Picard 1x08 - "Broken Pieces" [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

Burty330

Who wrote that episode?! I think they've been pillaging ideas from Mass Effect , particularly when Sheppard touched the Prothean beacon which then electrocuted visions into his mindframe. The zhad bash scene was pretty much the same.

Will the threat in Picard turn out to be similar to that of the Reapers? hmm.. If only the writing was half as good as it was in ME , maybe then would the show be good.

somuj

Borg can be dead for years and still be reactivated/repaired by their nanprobes. Star trek Enterprise and the episode of Voyager with the damaged cube.

Optimus Prime

Sure they where walking on the hull of the enterprise in Star Trek first contact. There is whole fight on the outside of the ship.

Johnny Storm

My favorite episode so far

AMKC

Myself I thought it stupid why a Borg Cube would have airlocks at every or any drones cubicle. I also thought Seven was stupid not to lock out all controls to the Cube from anywhere else before re-awaking the drones. We seen in Voyager that if one Borg drone goes awol the Queen just destroys the whole Cube.

TheValeyard

I liked it. Good episode.


But....


1) in First Contact. The Drones didn't need oxygen, they were happy assimilating the deflector dish without it.

2) seems like they are stealing plot lines from Mass Effect and Battlestar Galactica. Some sort of Reaper species living on the galactic rim or something.

3) No more JL please.

4) Starfleet are not going to blow up a whole ship because a Captain won't murder two Androids.

Cookie_Monster

They blew the borg into space to render them useless so the ships could mop then up, rather than to kill them via no oxygen

TheValeyard

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

They blew the borg into space to render them useless so the ships could mop then up, rather than to kill them via no oxygen

Borg bounces off the Hull of a ship. Ooooohhh assimilation time!!

The Megaphone

Again with the ‘hubris’ - i actually never heard this word until The Force Awakens and now it seems to be the plot point for everything!

Can’t anyone just say we were over confident!

AtomicHorror

Good episode- I liked the gradual reassembly of the broken crew around the mess table. Also an attempt to humanise (Romulanise?) Space Cersei... nice try, but no. She's a very one-dimensional baddie, and the only really weak part of the show for me.

The Megaphone wrote: »

Again with the ‘hubris’ - i actually never heard this word until The Force Awakens and now it seems to be the plot point for everything!

Can’t anyone just say we were over confident!

Star Trek has done so so many episodes about hubris.

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

They blew the borg into space to render them useless so the ships could mop then up, rather than to kill them via no oxygen

I figured the drones were just vulnerable after being inert for so many years, and also that it doesn't really matter if they're alive or dead once you've spaced them. Your version works too!

We also don't know the technological or biological basis of drone's not needing oxygen. Can every drone do it, all the time? Is it indefinite, or time limited?

Maybe Seven should have just started beaming them back in, but she wasn't able to prevent the Romulans opening the cube up, so I guess many of its functions were locked out.

AllForIt

I thought that episode was rather good. Apart from the leprechaun Irish accent. I just felt more engaged with the narrative more so than previously.

Gbear

TheValeyard wrote: »

2) seems like they are stealing plot lines from Mass Effect and Battlestar Galactica. Some sort of Reaper species living on the galactic rim or something.

I've never been under the impression that anything in Mass Effect is particularly original and assumed they nicked the whole Reapers thing from somewhere else, not least from the Borg.

At any rate, that series is probably dead, so I've no problem seeing bits of it nicked for use elsewhere.

I don't think you could say that yer man's Oirish accent was good, but I think he does a pretty good job of playing 6 different nationalities and not totally butchering any of them. Like it was bad, but it wasn't Richard Gere in The Jackal bad.

Enjoyed that episode. I feel like things are building nicely. There's some awful ****e on TV, so I'm always willing to forgive the odd foible, like Rios's ridiculuosly convenient backstory, when you have something that's well acted, well cast, well produced and generally is heading in the right direction.

7 plugging in and then out again of the Cube was a little bit of a blue-ball move. I can only assume she's going to turn up in the finale with this now fully armed and operational battle station, and the Fenris Rangers, which sounds like a mashup of Power Rangers and Warhammer 40k, via a folk/bluegrass quartet.

silverharp

I cant take Cersei Romulan seriously , she is like something out of an episode of Buck Rogers circa 1980 but at least the brother didn't feature so thankful for that. Overall its just too pedestrian to be a series long arc. There is no gripping story, its just scene after scene after scene

i thought that was a great ep back in business again
cersei romulan is a bit unlikeable all right
we've moved on from JL to honey, i suppose it's a bit more palatable
still convinced it's a yorkshire not an irish accent :pac:

bluewolf

bluewolf wrote: »

i thought that was a great ep back in business again
cersei romulan is a bit unlikeable all right
we've moved on from JL to honey, i suppose it's a bit more palatable
still convinced it's a yorkshire not an irish accent :pac:

No definitely an Irish accent but designed by someone who hasn't been here.

pixelburp

The Scottish accent ain't any better, very Groundskeeper Willy by all accounts. I'm happy to give the guy a pass, the actor's Uruguayan, don't expect miracles with English language variants. The holograms themselves have been a bit of fun for me, pretty harmless.

pixelburp

pixelburp wrote: »

The Scottish accent ain't any better, very Groundskeeper Willy by all accounts. I'm happy to give the guy a pass, the actor's Uruguayan, don't expect miracles with English language variants. The holograms themselves have been a bit of fun for me, pretty harmless.

