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Trump Bans USA - Europe Travel from Friday for 30 Days.

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    #32
    dfx-
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,673 Mod ✭✭✭✭dfx-


    The obvious criticism here would be EI having all their focus and eggs in one transatlantic basket, but then again, everyone is struggling in all directions.


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    #33
    Storm 10
    Registered Users Posts: 5,915 ✭✭✭Storm 10


    Be interesting to look at flight radar tomorrow, it will be a pretty bare picture.


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    #34
    cson
    Registered Users Posts: 14,454 ✭✭✭✭cson


    11.59pm EST Friday, so the Friday wave will get off.

    Saturday will be bleak though.


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    #35
    Tenger
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,841 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Heard anecdotally that the half empty EI flights for tomorrow are rapidly becoming full. It appears that US pax are changing their flights upon hearing this announcement.


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    #36
    kevinandrew
    Registered Users Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭kevinandrew


    dfx- wrote: »
    The obvious criticism here would be EI having all their focus and eggs in one transatlantic basket, but then again, everyone is struggling in all directions.
    Definitely. The whole idea of diversifying the network to protect the airline against situations like this is a bit of myth anyway.

    Anything big enough to impact the US would no doubt see other markets fall first for the likes of Aer Lingus.


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    #37
    Noxegon
    Registered Users Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭Noxegon


    The problem in these situations is that governments act too late. A ban on travel from Europe to the Americas could have had real public health benefits, but the time to do it was in 1492.

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    #38
    L1011
    Registered Users Posts: 68,686 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    dfx- wrote: »
    The obvious criticism here would be EI having all their focus and eggs in one transatlantic basket, but then again, everyone is struggling in all directions.

    The diversification people usually clamoured for on here was to the Asian countries that are already locked down, remember


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    #39
    galwaytt
    Registered Users Posts: 12,776 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Tenger wrote: »
    Heard anecdotally that the half empty EI flights for tomorrow are rapidly becoming full. It appears that US pax are changing their flights upon hearing this announcement.

    Did you hear the lady on Joe Duffy yesterday, and how some of her 'friends' thought the borders were being closed, and spent €6,000 to fly home yesterday ?

    And they were US citizens, who aren't even affected............... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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    #40
    Peregrinus
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    galwaytt wrote: »
    Did you hear the lady on Joe Duffy yesterday, and how some of her 'friends' thought the borders were being closed, and spent €6,000 to fly home yesterday ?

    And they were US citizens, who aren't even affected............... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
    There are many stories like this. Trump made a complete hames of announcing the measures and, although corrections were issued very soon afterwards, once a false story has been set going, particularly by somebody with a media profile like Trump's it is extremely difficult to recall it.


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    #41
    bk
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    Peregrinus wrote: »
    There are many stories like this. Trump made a complete hames of announcing the measures and, although corrections were issued very soon afterwards, once a false story has been set going, particularly by somebody with a media profile like Trump's it is extremely difficult to recall it.

    It is a very good example of why very clear and carefully prepared and thought out messaging is needed for important decisions like this.

    Unfortunately Trump is clearly a toddler who basically is just blurting out whatever comes to into his head and is largely doing this for panicked political reasons.


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    #42
    Tenger
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    galwaytt wrote: »
    Did you hear the lady on Joe Duffy yesterday, and how some of her 'friends' thought the borders were being closed, and spent €6,000 to fly home yesterday ?

    And they were US citizens, who aren't even affected............... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
    No. Don’t listen to radio (just never got into the habit)
    I’ve got mates in EI and the missus is crew. But the mates corroborate this, the flights today were filling up with ppl rebooking to leave Europ earlier.


    The Oval Office announcement was spectacularly bad.
    DHS had to make 2 corrections within 30 mins, and Trump made one himself via tweet. I’m wondering did he go off script, or is he just unable to follow a teleprompter?


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    #43
    Van.Bosch
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    Tenger wrote: »
    No. Don’t listen to radio (just never got into the habit)
    I’ve got mates in EI and the missus is crew. But the mates corroborate this, the flights today were filling up with ppl rebooking to leave Europ earlier.


    The Oval Office announcement was spectacularly bad.
    DHS had to make 2 corrections within 30 mins, and Trump made one himself via tweet. I’m wondering did he go off script, or is he just unable to follow a teleprompter?

    I suspect he listened to a briefing, thought he understood it, went on TV winging it and had to be told after the difference between Europe and the Schengen region.


