CoVid-19 Part VII - 169 cases ROI (2 deaths) 45 in NI (as of 15 March) *Read OP*

amadangomor

Silent Running wrote: »

You see, here's the thing. Unless I ask everyone in a very busy town have they just returned from Italy, how am I supposed to know if I was in contact with an infected person or not?

Don't listen to some randomer on the internet, go get medical advice, ring your doctor or the HSE helpline.

leavingirl

all about the mane wrote: »

Companies fold when their medicines don’t work as intended. They will not be prepared to take that risk. Understandably. Also, the cure could end up killing far mire than the disease. It would be a massive risk with very little chance of upside.

It hasn't stopped them in the past and it won't stop them in the future! Make 10 billion on profit and pay 2 billion in injury cases. Happy days!

milhous

leavingirl wrote: »

The liars on Sky News are now saying that people have never got the coronavirus twice. This is a lie and must be called out. Some expert at 9:35am said "Now the issue we got is that this is a new virus and what we don't know is whether people will retain immunity. We know people get immunity and in vast majority of cases we think nobody thus far caught coronavirus twice but it's very early days and we could end up with that immunity waining."
The vaccine companies have obviously being briefing her!
We need to call out this misinformation for the health and safety of everyone and to protect us from the pharma agents.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/27/japanese-woman-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-for-second-time

I think you should listen to the people who know a lot more than you rather than the guardian. I think people were released with a negative result, and then when symptoms persisted got retested and got a positive. Unlike Ireland a lot of countries aren't double testing before release so there are false negatives.

MadYaker

jackboy wrote: »

This is why I was wondering if it would be better to isolate the old and vulnerable while letting everyone else carry on as normal. It would be much easier to implement and would not destroy the economy.

Likely not possible and when the virus eventually broke into this isolated community it would be carnage.

20silkcut

threeball wrote: »

If 9/11 happened in any other country bar America it would never be spoken about in the same terms it is. In some countries it would barely have registered such is the horror they have endured. Yes it was a terrible event but there's been far more terrible events since that barely get recognised

In fairness there were nearly as many people killed in a few hours on 9/11 as the entire 25 years of the troubles in Northern Ireland.
It was a pretty seismic event.

wadacrack

bilston wrote: »

It's far too early to say the British aren't handling this well. There is a lot of logic to their approach, but equally it's quite risky.

However the approach of locking everything down still begs the question...what happens when the lockdown ends?

Its based on a number of assumptions and requires a great deal of luck. You slowly get back to normal life. Likely to be the summer. Less influenza and protect the vulnerable cases

https://twitter.com/otto_lanza/status/1237481293836926979

Its going to be a culture change until a vaccine is out and more is known.

The herd immunity theory may not be effective , especially with the condition mutating

leavingirl

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

If you read the article you linked, it says that the first infection might have become dormant in her system and not left her rather than being a reinfection. Note my saying ‘might’. This is a developing situation and a novel virus. Scientists don’t have all the answers right now. They are trying to figure it out. They also ackowledge in the article that it could be a reinfection.

CORONAVIRUS: JAPANESE WOMAN TESTS POSITIVE FOR SECOND TIME

Jostef

I feel your pain, lainey_d_123.

As far as keeping busy goes, I highly recommend boardgames!

Seriously, modern boardgames are really amazing and a lot of them can be played solo.

Indulge me and check out a website called Boardgamegeek.com. Has all the information you need and has the best community on the net.

All the best and try not to think too much.

J

lawred2

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Govt need to take the decion to shut the pubs today.

Otherwise it is just setting up for a disastrous Tuesday and we will be all looking at hordes of people roaming around Temple Bar on the webcams.

All their good work to date will be blown apart.

Vintners are doing the talking as usual

all about the mane

leavingirl wrote: »

It hasn't stopped them in the past and it won't stop them in the future! Make 10 billion on profit and pay 2 billion in injury cases. Happy days!

It doesn’t work that way

Silent Running

amadangomor wrote: »

Don't listen to some randomer on the internet, go get medical advice, ring your doctor or the HSE helpline.

As this event was a few weeks ago, and we're reasonably OK today ( I still have a cough though) We don't want to burden the health professionals with this.

