Covid-XIX Part VI - 90 cases ROI (1 death) 29 in NI (as of 13 March) *Read OP*

littlemac1980

Lots of reports of people being left locked in their homes with dead family members coming from a Italy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/03/12/coronavirus-bodies-italy-quarantine/

Horrific situation.

Also news reports from Ireland now of supermarkets pleading for people to stop stockpiling. Total non-sense! People have every right to get prepared. And some comments on those articles are still suggesting these people are “ruining it for everyone”... ruining what? Your misguided sense of entitlement to normality in these circumstances. Wake up people if haven’t already! Get prepared now if it’s not too late already.

otnomart

DOCARCH wrote: »

Total deaths in Italy now stands at 1,016. Give it a week and it may surpass China!

I don't think so.
Lockdown does work,

we just don't see the effects overnight

murpho999

So the UK delay phase means they simply delay taking any positive action.

cloudatlas

Knex. wrote: »

Sensible from what perspective?

Sacrificing lives in the name of their economy?

They are being advised by a committee which comprises the best minds/ professors/ professionals across the board in the u.k. boris isn’t going against their advice and pulling anything out of his arse. They will act soon.

Strazdas

Cohen Obnoxious Eel wrote: »

It could be, but health systems around the world are being overwhelmed by this virus so we just can't know if that eventuality would ever have been possible.

Yes, huge numbers of infections even with a low death rate would still pose massive problems for every health service

Away With The Fairies

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Not offering medical advice, something to have to go along with the toilet paper.

Kunkka

youreadthat wrote: »

UK approach is more sensible by far. Acknowledges reality and has plans in place rather than a premature lockdown that will have to be lifted before the virus is under control anyway.

Trying to just have a different opinion to the many people furious about the UK approach?

There is no such thing as a premature lockdown with this. There is just a lockdown until things settle over the course of a few months. See Wuhan where things are slowly getting better.

How can allowing mass public gathering and creating more cases help the UK in the long term? If anything it will cause the pressure on the NHS to be even greater and longer.

Let me ask you this.

If Italy could go back in time do you not think they'd have gone into lockdown sooner? I don't think they'd say "Na, we don't want to do it too early".

Bob24

youreadthat wrote: »

UK approach is more sensible by far. Acknowledges reality and has plans in place rather than a premature lockdown that will have to be lifted before the virus is under control anyway.

If we summarise what the UK is doing now compared to what other countries of similar size did at the same stage of the epidemic: they are chosing the Italian approach rather than the Korean approach.

Not sure I would call the Italian approach "the most sensitive" given the death rate in each of those countries :-s

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

The climate, the little village, the lakes, trees, open fields, Timothée Chalamet, all beautiful.

That last shot.

Nijmegen

Nijmegen wrote: »

Be careful, your food prep workers and delivery drivers probably can't afford to be off work. Not saying don't eat it (cooked food should be fine) but do wipe down the stuff you get it in / wash your hands before eating the grub itself.

He's right.

Jenbach110

New Home wrote: »

Italy: Of the total people dead, 98% were over 68 years of age (so much for this being something that affects mostly old people), and 67% had pre-existing conditions (so much for this being something that affects mostly frail people).

Whats with the brackets??
It is the elderly and a higher percentage of frail people!
Im not being abrupt here but those are facts

murpho999

DOCARCH wrote: »

In honestly think European style lockdowns are not up to much!

25K people leaving Lombardy the evening the lock down was announced is not going to help reduce cases/deaths anytime soon!

Of course it does as the millions who remained are not spreading it further. China is the place to look at and how their lock down is now working.

littlemac1980

otnomart wrote: »

I don't think so.
Lockdown does work,

we just don't see the effects overnight

If it’s a truly strict lockdown we should see some daily reductions in about 10 - 14 days, in the meantime cases will continue to increase and deaths too.

Every chance Italy will surpass China at this stage... it’s not looking good.

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viewfromtheuk wrote: »

Some of my previous posts and their pearls of wisdom

And does that smug demeanor curry such favour with people in the real world for you as well?

Seriously, I don't think that most people need or want to hear that you were right, especially just now. That's pretty mean of you.

Mic 1972

New Home wrote: »

Italy: Of the total people dead, 98% were over 68 years of age (so much for this being something that affects mostly old people), and 67% had pre-existing conditions (so much for this being something that affects mostly frail people).

Now consider this,

Italian hospitals are accepting only younger than 65 and with no per-existing life treatening health issues and only if they have critical symptoms
Hospitals are full

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Irish Stones wrote: »

You'll be welcome here, but be aware that not Italy is safe to visit.

Oh, I’m talking waaay in the future. I defo want to support the country when the time is right.