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    #44
    Coil Kilcrea
    Registered Users Posts: 215 ✭✭Coil Kilcrea


    On the contrary, this man doesn't listen to anybody because he knows more than you will ever know and you cannot even imagine the stuff he knows because nobody knows except him. He's the man who said that it's okay to go to work with the virus.....:eek:


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    #45
    scoobydude
    Closed Accounts Posts: 78 ✭✭scoobydude


    So if these flights are canceled, do the airlines still fly the route to keep the slot, or are the skies emptier as a result of this? I'd heard they need to use the slot to keep it, but it could be just hearsay.

    As a followup, how much less fuel would an empty plane (apart from crew) use in comparison to a fully loaded one?


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    #46
    Coil Kilcrea
    Registered Users Posts: 215 ✭✭Coil Kilcrea


    Airlines need to fly slots to keep them in a 'use them, or lose them' philosophy designed to stop anti-competitive practices where airlines would hold slots at airports that are very valuable. EI's slots at LHR are conservatively valued a 1.5 Billion.

    The EU has now suspended the need to fly slots empty.


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    #47
    trellheim
    Registered Users Posts: 5,915 ✭✭✭trellheim


    EI's slots at LHR are conservatively valued a 1.5 Billion.
    aren't a bunch of them rented out ?


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    #48
    Irish Steve
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,522 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    Sky news reporting that UK and Ireland are to be added to the ban, no information yet about when that will come into force

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



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    #49
    Credit Checker Moose
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭Credit Checker Moose


    Irish Steve wrote: »
    Sky news reporting that UK and Ireland are to be added to the ban, no information yet about when that will come into force
    Effective Monday night.


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    #50
    Coil Kilcrea
    Registered Users Posts: 215 ✭✭Coil Kilcrea


    Irish Steve wrote: »
    Sky news reporting that UK and Ireland are to be added to the ban, no information yet about when that will come into force

    Monday, according to CNN, but with this moron, who knows? Everything he mutters and mangles has to be walked back, interpreted and dots joined.


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    #51
    zell12
    Registered Users Posts: 24,860 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Confirmed
    BBC - US to extend coronavirus travel ban to UK and Ireland from Monday

    Mike Pence has announced all travel to the UK and Ireland will be suspended from midnight Monday EST.


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    #52
    bilbot79
    Registered Users Posts: 2,006 ✭✭✭bilbot79


    I guess this doesn't impact Irish already in the US and needing to come home


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    #53
    Beersmith
    Registered Users Posts: 1,407 ✭✭✭Beersmith


    bilbot79 wrote: »
    I guess this doesn't impact Irish already in the US and needing to come home

    it does


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    #54
    Nijmegen
    Registered Users Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    bilbot79 wrote: »
    I guess this doesn't impact Irish already in the US and needing to come home

    They will be allowed to come home but finding a seat on one of the rapidly dwindling numbers of flights will be fun.

    Incidentally, the "screening" is more likely to spread the virus than catch it...

    https://twitter.com/breakingavnews/status/1239102590719332354?s=19


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    #55
    Coil Kilcrea
    Registered Users Posts: 215 ✭✭Coil Kilcrea


    Returning home will be a nightmare and expensive. That said, I would much rather be here than over there because holy hell will break out when they realise the scale of this virus.


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    #56
    cuterob
    Registered Users Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭cuterob


    I have a flight booked to ewr for next saturday with united, obviously not going now but just wondering will United cancel that flight? or will it fly anyway for US citizens? will i be allowed to get a refund because I am not allowed on the flight? it is kind of a grey area unfortunately

    If it comes to it I dont mind if I have to change the flight for free but would prefer to get a refund so can have some time to reschedule


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    #57
    podgeandrodge
    Registered Users Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    I see there are non cargo flights like MAD - JFK in the air right now, are these not banned right now?

    edit : apologies, not aer lingus related (American Airlines) but anyway..


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    #58
    [Deleted User]
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    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    I see there are non cargo flights like MAD - JFK in the air right now, are these not banned right now?

    edit : apologies, not aer lingus related (American Airlines) but anyway..

    Flights can still fly but they cannot take passengers that are from listed European countries. They also must only fly to certain reception cities in the US. Aer Lingus could fly for the next 30 days if they wanted but they would be flying pretty empty aircraft.


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    #59
    WHL
    Registered Users Posts: 535 ✭✭✭WHL


    What about the air crew. I presume they won’t be allowed off unless they are US citizens


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    #60
    d51984
    Registered Users Posts: 932 ✭✭✭d51984


    Theres exceptions been made for air crews AFAIK.

    Its a disgrace Joe!



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    #61
    jamescd
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    I have a flight for me and my family to New York on the 2nd week of April with Aer Lingus. Now that Ireland is banned, does that mean flights will be cancelled and I will be refunded? Haven't heard anything from them.


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