Covid-XIX Part VI - 90 cases ROI (1 death) 29 in NI (as of 13 March) *Read OP*

Cilldara_2000

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

Hmmm. I didn't cop that line when I first scanned that article. I think she's overegging that pudding. The children might or might not have it. The grandparents might or might not get it. If they get it, they might or might not get a severe case of it.

Do you send your children to their grandparents?

old_aussie

tuxy wrote: »

If there is one business that the current generation of politicians both here and in the in the UK will never ever harm financially it's horse racing.

I wonder if the politicians have thought about who'll ride the horses, and run the "thriving" economy when half the citizens are dead or incapacitated.

Beasty

tobefrank321 wrote: »

The WHO are wrong. Their advice has been wrong several times. They only today declared CV as a pandemic for example.
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What makes you an expert on these matters? You are a random internet poster, no different from any of us, and are not in a position to make any such claims. People at the WHO are far more knowledgeable on such matters than any of us on Boards can ever claim to be

Cilldara_2000

Deleted User wrote: »

Do you send your children to their grandparents?

Irrelevant.

She states that "A child with no symptoms will go to visit its grandparents, and basically kill them." This is false. Even if the grandparents actually contract the disease, there is no metric that states all cases in older people are severe cases.

Naggdefy

Strazdas wrote: »

The virus itself needs a whole load of things to go in its favour in order to infect millions of people (this is not 1918). Overall numbers are still very low.....no country has seen even 1% of its population infected. The 60% figure is theoretically possible but it would be a worst case scenario and the virus would have received every lucky break going.

It's fanciful thinking. You mentioned on a post lately about soldiers returning from the front spread Spanish flu in 1918. They did but today's travel dwarfs that.

You also said the 1918 people killed malnourished people. Infact some of the fittest soldiers, and best fed from the US, suffered some of the worst death rates. It went after strong immune systems, well fed people too.

This lucky break stuff is rubbish. God knows we're giving this virus every break.

Look at the work of Dr. Niven in Manchester 1918/19 and how he got the authorities to implement a shut down. The city suffered considerably less than Liverpool or London. No one in Ireland or the UK seems capable of that today.

GM228

tobefrank321 wrote: »

The WHO are wrong. Their advice has been wrong several times. They only today declared CV as a pandemic for example

What advice from the WHO was wrong?

You don't make such a declaration lightly though, part of the reason they made the declaration today was their noted concern of inaction around the globe.

Interesting to note it's the first ever pandemic caused by a coronavirus.

Monkeynut

Steven Massive Workaholic wrote: »

Get real, people are not going to leave their kids with higher risk older people and then just see their kids through video??

People are going to stay at home with their kids whatever way they can, that's the reality.

Front line staff, Health workers, Gardai, army are all human at the end of the day.

I understand. But some may do what I said. Also I'm not sure if its been proved that the elderly are more high risk of getting the virus. So if they keep in. I don't see if they are more at risk than younger people. Obviously with the virus they are at higher risk of further complications.

And yes they are human. But some humans will try their hardest even with families to help others in need. Sure they could leave them with their older siblings their partners etc.

Cilldara_2000

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

Irrelevant.

I'll take that as a yes.

namloc1980

Not gonna lie, these stories coming directly from front line staff in Italy have shaken me. It's not good, not good at all. Why we're not implementing social distancing here is beyond me at this point. We can't wish it away.

Cilldara_2000

Deleted User wrote: »

I'll take that as a yes.

You can if you want but I didn't say that. Maybe I have children, maybe I'm the grandparent. Maybe I have no parents alive. Maybe I don't have any children.

Naggdefy

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

G'way outta that. Why should she be publicly pontificating on something she knows nothing about? Jurgen Klopp approach would be appropriate for her.

She knows nothing about climate change but that doesn't stop her pontificating. A 16 year old school girl. Not a climatologist.

LuckyLloyd

normanoffside wrote: »

It poses very little danger to young people.