I just want to know if we've had it or could still get it. We're staying at home for the foreseeable anyway, so it's not urgent. If there was a simple test to see if we had it, grand... if not we'll carry on doing what we're doing.

jackboy

Lord TSC wrote: »

If it was easier, don’t you think that someone like the WHO or leading experts in the field might have proposed it by now?

You mean the clowns who didn’t recommend flight and border shutdowns much earlier.

Pitch n Putt

lawred2 wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/play-dates-could-allow-children-to-spread-virus-doctors-warn-39044067.html

Poor children getting it in the neck... You'd swear they were the primary carriers of this bloody thing.

Where are the "pubs still open is a national disgrace" articles?

It’s all Cheltenham’s fault don’t forget. Nothing to do with any other gatherings

1641

leavingirl wrote: »

The liars on Sky News are now saying that people have never got the coronavirus twice. This is a lie and must be called out. Some expert at 9:35am said "Now the issue we got is that this is a new virus and what we don't know is whether people will retain immunity. We know people get immunity and in vast majority of cases we think nobody thus far caught coronavirus twice but it's very early days and we could end up with that immunity waining."
The vaccine companies have obviously being briefing her!
We need to call out this misinformation for the health and safety of everyone and to protect us from the pharma agents.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/27/japanese-woman-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-for-second-time

With all this hand-washing propaganda going on, is it not obvious that the soap companies and water supply companies are part of this conspiracy along with BigPharma? I am surprised you missed out on that, leavinggirl. Keep up!

Tootsie_1

Youtube video from a couple isolated with Covid19 in Japan from the cruise ship ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2E1t3yMXgE

leavingirl

milhous wrote: »

I think you should listen to the people who know a lot more than you rather than the guardian. I think people were released with a negative result, and then when symptoms persisted got retested and got a positive. Unlike Ireland a lot of countries aren't double testing before release so there are false negatives.

I'm just making the point that there are conflicting stories. The Guardian is a toilet paper of record buddy.

CinemaGuy45

threeball wrote: »

If 9/11 happened in any other country bar America it would never be spoken about in the same terms it is. In some countries it would barely have registered such is the horror they have endured. Yes it was a terrible event but there's been far more terrible events since that barely get recognised

Following mod instructions attack the Post not the Poster.

What an utterly retarded and stupid post.:rolleyes:

You should be ashamed of this post.

Kermit.de.frog

Spain yesterday was 2086 new cases.

It was actually 66 new deaths rather than 47.

That's what we want to try avoid here.

Close the fcuking pubs for a start.

People moaning about the flights and then attending packed pubs? Give me a break...

Get Real

Heckler wrote: »

To have pubs open on Paddys day is lunacy. Like we don't have enough excuse to go on the piss. Any prick that goes to a packed pub on tuesday is just that.

I agree. The original govt plan was to announce plans on Monday, and an advice sheet for educational institutions was being printed to explain precautions while staying open.

4 days in advance of Monday, that was all changed and stricter reccomendations were introduced. It was serious enough for the power above to do that/not just leave it the weekend.

I could be absolutely wrong here, but I could see a possible change of policy on Paddy's day/pubs. It's changing rapidly. Coveney and Leo are in the North this morning to discuss it with them up there

I'm not saying there will be a change in policy. Again, to stress, I haven't a clue. Just an observation.

amadangomor

MadYaker wrote: »

Likely not possible and when the virus eventually broke into this isolated community it would be carnage.

You sound like you have very limited knowledge here.

It's all about the health services capacity to deal with this that will affect how much carnage there will be. If vulnerable people can delay themselves getting it until after the peak that would be a great outcome.

ChikiChiki

lawred2 wrote: »

Vintners are doing the talking as usual

Your correct i would say. I'd imagine the deal is they get Tuesday out of it and then close.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

iguana wrote: »

I've been thinking about the potentially forthcoming vaccine and the kind of rigorous testing vaccines have to go through before being released. But with a disease this deadly to certain sections of society and one that will so rapidly overwhelm healthcare systems, might it not be possible that it's deemed more prudent to bypass normal testing procedures? I could easily see a point that if and when a reasonably effective vaccine is created it will be very quickly offered to people in the high risk categories, ie all people over 80 and people over 60 with one or more conditions that put them in the high morbidity categories, like cardiovascular illness, diabetes and cancer.

