not just severe coronavirus cases. Here we treat everyone. Nobody is being left behind, we don't intend to start now.

Are you working a miracle?

No, we are doing what everyone is doing. We have converted many beds, following the indications of the Lombardy Region. We adapted to reality, with the effort of all the healthcare personnel, but we did it.

With what results?

We aim to reach 480-500 beds for coronavirus positive patients. The catchment area attributed to this healthcare company is about 500 thousand inhabitants, in reality we serve the whole province of Brescia. It means 1 million 300 thousand inhabitants.

Are you hanging on?

We are, for the time being. Let's go step by step: we open beds every 24-36 hours. But the number of staff is always the same! They are exceptional people, all of them, with a moving dedication and availability. There is no amount of money that could compensate them.

What is that due to? You are all facing a very difficult test.

I'm not talking about myself, I'm talking about them. It's not due to the circumstances: the same hot water hardens an egg and softens a potato. It all depends on what cloth the people are cut from and [our people are exceptional].

You have seen the whole development of the epidemic. Decree after decree, "total closure" has been reached. Is it the right thing?

Yes. Closing social and physical relationships is an indispensable technical measure to reduce the possibility of virus circulation. The virus needs to be transmitted in order to survive. If transmission is prevented, the virus stops circulating and dies. If it circulates less, it infects less.

The Italians, however ...

Italians have had different reaction times, but this is understandable, it is also due to external factors, newspapers and TV, fake news.

Is coronavirus just a bad flu?

No, it's a differemt thing altogether. We are dealing with a stranger. While with flu we have developed an immune system over a large number of years, reacting in this case is difficult because our body has no information.

It's mainly the elderly who are getting sick.

Everyone can be sick. Coronavirus affects all age groups. But the younger ones can experience even a cold, being perhaps unconscious vehicles of contagion. Closing the schools makes sense precisely for this reason, many are or can be healthy carriers. While not getting sick they circulate the virus.

Maybe we have taken the right measures, but they are not very enforceable.

China immediately shut everyone down. This is the correct approach that we too must now follow. It is not reductive of everyone's true freedom, because it asks of everyone to be personally responsible. You can donate money for respirators, but the small gift that everyone can do is stay at home.

New restrictions came in last night.

Better to hold on for a few days than to face a more complex situation, so to speak.

Are you not surprised by the contagiousness of the virus?

The flu syndrome is also contagious, but the point that perhaps people have not understood is [how aggressive this virus is to the respiratory system]. This is why we risk defaulting, as the intensivists of Lombardy wrote.

Then make us understand in summary what the issue really is.

To put it simply, I would say this: whoever gets seriously ill, is really serious. That 10% of patients for whom intensive care [is likely needed] will need respiratory support and a complex treatment.

Let's go back to November, when "coronavirus" was an unknown word but according to infectious disease specialists like Gismondo the virus was already in circulation. Would you have [thought you were facing] a normal interstitial pneumonia or not?

An interstitial pneumonia not responding to traditional therapies. We are using precise therapeutic protocols, but with viral diseases there are few weapons: prevention, vaccinations, symptomatic therapy and [trying to prevent] complications. In certain viral pathologies such as Hepatitis C, B or AIDS there are specific drugs, but coronavirus is new. We have been looking among currently available drugs for something that would help reduce viral infection and subsequent lung inflammation.

What is your message, in conclusion?

It is imperative to comply with the indications that come from those responsible for public health.

Politicians included?

Right now they are following the technical directives given by the experts and this is good. I am not interested in political ballets, I am just saying that the effort that the Lombardy Region Welfare Directorate is making, as I see it from here, is very important. Regional directives come from scientific research and from a precise approach: to defend the individual and the community.

If you look at your hospital, what are you [taking home] from all this?

It's a great proof of humanity. Hospitals are paradoxically returning to being places where you go if you are in need. We are returning to the care of true, substantial needs.

(Federico Ferraù)

©

Level 5 Vegan

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If they had announced school closures a week in advance there would be no panic-buying.

I've emailed the WHO and asked them to announce any future pandemics a week in advance of the declaration.