Covid-XIX Part VI - 90 cases ROI (1 death) 29 in NI (as of 13 March) *Read OP*

JP Liz V1

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Are the hospitals starting to go Rogue and saying they have cases like the Mercy did in Cork....we're not even meant to know it's cork, just the south.

I'm glad they are

BloodBath

DrumSteve wrote: »

The welding was true; however was this not done to force people out of a single exit rather than no exit?

Yes.

Spook_ie

sideswipe wrote: »

Euthanasia aren't effected its the oldinasia that are at risk.

But what about the oldinitaly and the oldineurope in general?

D.Q

igCorcaigh wrote: »

I have no idea but would like to know.
Any WHO data would be helpful.

Sorry meant to quote the person you were responding to. :pac::pac:

wakka12

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Whatever number they give out the real death rate is actually lower,


Lets say they have 2730 positive tested people and 10 die they give that percentage,
When in reality there will be many more who have it but are never tested and simple feel bad for a couple of days and get over it, So these people are never counted ,

So they death rate of 6% , 2 % or whatever is not the actually the real death rate it will always be lower

No, South Korea have eliminated that possibility by testing many hundreds of thousands. The cruise ship also eliminates that possibility. The mortality rate is at least 1%. Higher if healthcare services are overwhelmed, as in Wuhan.

Beasty

Naomi Campbell takes one or two extra precautions in the airport....

NegativeCreep

Bob24 wrote: »

I think one problem will be to source medical ventilators if we want to increase ICU capacity. This seems to be the most critical piece of equipment required to keep patients alive and many counties will be looking at procuring a lot of them all at the same time.

Half of all ventilators used in the world are manufactured in Ireland. We should be making those companies provide us with the equipment we need.

gmisk

JDD wrote: »

Question for y'all.

I saw the tweet from One Pico last night, and I have to say I feel very sorry for all the small business owners who are starting the feel the pinch and know that it is only going to get worse.

I am considering asking two of my friends if they want to go out to dinner on Friday night. I feel like I should support the restaurant business - while I still can - as it would be a terrible pity if some really good places went under.

I don't expect small businesses will get anything like the same amount of financial support from our government as that which has just been announced in the UK budget.

Am I being irresponsible by going out on Friday? We'll keep apart from one other, wash our hands, all the usual craic. And at the moment I am on my work floor with 140 other people, I can't see how going to a restaurant with two friends will make me more likely to pick something up, or pass it on to someone else.

What are your thoughts?

I'd go for it.
Maybe pick somewhere with decent sized tables and some spaces between them. As you say probably more likely to get it in work!

megabomberman

wakka12 wrote: »

WHO have announced that the focus of the epidemic has now moved from Asia to Europe. Shocking how fast things develop with this virus.

Shocking indictment of how inept the European governments' responses have been.

drunkmonkey

mlem123 wrote: »

Not sure about that, in the HSE some non-essential service people are being told to be on standby as we may be sent to work in Public Health for a while..

They said last night 5000 need to be transferred to health to work on contact tracing.

Renjit

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Whatever number they give out the real death rate is actually lower,


Lets say they have 2730 positive tested people and 10 die they give that percentage,
When in reality there will be many more who have it but are never tested and simple feel bad for a couple of days and get over it, So these people are never counted ,

So they death rate of 6% , 2 % or whatever is not the actually the real death rate it will always be lower

Agree. The number would be closer to SK. Italy may still have many unconfirmed cases or the median age could me much higher resulting in large mortality number.

Candamir

Deleted User wrote: »

Good article on why washing hands with soap & water helps. Soaps (even anti-bacterial ones) attack the lipid layer of the virus causing it to fall apart. Its not 'killed' as such, rather rendered inactive and so neutralised.


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/deadly-viruses-are-no-match-for-plain-old-soap-heres-the-science-behind-it-2020-03-08

It’s only not killed, because viruses aren’t considered to be alive in the first place!

(Although it is a topic of debate, most scientists don’t think they qualify to be classed as living)

Xertz

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

They should be allowed recover and then sent to prison for 2 years for doing that.

And now you can see why the HSE doesn’t identify patients ...

You’d have the rumours flying and this kind of thing, social media being dug out and various judge and juries of keyboard warriors.

That will cause people to hide.

None of the above is confirmed and a lot of people may have no idea they were even infected with anything.

sterz

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I'm glad they are

Why does it matter where the cases are occuring? Surely everybody should be carrying out the same precautions throughout the country.

Thelonious Monk

My brother lives in Malta and they've locked the place down, he was supposed to be seeing his baby son for the first time in months soon in Spain. That ain't happening now.
I wonder if this is going to change how we all live our lives and travel etc.

c.p.w.g.w

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Apple employee in Cork who tested positive apparently decided the pub was better than self isolating, another positive case needed to have her hair done, anyone who goes out in public with it should be fined

Arrested more like

pad199207

Would one feel safer in China now or in Ireland?

gmisk

Beasty wrote: »

Naomi Campbell takes one or two extra precautions in the airport....

Wow that is a lot even for her.
I once watched her literally clean her entire seating area on a plane so she takes this kinda thing very seriously

yourdeadwright

wakka12 wrote: »

No, South Korea have eliminated that possibility by testing many hundreds of thousands. The cruise ship also eliminates that possibility. The mortality rate is at least 1%. Higher if healthcare services are overwhelmed, as in Wuhan.

They didn't test everyone ,
You can not eliminate that possibility without testing every single person in a country ,

ceadaoin.