Yes it will be a complete and utter experiment and carry risk but compared to the experiment that the British seem intent on, it would be far more humane. And compared to keeping countries on some degree of lockdown for a further 12-18 months while normal testing is carried out I could see most governments amending laws to allow rapid distribution of a not completely tested vaccine, so economies can be restarted as soon as possible.

It’s possible but the recipients would need to be informed of everything that is known about the vaccine and the potential risks. And they would have to be bluntly asked “Are you okay with being a guinea pig?”. No dressing it up in euphemistic terms. I know all that I said there seems very obvious but eternal vigilance is required when it comes to medical ethics. We cannot just assume that potential volunteers have been fully informed of all the risks before consenting, especially with so much riding on this public health-wise and economically. Those factors can cloud judgement especially as the pressure is on to find vaccines and cures.

leavingirl

1641 wrote: »

With all this hand-washing propaganda going on, is it not obvious that the soap companies and water supply companies are part of this conspiracy along with BigPharma? I am surprised you missed out on that, leavinggirl. Keep up!

Your gaslighting is gas.

Drumpot

20silkcut wrote: »

In fairness there were nearly as many people killed in a few hours on 9/11 as the entire 25 years of the troubles in Northern Ireland.
It was a pretty seismic event.

When you consider what’s been going on in Syria and other genocides or ethnic clensings that have happened over the last 30 years , it really does show how USA centric we think.

It was a seismic event , just as much for USAs unfortunate response as anything else.

devnull

Friend who works in the UK school has just been told that the government is considering plans to force schools to stay open and to take 'serious enforcement action' against headteachers who close their schools, including passing a law to require headteachers to do so. If headteachers do not comply, they will face action to 'enforce the law'

There's also now talk about lowering standards in care homes which are already in crisis, that surely cannot have a positive effect on the outlook for people in those homes, which is in line with the governments herd immunity strategy.

Bad time to be an old and sick or vulnerable person in the UK now, The government appears to be openly going for policies which are going to have a serious effect on you and obviously they are quite willing to sacrifice your life to deal with the social care crisis and save some money so they can be a big economy once this is all over since the majority of their old and sick are dead whilst other countries are still paying for them.

Boris will go down in history as a very evil figure indeed.

Duke of Url

greeno wrote: »

Excuse my ignorance, but what makes this more deadly than that swine flu outbreak where over 20 people died in Ireland? There wasn’t the same shut downs back then. Is it the fact there’s no vaccine?

I will let you do the maths here

2009/2010

Italy had 3,000,000 confirmed cases of swine flu with 244 deaths

Italy has 17,000 confirmed cases of COVID19 with 1266 deaths.

Which one sounds more deadly?

Heckler

Whatever about the 100 rule responsible pub owners need to close their doors on the 17th. I know its a major hit but its the right thing to do. We can't Ole Ole Ole ourselves out of this one. Please folks stay indoors on the 17th.

Wibbs

greeno wrote: »

Excuse my ignorance, but what makes this more deadly than that swine flu outbreak where over 20 people died in Ireland? There wasn’t the same shut downs back then. Is it the fact there’s no vaccine?

It's because it's potentially between seven and thirty times more deadly than swine flu. It's also far easier to catch and the infected don't show symptoms early on but are still infectious. It also has a much higher percentage of those who require hospitalisation, both in serious cases and critical cases. The latter need very intensive help with many requiring very specialised equipment. Equipment we don't have enough capacity for. And because it can potentially overwhelm the health service because of all that, other critically ill patients may not get the help they need. When it gets to a certain point and the system is overwhelmed doctors have to make bloody hard decisions on who they treat and who they don't. IE who are more likely to survive. Doctors may have to do this already, but this can be another level. So if you're say 60 with heart disease or diabetes and the person in the bed next to you is 25 with no other conditions they'll get the care if it comes to that.

wakka12

greeno wrote: »

Excuse my ignorance, but what makes this more deadly than that swine flu outbreak where over 20 people died in Ireland? There wasn’t the same shut downs back then. Is it the fact there’s no vaccine?

It will not be excused if you choose ignore all the freely available information which says otherwise

Graces7

tikkahunter wrote: »

By the look of it it is the UK's way of dealing with it - kill the old and weak in society and have less benefit and pension payments.

Caring for this vulnerable section was part of the UK plan? It was right at the end of a statement so may get overlooked