CoVid-19 Part VII - 169 cases ROI (2 deaths) 45 in NI (as of 15 March) *Read OP*

Kermit.de.frog

The Australian PM has expressed concern at the number of cases in his country originating from the United States.

Also announces everyone entering Australia must self isolate for 14 days.

Quantum Erasure

Woodsie1 wrote: »

Was no worse than a cold for meself and the aul fella...the mother is coughing her lungs up the last 3 weeks and the eldest lad was bolloxed with a fever and coughing for 3 days.
Me ma is one of them that soldiers on regardless so who knows one things for sure she never had a flu last that long...56 years old 40 years smoking she's far from needing hospital yet

there's various viruses going around every year, if you seriously think someone might have it, call your GP in the morning and arrange a test

Stevieluvsye

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Look at the amount of data the Japanese govt give it's people compared to us...

https://gis.jag-japan.com/covid19jp/

Zoom in on the map it gives locations and figures.

Bull****,

check out this

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/coronavirus.html

Kermit.de.frog

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Japan has reported it's first case of a person re-infected.

This is from 2 weeks ago, is it different? Do you have a link? Definite reinfection? Or never truly cleared the virus?
https://news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-japan-confirms-first-case-of-person-being-reinfected-with-covid-19-11944295

OneEightSeven

These are the countries with over 1,000 cases so far. I'm excluding the ones below 1,000 because the margin of error dramatically increases below 1,000.

I've included the median age of these countries and calculated the case fatality rate


Country | Median Age |Cases | Deaths | Case Fatality Rate
Germany| 47.1 | 4,267 | 8 | 0.18%
Italy |45.5 | 21,157 | 1,441 | 6.81%
Spain |42.7 | 6,043 | 191 | 3.16%
Switzerland | 42.4 | 1,375 | 13 | 0.94%
South Korea | 41.8 | 8,162 | 75 | 0.91%
France |41.4| 4499 | 91 | 2.02%
UK | 40.5 | 1,140 | 21 | 1.84%
Norway| 39.2 | 1,055 | 2 | 0.18%
USA| 38.1 | 2,977 | 60 | 2.01%
China |37.4| 80,844 | 3,199 | 3.95%
Iran |30.3 | 12,729 | 611 | 4.80%

I posted to show that despite Germans being older than Italians, they have much lower case fatality rate. Doesn't make any sense since most deaths are pensioners.

Quantum Erasure

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Look at the amount of data the Japanese govt give it's people compared to us...

https://gis.jag-japan.com/covid19jp/

Zoom in on the map it gives locations and figures.

they said theyll probably start giving figures by county on monday, probably so individuals can't be identified solely by region

Naggdefy

Lads re. Timeline of deaths etc. Plot the figures to graph. We're looking at a tough few months. If we flatten the curve we'll cope better.

Listen to Kermit. He has an analytical brain. I criticised him a week ago as I thought he was revelling in the 'event'. I took it back though. He's just being factual and keeping all informed.

I have chest problems and had pneumonia. I'm doing all the right things. Not in the least worried about my mortality. Would be more about my 90 yo mam.

It is what it is. Try and not spread the thing. Laugh every chance you get. And it always could be worse..the Black Death or Nuclear War.

Kermit.de.frog

Deleted User wrote: »

This is from 2 weeks ago, is it different? Do you have a link? Definite reinfection? Or never truly cleared the virus?
https://news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-japan-confirms-first-case-of-person-being-reinfected-with-covid-19-11944295

Sorry, yes, already happened. Information overload.

Hard to keep track at this stage.

Woodsie1

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

there's various viruses going around every year, if you seriously think someone might have it, call your GP in the morning and arrange a test

GP isn't seeing anyone anymore it's all over the phone and you better have your credit card ready for a 40e charge.
Nobody is out getting pissed up in the pub infecting others so we c an stick it out like normal decent folk

Tell me how

Story from the US.

I'm living in Boston at the moment. A friends housemate, who works in a hospital felt unwell with respiratory symptoms while at work during the week and the hospital sent them home. They decided to return home to their parents house in another state so as to minimize the risk to the large number of people who they shared a house with.
Before they did this, they went to their Dr and was tested for both flu strains, but not tested for the CoVid virus because they did not meet the criteria, which is that they had come in contact with a known infected person, or that they had recently returned from an virus hot spot abroad. They were told they likely had pneumonia or bronchitis and were prescribed antibiotics and sent home.
They rang their dad to tell them they were coming home and were told not to come. The reason being that their patents will not have health insurance until the Dad's probation period at work ends in about 5 weeks and so they cannot afford to need serious medical care.

