CoVid-19 Part VII - 169 cases ROI (2 deaths) 45 in NI (as of 15 March) *Read OP*

Humberto Salazar

ChikiChiki wrote: »

You have a fascination with posting the same **** all morning.

And yes the UK stance is moronic. They'll come to their senses yet.

Just trying to be seen to be different.

I'm trying to balance against the moronic tricolour waving idiots on here, when the enemy is the virus and it alone. It's like the richer neighbour causing jealousy and stupid posts. I'll call it out all day. No one is perfect, we're all going to suffer, and let's see how quickly we get out of this mess.

Lord Trollington

Lads and Ladies.

Ventilators. How hard can they be to manufacture in big numbers. Why isn't global production of these ramped up to thousands daily?

Anyone have any insight into these ?

is_that_so

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

France has not reported it's cases yet.

Germany reports through the day until roughly 8 pm.

A few posters earlier suggested France are only reporting serious cases now.

threeball

Humberto Salazar wrote: »

Wait till your queuing at the dole office in a week or two with a couple hundred thousand colleagues. Your love for our 'government' will diminish greatly.

Rather stand in a dole queue than queue for a ventilator. I'd take our action over there's any day.

Syncpolice

dan786 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DubFireBrigade/status/1239215984826867713?s=20

Respecting their privacy by making a big.announcement

Axfrderr

Spook_ie wrote: »

Fake news it's shut

There was a busker outside when he posted that.

TheCitizen

Humberto Salazar wrote: »

Wait till your queuing at the dole office in a week or two with a couple hundred thousand colleagues. Your love for our 'government' will diminish greatly.

What's that supposed to mean? Are you disagreeing with the Irish government approach to this and agreeing with the stupid Brits, is that what you're saying?

spookwoman

I don't know if any posted this but i guess we can expect to see a rather large increase in the US
https://twitter.com/breakingavnews/status/1239102590719332354?s=20

darjeeling

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

The fu*kwit British government are backpedaling fast on their lunatic ideas about 'Herd Immunity' and infecting 60% of the population.

Matt Hancock, their Secretary of State for Health, is doing the rounds of the chat shows this morning, to deny that 'Herd Immunity' was part of their strategy. However the damage may already have been done, because it will take one to two weeks for the effects of their criminal stupidity to be seen.

That Sir Idiot Vallance, their chief government scientist, and whoever else came up with this crazy notion have a lot to answer for.

Watch out for the Crufts and Cheltenham spikes of infected people next week.

The BIG problem is that Ireland has also been severely damaged by their monumental pompous ineptitude.

The words British government, pissup, brewery and organize come to mind.

He may be saying that's not the goal, but look at what they're doing and planning:
No school closures, more or less business as usual, and vulnerable people will need to isolate themselves for four months, starting 'within weeks'.
i.e. if you're over 70, stay at home from late March / start of April until at least the start of August.
Meanwhile, the epidemic will continue through people not self-isolating - i.e. the younger, less at risk people - and die out once herd immunity is achieved, at which point it will become safe for older people to leave their homes again.

That's still the UK govt plan for now, and that's what I've been telling my parents, who are over 80 and in England. Right now I don't expect to be able to go over to see them until autumn, so I'm calling them every couple of days and will be doing that over the coming months, trying to pass on the best advice I've heard or figured out as things change from day to day.

CIARAN_BOYLE

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

In terms of the infection rate, we're actually worse, it's the eventual death rate that will be most telling.

Given that there's a two week lag between infection and showing symptoms and that tests don't detect cases until they are symptomatic.

Policies have been introduced in the last few days. We don't really know what's going on in any real way.

The UK chief medical officer said the other day that he suspects there is 10k undetected cases in the UK. We don't know what's going on.

otnomart

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I think Italy have had the virus months, even as far back as last November/December, they just never knew it.

Know we now (from genomic data) that the virus was introduced early in Europe, with early cases in the Netherlands and Germany which appear to have been the main gateways thanks to the busy airport hubs.
There was also a death in Valencia on the 13 February.
The cases in Italy originated from the Bavaria outbreak at the end of January.

See for NL
https://nextstrain.org/ncov/2020-03-...ry=Netherlands


and for Germany
https://nextstrain.org/ncov/2020-03-...ountry=Germany

Galwayguy35

bekker wrote: »

After four years of waffling - they just don't know how to DO anything effective.

In fairness it's a difficult situation to have to deal with when things are changing on a daily basis, IMO they are doing a lot better than that gobsh1te across the water.

They need to make the call and close the pubs though asap.

alastair

TheCitizen wrote: »

Exactly so use it as a measure to discourage travel. Why are you arguing against it?

Because it’s one thing discouraging travel where people are likely to expose themselves to infection (Planes, airports, terminals, coaches etc), and another to advocate for closing borders, where there’s no distinction between risk of infection either side of the border. If you practice good personal isolation, it’s an irrelevance.

bilston

ChikiChiki wrote: »

You have a fascination with posting the same **** all morning.

And yes the UK stance is moronic. They'll come to their senses yet.

Just trying to be seen to be different.

Or doing what they think is right based on science.

Apart from school closures what other major differences are there between the UK and Ireland at the moment?

Not a loaded question, I'm genuinely interested to know.

Funsterdelux

Burts Bee wrote: »

Thanks. When you say don't touch anything - we'd often collect fallen twigs and branches - how could virus get on them?