Renjit wrote: »

Virus can mutate. Currently, S and L strain. L strain is more deadly.

Except there is no evidence to validate this according to the WHO. Why do people insist on posting unsubstantiated claims?

The differences between the two identified strains are tiny. In fact, they can’t really be considered to be separate “strains”, says Jones. And many of the genetic differences won’t affect the production of proteins, and so won’t change the way the virus works, or the symptoms it causes, he says. One is not more deadly than the other.

“In all practical terms, the virus is as it was when it originally emerged,” says Jones. “There’s no evidence it is getting any worse.” The sentiment is echoed by the World Health Organization. The study by Tang and colleagues only suggests there is some genetic diversity of the virus – it doesn’t mean it is changing, a representative told New Scientis

Same with the nonsense earlier in the thread about it causing kidney damage, heart damage etc etc. There is no actual evidence for any of this. Pure fearmongering by internet experts which is pretty much all this thread is this stage.

At this stage, a separate topic should be set up where people can post all this IMO. Keep this thread for actual factual updates

wakka12

yourdeadwright wrote: »

They didn't test everyone ,
You can not eliminate that possibility without testing every single person in a country ,

Every single person on the cruise ship was tested, it was 1% death rate.
The fact that South Korea tested several hundred thousand people and came to a similar figure would just further strengthen the plausibility of it being accurate.

Mic 1972

traco wrote: »

A piece on how the numbers work

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

Perfect analysis, that's how you look at data

Some very good points raised

"With the number of cases in countries like the US, Spain, France, Iran, Germany, Japan or Switzerland, Wuhan was already in lockdown

As soon as Wuhan shuts down, cases slow down

The World Health Organization (WHO) quotes 3.4% as the fatality rate (% people who contract the coronavirus and then die). This number is out of context so let me explain it. The two ways you can calculate the fatality rate is Deaths/Total Cases and Death/Closed Cases. The first one is likely to be an underestimate, because lots of open cases can still end up in death"

Tootsie_1

First death in Ireland was as not expecting deaths quiet so soon ....

mlem123

drunkmonkey wrote: »

They said last night 5000 need to be transferred to health to work on contact tracing.

Yep, in a way I hope I am moved as the stuff I'm working on now seems so small now that this has broken out..

frillyleaf

JDD wrote: »

Question for y'all.

I saw the tweet from One Pico last night, and I have to say I feel very sorry for all the small business owners who are starting the feel the pinch and know that it is only going to get worse.

I am considering asking two of my friends if they want to go out to dinner on Friday night. I feel like I should support the restaurant business - while I still can - as it would be a terrible pity if some really good places went under.

I don't expect small businesses will get anything like the same amount of financial support from our government as that which has just been announced in the UK budget.

Am I being irresponsible by going out on Friday? We'll keep apart from one other, wash our hands, all the usual craic. And at the moment I am on my work floor with 140 other people, I can't see how going to a restaurant with two friends will make me more likely to pick something up, or pass it on to someone else.

What are your thoughts?

If you haven't been to an affected area recently /are not displaying flu like symptoms / have not come into contact with someone who is infected I don't see any reason you shouldn't socialise. I also don't see how in any way this is being irresponsible. Follow guidelines and wash your hands. Has someone close to you got compromised health or elderly?

jackboy

Just thinking, a massive impact on a large portion of our population would be the closing of fast food joints. So many Irish people live off this crap and would never even attempt cooking. I know it might sound frivolous but thousands of Irish children are dependent on his stuff for their nutrition.

robinph

wakka12 wrote: »

No, South Korea have eliminated that possibility by testing many hundreds of thousands. The cruise ship also eliminates that possibility. The mortality rate is at least 1%. Higher if healthcare services are overwhelmed, as in Wuhan.

The cruise ship skews things the other way though as it is virtually impossible to avoid catching it on board compared to people being isolated in their own homes. Their water, air, food and every service they receive is potentially contaminated and they cannot avoid it.

Also the age demographic and state of health on the cruise ship doesn't match that of the general population.

ChikiChiki

JDD wrote: »

Question for y'all.

I saw the tweet from One Pico last night, and I have to say I feel very sorry for all the small business owners who are starting the feel the pinch and know that it is only going to get worse.

I am considering asking two of my friends if they want to go out to dinner on Friday night. I feel like I should support the restaurant business - while I still can - as it would be a terrible pity if some really good places went under.

I don't expect small businesses will get anything like the same amount of financial support from our government as that which has just been announced in the UK budget.

Am I being irresponsible by going out on Friday? We'll keep apart from one other, wash our hands, all the usual craic. And at the moment I am on my work floor with 140 other people, I can't see how going to a restaurant with two friends will make me more likely to pick something up, or pass it on to someone else.

What are your thoughts?

Fair play imo. They need to be supported. The economy needs to keep ticking a small bit. Restaurants need to think outside the box now just to maintain an existence through a tough period.

They should maybe half their table numbers to put more space between people and place sanitizer on each.

Cuckoo7

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Whatever number they give out the real death rate is actually lower,


Lets say they have 2730 positive tested people and 10 die they give that percentage,
When in reality there will be many more who have it but are never tested and simple feel bad for a couple of days and get over it, So these people are never counted ,

So they death rate of 6% , 2 % or whatever is not the actually the real death rate it will always be lower

And the flu mortality rate isn’t 1%, is much lower.

Graces7

gmisk wrote: »

I am not personally a teacher but I used to work for the department of education and still know a lot of people in it.
Seems to be substance to it.

Hopefully so