So, in a place that sees itself as the best country in the world and repeatedly tells everyone this, a person in a coVid hotspot (as Boston is somewhat) with respiratory symptoms and who had been working in a hospital, was not tested even though had sought medical care for a condition which was thought to be possibly 'only' pneumonia.
And, that persons middle class parents had to turn away their son from recuperating at their home because of the fear of the financial impact should either of them pick up some form of serious illness.

I am lucky enough to have (what I think is) decent medical coverage which only costs 6k/annum for the same sort of coverage as I get back home in Ireland for 1kE.
Hopefully, one outcome of this, might be that they, as a country will wake up and realise that they need to listen to what Bernie Sanders is saying in relation to healthcare for all and to swing to give him the Democratic nomination to challenge him who must not be named.
The current President shut down the Pandemic office, just two weeks ago called the virus a Hoax and earlier this week, announced financial support for the Oil energy due to falling prices. When the stock market started to tumble this week also, 1.5T (Trillion!!) dollars was found in order to be injected in to the economy to try to prevent some form of disaster.

And yet, part of me fears that if the numbers of those who contract the virus and who die as a result of it is less than what is being predicted, then many will say it was an over reaction and that there shouldn't be any dramatic changes made.

Separately, Boston schools have announced that they will be closed until the end of April which leads me to think that someone knows that this is indeed going to continue to escalate in a serious way for some time yet.

Kermit.de.frog

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Sorry, yes, already happened. Information overload.

Hard to keep track at this stage.

Yea it's crazy
I think the British are playing with fire going the herd immunity route.

Australian pm was on the phone with Boris last night, so he said in a live address today. He also said closing schools would cause issues with herd immunity so now we know the route he wants to go down.

Getting resistance from the state premiers I hope

Gretas Gonna Get Ya!

OneEightSeven wrote: »

These are the countries with over 1,000 cases so far. I'm excluding the ones below 1,000 because the margin of error dramatically increases below 1,000.

I've included the median age of these countries and calculated the case fatality rate


Country | Median Age |Cases | Deaths | Case Fatality Rate
Germany| 47.1 | 4,267 | 8 | 0.18%
Italy |45.5 | 21,157 | 1,441 | 6.81%
Spain |42.7 | 6,043 | 191 | 3.16%
Switzerland | 42.4 | 1,375 | 13 | 0.94%
South Korea | 41.8 | 8,162 | 75 | 0.91%
France |41.4| 4499 | 91 | 2.02%
UK | 40.5 | 1,140 | 21 | 1.84%
Norway| 39.2 | 1,055 | 2 | 0.18%
USA| 38.1 | 2,977 | 60 | 2.01%
China |37.4| 80,844 | 3,199 | 3.95%
Iran |30.3 | 12,729 | 611 | 4.80%

I posted to show that despite Germans being older than Italians, they have much lower case fatality rate. Doesn't make any sense since most deaths are pensioners.

I've been watching the German numbers with interest all week... I'm not surprised that they are doing a better job than other countries. It might be a cliche, but some cliches have a grain of truth in them... the Germans are highly efficient in how they tackle these things!

Germans follow the rules in their country - we even make fun of them for this. But it's a big help during a crisis like this, when you know you can rely on your populace to be sensible and do the right things.

I also think the Asians are very much the same, but the problem they have is massive population density... and that is a major issue when tackling something like this.

Our government could do a lot worse than copying these nations, and possibly getting feedback on the exact measures they are using! If you don't tackle this very aggressively, you will very quickly be playing catch up... which is what's happening in Italy and Spain... services are buckling under the strain of that enormous pressure!

Larbre34

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The Australian PM has expressed concern at the number of cases in his country originating from the United States.

Also announces everyone entering Australia must self isolate for 14 days.

Another stone cold kick in the balls for the Aussie tourist industry, already having a shocking year.

Quantum Erasure

OneEightSeven wrote: »

These are the countries with over 1,000 cases so far.

I posted to show that despite Germans being older than Italians, they have much lower case fatality rate. Doesn't make any sense since most deaths are pensioners.

It might be better to sort by Total cases vs Case mortality rate, altough Germany is still way ahead on that

niallo27

OneEightSeven wrote: »

These are the countries with over 1,000 cases so far. I'm excluding the ones below 1,000 because the margin of error dramatically increases below 1,000.

