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c68zapdsm5i1ru

In general proper hand washing is as good as using a hand sanitiser. However for people such as my mother who is in her eighties and suffering from cancer hand sanitisers can be vital. She needs to have one in her hall so that visitors make sure they don't carry in any infection.

We cannot get hold of any, but ut my local chemist told me that when they got a stock in recently people were grabbing handfuls and they were sold out in minutes.

Can I just appeal to people to be aware that if, as a healthy low risk family, they are depleting shops of hand sanitisers, many of which will remain in cupboards unused, they are depriving ill and vulnerable people and their families of a simple way of keeping a loved one safe.

Please, if stocks are replenished, don't hog them and stock pile.. Leave enough to keep ill and vulnerable n people safe.

McCrack

Presume if you check donedeal or whatever you will get it

colm_mcm

A lot of workplaces are buying them in bulk.

iamwhoiam

I am sorry you can’t get any , could you make your own and put it in a dispenser ?


Rubbing alcohol
Aloe vera gel
Tee tree oil

Skill Magill

Is rubbing alcohol freely available?

Put some bleach in the dispenser. That'll teach people to stop calling around until the hand sanitisers are back in stock.

iamwhoiam

Skill Magill wrote: »

Is rubbing alcohol freely available?

Its called surgical spirits here and easily bought over the counter

JustAThought

somewhat hilariously I checked where the hand sanatiser I bought my folks was made...CHINA!! You couldn’t make it up!!’!

Fleetwoodmac

BellaBella wrote: »

In general proper hand washing is as good as using a hand sanitiser. However for people such as my mother who is in her eighties and suffering from cancer hand sanitisers can be vital. She needs to have one in her hall so that visitors make sure they don't carry in any infection.

We cannot get hold of any, but ut my local chemist told me that when they got a stock in recently people were grabbing handfuls and they were sold out in minutes.

Can I just appeal to people to be aware that if, as a healthy low risk family, they are depleting shops of hand sanitisers, many of which will remain in cupboards unused, they are depriving ill and vulnerable people and their families of a simple way of keeping a loved one safe.

Please, if stocks are replenished, don't hog them and stock pile.. Leave enough to keep ill and vulnerable n people safe.

Agreed.. but the onus should also be on pharmacies, such as my own local chemist who kept the stock for customers in your Mums position.

Fleetwoodmac

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Its called surgical spirits here and easily bought over the counter

Smell is potent though so add essential oil to mask it

Princess Calla

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I am sorry you can’t get any , could you make your own and put it in a dispenser ?


Rubbing alcohol
Aloe vera gel
Tee tree oil

I've heard aloe Vera also out of stock from making their own.

I remember years ago pharmacists were able to make up their own concoctions of creams etc. I think health and safety put a stop to that. It would be a lil earner for them if they could make and sell batches.... ill wind n all that.

Op could you appeal to your local hospital or hospice where your mum is attending?

Toffeeboy

Aldi in limerick had it today. Two per customer. 79c

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BellaBella wrote: »

In general proper hand washing is as good as using a hand sanitiser. However for people such as my mother who is in her eighties and suffering from cancer hand sanitisers can be vital. She needs to have one in her hall so that visitors make sure they don't carry in any infection.

We cannot get hold of any, but ut my local chemist told me that when they got a stock in recently people were grabbing handfuls and they were sold out in minutes.

Can I just appeal to people to be aware that if, as a healthy low risk family, they are depleting shops of hand sanitisers, many of which will remain in cupboards unused, they are depriving ill and vulnerable people and their families of a simple way of keeping a loved one safe.

Please, if stocks are replenished, don't hog them and stock pile.. Leave enough to keep ill and vulnerable n people safe.

Same here, family member going through Chemo. None to be got locally and tried Boots online out of stock too.

El_Duderino 09

Hand washing is just as good and always available. Your mam just needs to direct guests to the sink to wash their hands with soap when they enter the house just as she would have directed them to use hand gel.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Yes I'm going to say to her that for the moment she just needs to direct people into the cloakroom and explain her doctor has told her to make sure visitors wash their hands thoroughly when calling in.

Buying online is not an option. As usual unscrupulous and greedy people are cashing in on other peoples problems.

Sleeper12

JustAThought wrote:

somewhat hilariously I checked where the hand sanatiser I bought my folks was made...CHINA!! You couldn’t make it up!!’!