Go on the assumption that the virus is on everything, seriously! Even opening a gate, crossing a fence.

Even your car/ door handle, someone could have touch it.

fritzelly

Cannot believe no one has posted this devastating news yet
Dancing with the Stars will finish tonight

(alas probably not permanently)

Axfrderr

nocoverart wrote: »

On a scale of 1 to 10 how much better are we handling it than the UK?

11 to the power of 11.

greenfield21

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Given that there's a two week lag between infection and showing symptoms and that tests don't detect cases until they are symptomatic.

Policies have been introduced in the last few days. We don't really know what's going on in any real way.

The UK chief medical officer said the other day that he suspects there is 10k undetected cases in the UK. We don't know what's going on.

I think the average time to show symptoms is five days.

Bob24

Germany to introduce border check with France (but not completely closing the border).

Besides our government and the French one, I don’t think there is any other European government left saying that border checks/closures are unnecessary or not possible.

spookwoman

Lower than snakesh*t
https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/1239219373031731200?s=20

TheCitizen

Humberto Salazar wrote: »

I'm trying to balance against the moronic tricolour waving idiots on here, when the enemy is the virus and it alone. It's like the richer neighbour causing jealousy and stupid posts. I'll call it out all day. No one is perfect, we're all going to suffer, and let's see how quickly we get out of this mess.

Balance? This isn't a football match or even a political argument along nationalistic lines. The Brit approach is monumental stupidity, absolutely pig ignorant stupidity. And the problem we have is eejits in the North are currently following their idiotic lead on this. If you're trying to say any different you've got your head in the sand.

niallo27

Lord Trollington wrote: »

Lads and Ladies.

Ventilators. How hard can they be to manufacture in big numbers. Why isn't global production of these ramped up to thousands daily?

Anyone have any insight into these ?

Because it's a very specialised buisness. We are currently building a line for making lens and it will take a year and half at least before we can get the first lens to the market. Machine builders that make lines to produce these ventilators can only work so fast and to make things worse some of the best machine builders in the world are in northern italy such as the likes of marchesini and IMA

Syncpolice

This could be the undoing of BJ if it goes pear shaped

Which it looks like doing over the next.month or so

bilston

bilston wrote: »

Or doing what they think is right based on science.

Apart from school closures what other major differences are there between the UK and Ireland at the moment?

Not a loaded question, I'm genuinely interested to know.

We've cancelled major public events.

They are still allowing half marathons etc

Humberto Salazar

TheCitizen wrote: »

What's that supposed to mean? Are you disagreeing with the Irish government approach to this and agreeing with the stupid Brits, is that what you're saying?

Well straightaway, having a balanced rational debate over the pros and cons is unlikely since the 'stupid' Brits as you put it, are wrong in your eyes every which way they go. I'm saying there isn't a complete right way or wrong way of fighting this. But it has to be fought somehow. We're looking at economic ruin or at best, recession, in a few months, that's very likely. Lives matter, above all else, but getting the country back running also needs to be planned for.

SharpshooterTom

232 new cases

Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland account for 77 of them.

155 for England that means. Looks a little low??

joe40

Pseudonym121 wrote: »

I am planning to do a writeup of that if Boards allows me a thread to keep my answers together so they can be found easily...

But in the meantime I can say this. Their strategy seems to be based on the idea that once they get 60% infected they'll have herd immunity and if they can get to 60% in a controlled fashion they can stop their ventilator resources being overwhelmed and keep the death rate down to 2% instead of closing in on the 10% it would be without ventilators.

I think that theoretically it could work so long as you are willing to accept high casualties ( 60 Million x 60% infected x 2% mortality = 720,000 ) of up to three quarters of a million dead.

If we didn't have the examples of Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan and Shanghai to look at I think the British population might tolerate their plan BUT with those examples of the impact of rigid lockdowns and massive contact tracing leading to very low infection rates and death rates I don't think the British plan is actually sustainable.

I believe that individual groupings within British society will act unilaterally and close themselves and I think fear as the death rate rises will cause people to self-isolate such that they don't get the 60% infected rate they are looking for before October --- when they expect a much larger wave of illness will sweep the world.

So, I think it might work in a laboratory and on paper but I don't give it much chance in the real world. It doesn't take into account the human factor.


I think Ireland needs to get a lot stricter than it currently is but already our national strategy for tackling this is MUCH better than the UK's. I think we are going to come out of this a lot better than them --- which is sad because people or people and saying that means more people dying in the UK than should. Very sad

I think that is a really good analysis of the British approach and possible outcome. I don't agree with their approach but then again I have zero expertise in this area.

I do however accept that the British response is from chief medical officer and not just purely political. I believe they are doing what they think will provide the best long term solution, not heartlessly culling the population as some here suggest.

Strumms

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Big backlash against the vintners on the news over their behavior. Good to see.

Great to see, only interested in lining their pockets at the expense of the health and wellbeing of the population...

youreadthat

Syncpolice wrote: »

This could be the undoing of BJ if it goes pear shaped

Which it looks like doing over the next.month or so

Undoing? Their majority is huge and the next election is in 5 years...

TheCitizen

spookwoman wrote: »

Lower than snakesh*t
https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/1239219373031731200?s=20

An utter scumbag. When this blows over some retribution will be called for with a few idiots like Trump and Johnson