I've included the median age of these countries and calculated the case fatality rate


Country | Median Age |Cases | Deaths | Case Fatality Rate
Germany| 47.1 | 4,267 | 8 | 0.18%
Italy |45.5 | 21,157 | 1,441 | 6.81%
Spain |42.7 | 6,043 | 191 | 3.16%
Switzerland | 42.4 | 1,375 | 13 | 0.94%
South Korea | 41.8 | 8,162 | 75 | 0.91%
France |41.4| 4499 | 91 | 2.02%
UK | 40.5 | 1,140 | 21 | 1.84%
Norway| 39.2 | 1,055 | 2 | 0.18%
USA| 38.1 | 2,977 | 60 | 2.01%
China |37.4| 80,844 | 3,199 | 3.95%
Iran |30.3 | 12,729 | 611 | 4.80%

I posted to show that despite Germans being older than Italians, they have much lower case fatality rate. Doesn't make any sense since most deaths are pensioners.

Well it's hard to know when only a tiny percent of the population have actually tested positive. Italy seems to have gotten into nursing homes first where as Germany could have hit a younger age cluster first. With only about .0033% of the population actually after testing positive we wont know anything until it hits 10-15%

jimmycrackcorm

Tell me how wrote: »

Story from the US.

I'm living in Boston at the moment. A friends housemate, who works in a hospital felt unwell with respiratory symptoms while at work during the week and the hospital sent them home. They decided to return home to their parents house in another state so as to minimize the risk to the large number of people who they shared a house with.
Before they did this, they went to their Dr and was tested for both flu strains, but not tested for the CoVid virus because they did not meet the criteria, which is that they had come in contact with a known infected person, or that they had recently returned from an virus hot spot abroad. They were told they likely had pneumonia or bronchitis and were prescribed antibiotics and sent home.
They rang their dad to tell them they were coming home and were told not to come. The reason being that their patents will not have health insurance until the Dad's probation period at work ends in about 5 weeks and so they cannot afford to need serious medical care.

So, in a place that sees itself as the best country in the world and repeatedly tells everyone this, a person in a coVid hotspot (as Boston is somewhat) with respiratory symptoms and who had been working in a hospital, was not tested even though had sought medical care for a condition which was thought to be possibly 'only' pneumonia.
And, that persons middle class parents had to turn away their son from recuperating at their home because of the fear of the financial impact should either of them pick up some form of serious illness.

I am lucky enough to have (what I think is) decent medical coverage which only costs 6k/annum for the same sort of coverage as I get back home in Ireland for 1kE.
Hopefully, one outcome of this, might be that they, as a country will wake up and realise that they need to listen to what Bernie Sanders is saying in relation to healthcare for all and to swing to give him the Democratic nomination to challenge him who must not be named.
The current President shut down the Pandemic office, just two weeks ago called the virus a Hoax and earlier this week, announced financial support for the Oil energy due to falling prices. When the stock market started to tumble this week also, 1.5T (Trillion!!) dollars was found in order to be injected in to the economy to try to prevent some form of disaster.

And yet, part of me fears that if the numbers of those who contract the virus and who die as a result of it is less than what is being predicted, then many will say it was an over reaction and that there shouldn't be any dramatic changes made.

Separately, Boston schools have announced that they will be closed until the end of April which leads me to think that someone knows that this is indeed going to continue to escalate in a serious way for some time yet.

I think it'll only make Americans push now for their republican viewpoint that of you want to survive the virus then you need to live the American dream so you can afford to pay for the healthcare you need.

Can't afford it then tough.

Fakediamond

dashdoll wrote: »

I understand the pubs will be forced to close from tomorrow evening or Monday evening - not certain of the specifics. I love the pub as much as anyone but this is right in my opinion. I know for a fact that people running small rural pubs where there were less than 10 people tonight that the guards called about an hour ago, asked them to finish early nicely and gave the heads up that it will be formally announced tomorrow. Anyone hear similar?

Heard the same. Everything to shut down for 14 days, except food shops, pharmacies. Same as they’ve done now in France. This is what Prof McConkey has asked for all along, I hope it makes a difference in slowing it down.

Do we go to our jobs though? I’d imagine we have to go to work, just not socialise or congregate in public?

Are flights still able to land in Dublin from say Milan?

joeguevara

Fakediamond wrote: »

Heard the same. Everything to shut down for 14 days, except food shops, pharmacies. Same as they’ve done now in France. This is what Prof McConkey has asked for all along, I hope it makes a difference in slowing it down.

Do we go to our jobs though? I’d imagine we have to go to work, just not socialise or congregate in public?

I think an announcement will be made Monday. I have a feeling that all offices and businesses apart from the ones mentioned above will close. If you can work from home then will do that. If can’t then it is unthinkable.

jimmycrackcorm

Deleted User wrote: »

Are flights still able to land in Dublin from say Milan?

No.
If we're going to close off or borders though then it needs to be an island closure. But what's the odds on the DUP insisting that mainland UK travelers should still be able to travel to the north.

They're should be no difference between closing off borders from Spain, Italy, or the mainland UK as it should be decided on an island basis and not political.