I think its actually something different.

One of the worst Irish accents I've heard was Maria Doyle Kennedy in Dexter. I've met her in real life and she talks normally. She was also in Downton Abby, and her accent was natural sounding.

I think the director had the actor over act the Irish and Scottish accents, because it may not be clear to American viewers what the accents are. But, if that is the case, why bother?

Evade

I think the holograms are supposed to be shallow stereotypes, bad accents and all.

AllForIt

Gbear wrote: »

I don't think you could say that yer man's Oirish accent was good, but I think he does a pretty good job of playing 6 different nationalities and not totally butchering any of them. Like it was bad, but it wasn't Richard Gere in The Jackal bad.

My problem with him is I don't think he's a good actor at all. Whenever he's live I pay more attention to his acting that to what he's saying. I don't know what it is about him, maybe it the way the camera pans around him all the time or what, but I just don't find his performance convincing. Maybe it due to the fact he play's so many characters at the same time and that's difficult to do.

I know from this forum many ppl disliked Voyager but he certainly is no Robert Picardo (The Doctor) in terms of acting ability.

AllForIt

Evade wrote: »

I think the holograms are supposed to be shallow stereotypes, bad accents and all.

Didn't Rafi kiss (on the forehead) one of the hollow hollograms. That didn't seem quite right.

Evade

AllForIt wrote: »

Didn't Rafi kiss (on the forehead) one of the hollow hollograms. That didn't seem quite right.

In what way?

Gbear

AllForIt wrote: »

Didn't Rafi kiss (on the forehead) one of the hollow hollograms. That didn't seem quite right.

They're not just light. Otherwise, how could you have the EMH?

They use localised forcefields so that they're effectively physical entities.

Bobtheman

I think the holograms are just for comic effect.
Just like the EMH on Voyager was partly.
I still think Stewart was too old for this but I'm enjoying it.
The Borg/ seven of nine dimension is interesting.
I suppose Data will somehow turn up ?

pixelburp

I'd honestly be very surprised if Brent Spiner doesn't pop up in the finale; it feels like whatever's on the planet they're heading to, there's "a surprise" waiting. Spiner's cameo was very fleeting, almost too fleeting - and the old "appear in the pilot, appear in the finale" is a classic move of the Famous / Special Guest Star.

TheValeyard

Data will probably appear be older to 'reflect the time he was gone'
or something. Q will also appear is say.

Cookie_Monster

So whats the deal with E*Hs then, they are synthetic life just as much as andriods, why are they ok to still be around?

Cookie_Monster

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

So whats the deal with E*Hs then, they are synthetic life just as much as andriods, why are they ok to still be around?

I think the rationale is that holograms aren't synthetic life. They are programmed with specific abilities and when no longer needed their program is stopped.

Unlike an android they can't:
-Leave the confines of the ship
-Arent continually learning new skills
-Escape the confines of their skill, so the EMH can't upskill and become the ENT too.

This is echoed in First Contact when Beverly Crusher asks the EMH to help distract the borg while they escaped and he was only able to offer them medical advice - not fire a phaser at them or anything.

Stark

It's a bit clearer in the novel. The synthetics were created specially to help them ramp up fleet production on Mars to a rate that would allow them to build enough ships in time to complete the Romulan evacuation. They were supposed to be non-sentient unlike Commander Data. When they rebelled, no-one could figure out the reason why so they banned all future synthetic production. The EMHs on the other hand were a known entity, never any issues with them going rogue and killing everyone with no explanation.

Cookie_Monster

Stark wrote: »

It's a bit clearer in the novel. The synthetics were created specially to help them ramp up fleet production on Mars to a rate that would allow them to build enough ships in time to complete the Romulan evacuation. They were supposed to be non-sentient unlike Commander Data. When they rebelled, no-one could figure out the reason why so they banned all future synthetic production. The EMHs on the other hand were a known entity, never any issues with them going rogue and killing everyone with no explanation.

so why not just use hologram then, like they did with the obsolete EHM mk1 to mine dilithium?
You can't tell me the mobile emitter hadn't been fully reverse engineered by then either to allow them to be fully autonomous...

Evade

Deleted User wrote: »

I think the rationale is that holograms aren't synthetic life. They are programmed with specific abilities and when no longer needed their program is stopped.

Unlike an android they can't:
-Leave the confines of the ship
-Arent continually learning new skills
-Escape the confines of their skill, so the EMH can't upskill and become the ENT too.

This is echoed in First Contact when Beverly Crusher asks the EMH to help distract the borg while they escaped and he was only able to offer them medical advice - not fire a phaser at them or anything.

Voyager's EMH kind of pokes a few holes in that logic, even before he had the mobile emitter.