Hmm, 20 year olds in Italy needing CPAP and suffering severe pneumonia

MarkY91

wakka12 wrote: »

This virus settles in such random places. Scandinavia would have been the last place in Europe I would have expected a major epidemic

Why on Earth would you think that?

Moomoomacshoe

Scotty # wrote: »

It's not as easy to contract as you're imagining. If they avoid close human contact and follow hygiene guidelines, there's no reason for them to become infected.

Yes but to remember it is HIGHLY contagious. Please please please everyone look at the research, absolutely everyone is in agreement with just how contagious and easily spread this virus is.
Not intended to panic. Just to reiterate the only way to avoid it is complete isolation you can be near someone, and get it without physical contact. It remains on surfaces, they're now recommending 3m distancing. Not to panic but just to avoid complacency.

deathbomber

i do believe social distancing is the answer i.e. working from home, walking/cycling instead of getting public transport (where possible). No doubt it will be tough but not as tough as a large amount of people getting infected, it will also slow the virus down. It looks like it is the quickest way out of this mess too.
we are all in the same boat, stay strong:)

fr336

hotmail.com wrote: »

But do not under estimate the amount of people that don't give a toss about this. They don't care about most things for that matter. This isn't going to change their minds.

"They don't care aout most things for that matter". Yes that just about sums it up doesn't it. Something is very wrong with our society.

Larbre34

namloc1980 wrote: »

Not gonna lie, these stories coming directly from front line staff in Italy have shaken me. It's not good, not good at all. Why we're not implementing social distancing here is beyond me at this point. We can't wish it away.

While I acknowledge that the Italians are dreadful observers of queues and orderly anything, the TV footage seems to show observance. However the breathtaking jump in cases in Italy suggest other behaviour pertains.

Likewise with us Irish, we're got great ones for accepting instruction, not in any violent way, but just a bit more wink and nod. You only have to look at the disrespect on here and on twitter for the public health specialists who have spent 20 or 30 years working the science of these things, while Joe Soap would rather listen to what his Auntie Mary said.

My point is, if you believe social distancing will help yourself or your loved ones, only you can make it happen.

paleoperson

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

G'way outta that. Why should she be publicly pontificating on something she knows nothing about? Jurgen Klopp approach would be appropriate for her.

So why is she pontificating on climate change then?

Beasty

paleoperson wrote: »

So why is she pontificating on climate change then?

Congratulations, this is the 50,000th post across the 6 threads to date

As a prize you get to name the next one. There is a limit of 84 characters, and you must include "Coronavirus" or "CoVid-19" plus "Part VII" and the accumulated figures for both the ROI and NI. Beyond that you have a free reign, subject only to the approval of forum mods

RandomViewer

The Bank holiday weekend will increase the spread, a huge number of workplaces are closed Friday to Wednesday, Exodus from Dublin starts Friday

darjeeling

sonofenoch wrote: »

Watching 60 mins docu on wet markets, they mentioned a mammal called the pangolin as the probably source ....could be bats or anything else who really knows or does it matter , but these markets are rife all over asia not just China but experts predict multiple variations of virus are just a step away

It's a bat virus that might have crossed into another species before crossing into humans.

The closest published virus sequence comes from a species of horseshoe bat from south-west China. That genome (published by the bat coronavirus research group at the Wuhan Institute of Virology) is 96% identical to the SARS-CoV-2 genome.

Still, it doesn't really matter right now where it came from or how it got into Wuhan, it's here now.

Cilldara_2000

Beasty wrote: »

Congratulations, this is the 50,000th post across the 6 threads to date

As a prize you get to name the next one. There is a limit of 84 characters, and you must include "Coronavirus" or "CoVid-19" plus "Part VII" and the accumulated figures for both the ROI and NI. Beyond that you have a free reign, subject only to the approval of forum mods

That is very disappointing (considering the quality of the post).

Cilldara_2000

paleoperson wrote: »

So why is she pontificating on climate change then?

Take it up with her, not me.

Cilldara_2000

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

You can if you want but I didn't say that. Maybe I have children, maybe I'm the grandparent. Maybe I have no parents alive. Maybe I don't have any children.