NI is in union with the rest of the UK and we're all currently in a union with the EU so it isn't political.

No doubt the DUP will blindly follow the Tory line above the interests of their own constituents again.

Fakediamond

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/

A good explanation of social distancing in various forms.

Quantum Erasure

dashdoll wrote: »

I know for a fact that people running small rural pubs where there were less than 10 people tonight that the guards called about an hour ago, asked them to finish early nicely and gave the heads up that it will be formally announced tomorrow. Anyone hear similar?

well, I was out in one such pub tonight, it was quiet, as it usually would be, kept to our 1 meter distance..., no finishing early, or no warning about being shut tomorrow...

hard to know exactly what the proper advice is, but that's probably part of the strategy, 'reduce social interaction by X amount by issuing such-and-such a statement'

bodhrandude

I heard from a few folk in the house that there is going to be an announcement tomorrow about pub closures, I usually play every Monday night in a trad pub in Galway but the gig has been cancelled (Thank god) so will be mainly dedicating my time to social isolation.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya!

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

No.
If we're going to close off or borders though then it needs to be an island closure. But what's the odds on the DUP insisting that mainland UK travelers should still be able to travel to the north.

They're should be no difference between closing off borders from Spain, Italy, or the mainland UK as it should be decided on an island basis and not political.

NI is in union with the rest of the UK and we're all currently in a union with the EU so it isn't political.

No doubt the DUP will blindly follow the Tory line above the interests of their own constituents again.

Couldn't we just put some traffic cones on access roads to the north, like we do when you have road works... and only allow local access or goods vehicles to pass through?

You wouldn't necessarily even need Gardai, just pay a few local road labourers with a hi-viz jacket to advise motorists that there is restricted access...

Or do you need cross border co-operation for something like this?

"We didn't put up a border. We just decided now was a good time to fix all the roads into the North."

voluntary

New cases in China increasing second day in a row. Double from yesterday. Reported 8 on Friday, 11 on Saturday and 20 already today.

joeguevara

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Couldn't we just put some traffic cones on access roads to the north, like we do when you have road works... and only allow local access or goods vehicles to pass through?

You wouldn't necessarily even need Gardai, just pay a few local road labourers with a hi-viz jacket to advise motorists that there is restricted access...

Or do you need cross border co-operation for something like this?

The issue of a hard border has never been legally tested but it is enshrined in the Good Friday Agreement. If anyone has read the agreement it comes as a surprise on how little is stated about it. The main point is that there is a agreement between Ireland and the U.K. to keep it open.

There is one important clause that focuses on ‘spirit of the agreement’. The purpose is to promote peace so spirit wouldn’t be an issue if the reason was protection of health.

If one country closed it without agreement of other then while may pass a legality test could cause irreparable damage in relationships. It could also be used in future negotiations as a precedent.

If agreement is reached the issue of its enforcement is next part. People have to be able to cross, even if full lockdown down for medical and food supplies, workers like nurses and doctors. Civilians would not be allowed to stop that as restrictions on movement is only conferred on certain people. This could be loosened but vetting would be important.

This is not a security issue and if different lockdown approaches were implemented either side it is important that it is overseen correctly.

Another big issue is the possibility of a considerable amount of prisoners having to be released if they are issues on keeping them in a safe environment. I have not seen much discussion about this.

old_aussie

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Couldn't we just put some traffic cones on access roads to the north, like we do when you have road works... and only allow local access or goods vehicles to pass through?

Or do you need cross border co-operation for something like this?

I'd probably ask Greta about that.

Graces7

Good morning out there.

Out here the wind is howling and hard rain on the windows. Turbulent ocean and ruffled air

Wondering if folk are realising the hay fever season is here? I am sneezing and coughing but no way it could be anything but hay fever.

Caught up with a few pages. here; but when I was looking at the news earlier it came across how many folk are actively seeking to help and support. , Doolin with the free meals ( I WISH! ) ,, various folk being available for isolated folk to contact.

Even between a rock and a hard place there is kindness and support.
So much energy here; diverting it is good.

And is all most of us can do. And stay safe and away from folk.

Maybe back later but unwell and tired. Wishing all here well and safe

PS heard from friends working in India. They are not counting cases there as it is so widespread and the police and others finding bodies just throw them in the river. Be thankful to be here. As I am. We have so much

old_aussie

voluntary wrote: »

New cases in China increasing second day in a row. Double from yesterday. Reported 8 on Friday, 11 on Saturday and 20 already today.

Oh feck! :eek:

There's always one person who doesn't want to comply with a lock down.

Maybe it's something to do with the 31,000 Chinese students that zig zagged around the world to get back to Australia