It's totally useless unless it has a high alcohol content. I think 65 percent or higher. Most of the ones from China are cheap knock offs with little alcohol content

Absolute imbeciles. Though most of the population have well proven by now that they are.

Sleeper12

El_Duderino 09 wrote:

Hand washing is just as good and always available. Your mam just needs to direct guests to the sink to wash their hands with soap when they enter the house just as she would have directed them to use hand gel.

Proper hand washing is far better than hand sanatiser according to HSE

Princess Calla

BellaBella wrote: »

Yes I'm going to say to her that for the moment she just needs to direct people into the cloakroom and explain her doctor has told her to make sure visitors wash their hands thoroughly when calling in.

Buying online is not an option. As usual unscrupulous and greedy people are cashing in on other peoples problems.

Have a separate towel for visitors too

Wibbs

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Absolute imbeciles. Though most of the population have well proven by now that they are.

I wouldn't say most, but I'd reckon about a third are total morons, another third have their moron moments and a third are fairly well clued in.

MarkY91

Where can I hey this rubbing alcohol guys? I'd like to get some tomorrow along with aloe Vera to make my own.

iamwhoiam

MarkY91 wrote: »

Where can I hey this rubbing alcohol guys? I'd like to get some tomorrow along with aloe Vera to make my own.

You can buy surgical spirits in any chemist

Rufeo

Soap anyone?

iamwhoiam

iamwhoiam wrote: »

You can buy surgical spirits in any chemist

Wait til the hordes cop on to that one.

Princess Calla

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Wait til the hordes cop on to that one.

I've heard chemists are out of stock of that too

iamwhoiam

Princess Calla wrote: »

I've heard chemists are out of stock of that too

I got some today no problems

peasant

Princess Calla wrote: »

I've heard chemists are out of stock of that too

and then there's always methylated spirits in your local DIY shop (just don't confuse it with white spirits)

biko

3,802 people forgot to wash their hands
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

IAMAMORON

I think if you are melodramatic and convinced that this is some sort of global Armageddon then you will find that it is virtually impossible to get your hands on any sanitizer at all. Start blaming someone else now, or at least victimise a state body or blame someone for giving you poor advice.

However if you are using lemon juice, or vinegar or indeed diluted terpentine or paint stripper and you don't believe the world is going to end you should be fine. Alternatively you could just wash your hands with soap and warm water regularly.

I remember reading before that viruses are more attracted to panic (

that's a lie sorry, I couldn't help myself there, apols etc

).

Braids

Any soap fine - nurses in local hospital told me "wash your hands for 30 seconds (eg sing Happy Birthday twice through should do it)".
Also if you have any Dettol in the house, mix a capful with 1 litre of water (clean out an old spray bottle). This works as good as any
disinfectant.

If it comes into the house, be sure to clean the door handles leading to bedroom doors, bathroom etc with this, then throw away the tissue etc in a lined bin. Be sure to tie the liner before putting it into the black bin.

izzyflusky

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Proper hand washing is far better than hand sanatiser according to HSE

HSE is way behind as usual. New guidelines (outside of Ireland) recommend alcohol sanitisers as people tend to be more compliant with it, it's quicker and there are less steps involved that may contribute to contamination (touching sink, drying hands properly, etc). The exception is after going to the toilet, alcohol is not enough then.


Also, the gel people need to buy must be at least 70% alcohol and a lot of them found in the shops are not concentrated enough.

Fleetwoodmac

MarkY91 wrote: »

Where can I hey this rubbing alcohol guys? I'd like to get some tomorrow along with aloe Vera to make my own.

Pharmacies.. called with rubbing alcohol or surgical spirits.. comes usually in small bottles though. I'd imagine it's easy to get online. My local phamarcy orders in bigger bottles for me. I've used it for years for cleaning.
Google thieves oil diy recipe also... an old recipe used during the black plaque... v easy to make.

Sleeper12

izzyflusky wrote: »

HSE is way behind as usual. New guidelines (outside of Ireland) recommend alcohol sanitisers as people tend to be more compliant with it, it's quicker and there are less steps involved that may contribute to contamination (touching sink, drying hands properly, etc). The exception is after going to the toilet, alcohol is not enough then.


Also, the gel people need to buy must be at least 70% alcohol and a lot of them found in the shops are not concentrated enough.