Many people have that arrangement and both parties are happy with it. But i think with this new virus people should think twice before sending their children to their elderly parents, particularly if their symptoms are of a respiratory infection.

Doctor Jimbob

Larbre34 wrote: »

While I acknowledge that the Italians are dreadful observers of queues and orderly anything, the TV footage seems to show observance. However the breathtaking jump in cases in Italy suggest other behaviour pertains.

Likewise with us Irish, we're got great ones for accepting instruction, not in any violent way, but just a bit more wink and nod. You only have to look at the disrespect on here and on twitter for the public health specialists who have spent 20 or 30 years working the science of these things, while Joe Soap would rather listen to what his Auntie Mary said.

My point is, if you believe social distancing will help yourself or your loved ones, only you can make it happen.

I'd say that's why we've been hearing strong language about the number of potential cases over the last few days. Far easier to impose harsh restrictions if people are assuming the worst.

Cheerful Spring2

GM228 wrote: »

What advice from the WHO was wrong?

You don't make such a declaration lightly though, part of the reason they made the declaration today was their noted concern of inaction around the globe.

Interesting to note it's the first ever pandemic caused by a coronavirus.

On Feb 29th. WHO said this week ago.
WHO continues to advise against the application of travel or trade restrictions to countries experiencing COVID-19 outbreaks.

In general, evidence shows that restricting the movement of people and goods during public health emergencies is ineffective in most situations and may divert resources from other interventions
https://www.who.int/news-room/articles-detail/updated-who-recommendations-for-international-traffic-in-relation-to-covid-19-outbreak

Personal opinion right now this looks like bad advice. In time we know for sure.

paleoperson

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Hmm, 20 year olds in Italy needing CPAP and suffering severe pneumonia

Many people in their 30s without conditions killed stone cold dead. It's not as bad to the young by half, you'll likely be ok afterwards, but the idea this isn't something nasty that you don't want to get is ridiculous.

Look at what it does to lungs:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8101383/Shocking-X-ray-images-coronavirus-does-victims-lungs.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline

There's also no dichotomy between "died" or "recovered", many people recover with horrible, irreversible lung damage making breathing difficult for the rest of their lives. Viruses can cause encephalitis (inflammation of the brain) that cause irreversible brain damage and leave people never right again.

This could be a nasty thing for anyone to get, and up to 70% of people may end up getting it. The idea that you're "healthy as a horse, come at me virus" is idiocy in the extreme.

Cilldara_2000

Deleted User wrote: »

Many people have that arrangement and both parties are happy with it. But i think with this new virus people should think twice before sending their children to their elderly parents, particularly if their symptoms are of a respiratory infection.

If there are any symptoms, they really shouldn't send them anywhere but otherwise I don't disagree. Still doesn't change the fact that not all grandparents will die if grandchildren come within ten feet of them.

fritzelly

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

That is very disappointing (considering the quality of the post).

They've got a whole 6 characters to play with

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

tobefrank321 wrote: »

The WHO are wrong. Their advice has been wrong several times. They only today declared CV as a pandemic for example.

Flights still continue to fly into Dublin airport from Northern Italy even today. No-one on those flights will be traced by the HSE, left free to return to their communities and potentially spread cv. The HSE still don't advise isolation after returning from a red zone.

Most successful countries closed schools early. We didn't.

So the WHO's plaudits are to be taken with a mountain of salt.

Our delays have been disastrous. My criticisms of the HSE are valid and most people think the same.

The following is one of the most thanked posts on this thread so I’m not sure you can make that claim.

cherryghost wrote: »

Maybe in a minority here, but I feel the Government responses and HSE effort have been commendable. We were the first country to announce a big investment in the problem. Traces have been fully mapped out and they have easily managed to find connections. Finding connections is a very easy way to prevent further spreading.

More cases will happen but I'm satisfied with the level of response the bodies have enacted upon.

And of course a big shoutout to the people out the fronts of it all. Doing a great job imo.

This is a novel virus so the health organisations are going to get some things wrong. It’s an ever-changing situation for which there is still a paucity of information.