DOCARCH

otnomart wrote: »

I don't think so.
Lockdown does work,

we just don't see the effects overnight

Lockdown China style works. Lockdown European style will take an awful lot longer to see positive effects.

tuxy

limnam wrote: »

He didn't make a distinction. The topic was how long it could go on for and making the point that it cold be difficult as people can be infected more than once

More info would be needed on this, I'm surprised he didn't give more info if he knows something that other don't.

murpho999

eviltimeban wrote: »

My parents there too, older, and living in an area with lots of older retirees. They said no one is talking about it.

They are taking precautions however, and not doing any socialising.

The media are both a blessing and a curse; you need a strong constitution (no pun intended) to get to the facts.

It can be quite distressing - any little cough or shiver you have and you think "is this it??"

So that's why nobody is talking about it.

Strazdas

littlemac1980 wrote: »

If it’s a truly strict lockdown we should see some daily reductions in about 10 - 14 days, in the meantime cases will continue to increase and deaths too.

Every chance Italy will surpass China at this stage... it’s not looking good.

The strategy is clearly to slow down the virus and try and push it back into the summer (and with the hope the summer months do big damage to the virus spread)

eviltimeban

murpho999 wrote: »

So that's why nobody is talking about it.

No they meant the local news. They are listening to Irish news to find out what's going on.

They are still seeing people, just not going out.

ShooterSF

Nijmegen wrote: »

Obviously UCD is not content that Trinity has more confirmed cases than they do.

https://twitter.com/OldeEire/status/1238147265610551298?s=20

Just got an email as I'm an undergrad there, We (all students) will be learning through at distance for the rest of the semester not just till end of March. So in some ways they are taking it seriously. I don't understand the library decision but students won't be on campus anyway.

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Mango Joe wrote: »

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Back on topic, there is a guaranteed baby boom coming out of this....Mark my words.

We'll probably need it to replace all the pensioners who will be knocked off by this:)

On a serious note. I was chatting to a couple in their 70's today in South Kerry.
He was saying that this will probably knock off a lot of old people who would have died of old age but will be attributed to covid 19. His own father was in his 90's, lots of health issues that could kill him. But he got flu, died and his death certificate says cause was flu not the myriad other things what contributed.

tobefrank321

littlemac1980 wrote: »

Lots of reports of people being left locked in their homes with dead family members coming from a Italy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/03/12/coronavirus-bodies-italy-quarantine/

Horrific situation.

Also news reports from Ireland now of supermarkets pleading for people to stop stockpiling. Total non-sense! People have every right to get prepared. And some comments on those articles are still suggesting these people are “ruining it for everyone”... ruining what? Your misguided sense of entitlement to normality in these circumstances. Wake up people if haven’t already! Get prepared now if it’s not too late already.

Get ready for what exactly? Italians and Chinese are still allowed to go shopping, including for, you guessed it, toilet paper.

For 80% of people this will be relatively mild. For something like 90% of working age people it will be an inconvenience at best.

Factories including toilet paper ones will continue as normal.

There is no need to panic buy.

This is not the end of the world.

Ardillaun

I’d say Trump would like to sanction Europe while he’s at it.

Scarinae

Ice hockey has just been suspended in North America as well

https://twitter.com/NHL/status/1238156904473530368?s=20

First NBA, now this, I wouldn't be surprised if NFL is next.

otnomart

Virologist Ilaria Capua from University of Florida http://www.epi.ufl.edu/people/faculty-profiles/ilaria-capua/
suggesting that antibiotic/antimicrobial resistence and/or a superbacteria might be contributing to the high death rate in coronavirus patients.
https://www.fanpage.it/attualita/coronavirus-aver-preso-troppi-antibiotici-potrebbe-spiegare-perche-in-italia-si-muore-di-piu/

Brought back bad memories of MRSA in Ireland

KWAG2019

British approach is being presented with great aplomb and cut glass accents but it’s not really going to do anything to delay the spread much. Seems much more likely to move toward peak sooner and then try to head it off....when the damage is done.

DeanAustin

Kunkka wrote: »

Trying to just have a different opinion to the many people furious about the UK approach?

There is no such thing as a premature lockdown with this. There is just a lockdown until things settle over the course of a few months. See Wuhan where things are slowly getting better.

How can allowing mass public gathering and creating more cases help the UK in the long term? If anything it will cause the pressure on the NHS to be even greater and longer.

Let me ask you this.

If Italy could go back in time do you not think they'd have gone into lockdown sooner? I don't think they'd say "Na, we don't want to do it too early".

The UK are saying they are making decisions based on medical and expert advice. There is a logic to what they are saying and what they are doing. That’s not to say I necessarily agree with it but Boris Johnson is better informed on the subject than me or you.

It’s impossible for most of us here to make an informed judgement because we aren’t experts. History will judge whether the UK has done a good job on this.

DrumSteve

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Now consider this,

Italian hospitals are accepting only younger than 65 and with no per-existing life treatening health issues and only if they have critical symptoms
Hospitals are full

Its not like they turfed out all the over 65s the other day and they still filled back up.

There are people in there since the start of the outbreak who would be over that age.