W.H.O. disagrees with you though. 20 or 30 second hand wash with warm water & soap is always far better than hand sanitizer. Hand sanitizer is only for when you don't have access to soap & water

Clean hands protect against infection

Protect yourself

• Clean your hands regularly.
• Wash your hands with soap and water, and dry them thoroughly.
• Use alcohol-based handrub if you don’t have immediate access to soap and water.

https://www.who.int/gpsc/clean_hands_protection/en/

The Hound Gone Wild

Princess Calla wrote: »

I've heard aloe Vera also out of stock from making their own.

I remember years ago pharmacists were able to make up their own concoctions of creams etc. I think health and safety put a stop to that. It would be a lil earner for them if they could make and sell batches.... ill wind n all that.

Op could you appeal to your local hospital or hospice where your mum is attending?

Nonsense, we can still compound. I've had to do it for a local GP. I haven't been able to get any hand sanitizer for them so I've had to go right back to basics and compounded a carboxymethylcellulose and isopropanol hand gel.

izzyflusky

Sleeper12 wrote: »

W.H.O. disagrees with you though. 20 or 30 second hand wash with warm water & soap is always far better than hand sanitizer. Hand sanitizer is only for when you don't have access to soap & water





https://www.who.int/gpsc/clean_hands_protection/en/

I'm currently on leave and don't have access to the research but I teach infection control as part of my job and the latest is a tendency to lean more towards alcohol hand rubs, mostly because of better adherence to its use and people tend to use a better technique compared to soap and water. It is also what we as trainers are being advised to teach.

Mind you, hands still need to be visibly clean and as I mentioned before, soap and water is a MUST after going to the toilet.

Sleeper12

izzyflusky wrote:

I'm currently on leave and don't have access to the research but I teach infection control as part of my job and the latest is a tendency to lean more towards alcohol hand rubs, mostly because of better adherence to its use and people tend to use a better technique compared to soap and water. It is also what we as trainers are being advised to teach.

But just to be clear despite what you have been told to teach, the very latest advice inside & outside of ireland is that 30 seconds washing hands with soap and warm water (doesn't even have to be anti bacteria soap) is better than hand sanitizer. The official advice from WHO is soap and water every 2 hours & if you can't get to soap and water then hand sanitizer will do until you get to soap and water. This has been WHOs officiall advice for several years now. Long before this virus.

People believing that hand sanitizer is better than water is the very reason that there is a shortage. People are using hand sanitizer instead of water and soap and that's not a good thing. Hand sanitizer is not as effective as 30 seconds in warm water and regular soap

_Brian

Princess Calla wrote: »

I've heard aloe Vera also out of stock from making their own.

I remember years ago pharmacists were able to make up their own concoctions of creams etc. I think health and safety put a stop to that. It would be a lil earner for them if they could make and sell batches.... ill wind n all that.

Op could you appeal to your local hospital or hospice where your mum is attending?

Our local pharmacy still make up cough remedies etc.

Princess Calla

The Hound Gone Wild wrote: »

Nonsense, we can still compound. I've had to do it for a local GP. I haven't been able to get any hand sanitizer for them so I've had to go right back to basics and compounded a carboxymethylcellulose and isopropanol hand gel.

Fair enough, my dad used to get an urea /cold tar cream made up, reeked to high heavens, but worked. The chemist he got it from said they could no longer make it.

Apologies wrong in my assumption.

cj maxx

It's not that scarce. I bought 3 boxes from a c&c yesterday

Baseball72

Re-enfocing the basics of good handwashing for 25/30 seconds is a timely reminder to us all. When I pop into the services on the motorways, I am always amazed at the number of guys who just walk straight out (after looking in the mirror) without washing their hands.....

GoGirl184

the Meath St Pharmacy, Sean Foley make up their own Mushatts creams and potions. They work fantastically particularly the shampoo for those with eczema. the staff are great too

Sleeper12

GoGirl184 wrote:

the Meath St Pharmacy, Sean Foley make up their own Mushatts creams and potions. They work fantastically particularly the shampoo for those with eczema. the staff are great too

My wife has got cream for eczema there for over 40 years now. Nothing else seems to work except her "special" cream

freshpopcorn

Yes, I feel sorry for you mam and people in similar positions.
Even with the bulk buying some people simply can't afford to or they may have mobility issues that make it hard for them to get out to the shops often and when they do things might be all gone.
However from what I've seen online it's fine to bulk buy because some people have anxiety and they need to buy trolleys of toilet roll and hand sanitisers to put their minds at rest.

bertsmom

I really do think it's not solely down to people bulk buying I think its just that people may not have previously been buying hand sanitizer. I know I only ever got it when going on holidays but now I pick one up when I see it to have due to the current situation.
Also I don't know why people have such an issue with people who bulk buy I always do. I'm on a strict budget these days for a certain goal so I do a big shop of toilet paper and all household essentials once every 3 months or so and then I just buy my weekly essentials of bread, milk and cheese, eggs and fruit etc at less than 20e.
Surely it's up to each individual how they shop or don't shop.

Raconteuse

bertsmom wrote: »

I really do think it's not solely down to people bulk buying I think its just that people may not have previously been buying hand sanitizer. I know I only ever got it when going on holidays but now I pick one up when I see it to have due to the current situation.
Also I don't know why people have such an issue with people who bulk buy I always do. I'm on a strict budget these days for a certain goal so I do a big shop of toilet paper and all household essentials once every 3 months or so and then I just buy my weekly essentials of bread, milk and cheese, eggs and fruit etc at less than 20e.
Surely it's up to each individual how they shop or don't shop.

I agree it could be because of a higher demand, not just bulk buying, that's emptying shelves. But the reason for criticism of bulk buying in this case (hand sanitiser) is it's a potential health crisis and it's not fair on those who need it the most if there is none left for a while.

Badly Drunk Boy

colm_mcm wrote: »

A lot of workplaces are buying them in bulk.

My workplace always has it in stock, but last weekend somebody took all the spare bags of sanitizer gel (and emptied dispensers too), as well as 10 or 15 boxes of face masks (10 packs). :mad: so despite normally being well-stocked and 'ahead of the game', we've had to join the masses for the significantly increased usage.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

bertsmom wrote: »

I really do think it's not solely down to people bulk buying I think its just that people may not have previously been buying hand sanitizer. I know I only ever got it when going on holidays but now I pick one up when I see it to have due to the current situation.
Also I don't know why people have such an issue with people who bulk buy I always do. I'm on a strict budget these days for a certain goal so I do a big shop of toilet paper and all household essentials once every 3 months or so and then I just buy my weekly essentials of bread, milk and cheese, eggs and fruit etc at less than 20e.
Surely it's up to each individual how they shop or don't shop.

The chemist told me that people were grabbing handfuls.

Bulk buying is fine when supplies are plentiful. During shortages it's selfish.

biko

What pan-demic really means

pure.conya

BellaBella wrote: »

In general proper hand washing is as good as using a hand sanitiser. However for people such as my mother who is in her eighties and suffering from cancer hand sanitisers can be vital. She needs to have one in her hall so that visitors make sure they don't carry in any infection.

We cannot get hold of any, but ut my local chemist told me that when they got a stock in recently people were grabbing handfuls and they were sold out in minutes.

Can I just appeal to people to be aware that if, as a healthy low risk family, they are depleting shops of hand sanitisers, many of which will remain in cupboards unused, they are depriving ill and vulnerable people and their families of a simple way of keeping a loved one safe.

Please, if stocks are replenished, don't hog them and stock pile.. Leave enough to keep ill and vulnerable n people safe.

ya unfortunately you're wasting your time appealing to the public, a member of the public will be along shortly to sell you a bottle x10 times the price

sbsquarepants

The Hound Gone Wild wrote: »

Nonsense, we can still compound. I've had to do it for a local GP. I haven't been able to get any hand sanitizer for them so I've had to go right back to basics and compounded a carboxymethylcellulose and isopropanol hand gel.

What's that? I might make some up if it's readily available, i have loads of isopropanol - we go through gallons of the stuff in work every month.

El_Duderino 09

James o brien is talking about this on LBC radio right now. He's asking why people are bulk buying big roll. There's no symptom of Covid that involves diarrhea. I think it's just a lack of imagination.

I chatted the bloke on the check out in tesco and he said they have plans to stock only necessary things like bread, milk, eggs etc. if it comes to it.

What would actually be useful to bulk buy? Presumably tinned goods and other non perishables.