CoVid-19 Part VII - 169 cases ROI (2 deaths) 45 in NI (as of 15 March) *Read OP*

xl500

My daughter is a Nurse in a well known hospital they cannot keep bottles of sanitiser people are stealing them they are even taking them from the ends of beds

Anyone caught doing this should immediately get 6 months prison its endangering vunerable peoples lives

This crisis will bring out the best and worst in people

stay safe

Wibbs

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Don't forget good hand washing before and after sex.:p

One can't contaminate oneself...

MadYaker

Is it too early to start drinking?

Gynoid

Pregnant women in actual labour are being told to stay in their cars when they get to the hospital if they think they might have the corona virus, and beep the horn to attract attention so that someone can come out with full PPE for them and they can be escorted to isolation rooms with negative pressure environment.
Elsewhere.... people having the craic in crowded pubs. :rolleyes:

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/women-in-labour-are-told-to-remain-in-car-outside-hospital-if-they-suspect-they-have-virus-39044075.html

cefh17

revelman wrote: »

I’m all for taking sensible precautions but with a 0.2 mortality rate for people under 40, I think you might be getting a little bit carried away about what is going to happen to manning of essential services.

0.2% mortality doesn't account for the fact it takes people the guts of a month to get over it

Mic 1972

revelman wrote: »

I’m all for taking sensible precautions but with a 0.2 mortality rate for people under 40, I think you might be getting a little bit carried away about what is going to happen to manning of essential services.

Dont feed the troll

TheValeyard

Wibbs wrote: »

One can't contaminate oneself...

Depends on the aftermath of the takeaway!!!

Kermit.de.frog

https://twitter.com/M_Davieswrites/status/1238728814110355457

The herd must be fed before mass infection.

Wibbs

Wibbs wrote: »

I was in that position of having their help for a few years and the same thoughts had occurred to me. I'm somewhat selfishly glad I'm not still in that position. It must be a terrible strain to be a carer now, nearly always a carer of someone whose health is very compromised.

My mam has a carer coming in in the morning. Surely some form of alternative plan will be needed with the increasing risk of infected carers?

Seamai

revelman wrote: »

Serious question. Does anyone suspect that there might be a cluster in Cork? I think it telling that Ireland’s first drive through testing centre was set up there.

Why is everyone so obsessed with Cork? It's the second biggest city with over 300,000 people in the greater city area so of course there are will probably be proportionately more cases here.

alastair

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

From Guardian live blog



Maybe it is time for Germany to stop urging and start acting?

The cult of open borders no matter what is aiding the contagion all across the continent.

What guff.

walshb

Is Dublin Airport closing?

J Mysterio

Hadleigh Putrid Stepfather wrote: »

The Donald Trump Coronavirus timeline

1. Says there is nothing to worry about and it will go away
2. Says it is a hoax by the Democrats
3. Is photographed standing beside someone diagnosed a few days later
4. Declares a national emergency

5. Declines responsibility for closing US pandemic office.

Micky 32

walshb wrote: »

Is Dublin Airport closing?

No

tromtipp

The only way they can re-open schools is if they can enforce the 2m separation thing - and even that is a bit risky. Maybe let the exam years back, reduce the class sizes, draft in all teachers to concentrate on them.

Then in late August start back with an alternate 2 day week/3 day week cycle for all, with online learning on the other days. Very expensive (with working parents forced to take care of their children), and children will lose out by at least a year, which they'll need to get back later, but if the state's going to invest in anything, the safety as well as the education of our children should be at the top of the list.

revelman

Seamai wrote: »

Why is everyone so obsessed with Cork? It's the second biggest city with over 300,000 people in the greater city area so of course there are will probably be proportionately more cases here.

Only because in other countries they started to open drive through test centres in places where significant clusters were emerging. So it is worth question about Cork, which has Ireland’s first such centre. If this happened in Athlon, I’d be asking the same question. No obsession with Cork whatsoever other than it being a great place!

Gynoid

Wibbs wrote: »

One can't contaminate oneself...

Haha reminds me of a joke I read..
Day 3 of the CoronaVirus Lockdown : It's been 6 months since I had sex.
:pac:

cnocbui

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Don't forget good hand washing before and after sex.:p

I get the feeling you might need to explain sex to that one. I'm sure it went over it's head.

Bannasidhe

Necro wrote: »

Do you think it's different in other countries or something

Italy:

UNEMPLOYMENT & OCCUPATIONAL RISK LIABILITY

15. Do employer-instituted quarantines or temporary shutdowns or mass lay-offs entitle workers to unemployment benefits or severance?

If a company shuts down operations based on a government mandate or due to a significant loss of business, the company may lay off the employees without pay. In such cases, companies may access a social “safety net” to help them pay salaries to the employees. Access to such welfare programs requires working with the unions.

https://www.littler.com/publication-press/publication/italy-covid-19-coronavirus-employer-faqs

Mortgage payments will be suspended across Italy as the Italian government places the population on lockdown because of the coronavirus outbreak.

Asked about the possibility of mortgage payments being temporarily frozen, the country's deputy finance minister, Laura Castelli, said on Tuesday, "Yes, that will be the case, for individuals and households."

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-covid-19-italy-mortgage-payments-suspended-during-lockdown-2020-3?r=US&IR=T

IF the Irish government doesn't introduce measure to help employers pay wages where it's needed then the Irish government will end up paying social welfare anyway and the risk that those jobs will be lost forever increases.

Help employers to continue to be employers and when this is all over - and someday it will be all over - those businesses will be better placed to quickly re-open.

Take away the worry of meeting mortgage payments by imposing a blanket postponement means people are more likely to accept the lockdown.

I don't know what Italy is doing re: rental sector tbh but I do know the Irish govt will have to do something as there is no way people on Job Seekers will be able to pay the kind of rents charged here - will they all get HAP? What about the weekly limits set on that?

Unless they want to see mass evictions/mortgage arrears government will have to introduce some measures - it's a question of what kind of measures.

Will they go with ways to support employers and their employees weather the storm or load it all onto SW and see our unemployment rates skyrocket again?

Will they tell the banks to hold their whist and wait a while for the mortgage payments or leave it up to individual banks to decide on a case by case basis and risk their 'bad loan' ratio rising again.

Rental - that's a hard one - but if people are being paid their normal salary - albeit with govt support - then that issue isn't as critical.

J Mysterio

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

What are those who live away from family, or single fathers doing?

College students will presumably go home, but what about those who say work in Dublin and rent during the week, or those with kids who don't live with them.

My little lad is old enough to be worried about daddy and his mam is freaking out about the situation a bit as her own parents are self-isolating in the countryside (60+ with medical conditions).
We luckily still get on well so she's asking if I want to relocate there for at least a few weeks.

I can work from home so no issue in that regard, but from a practical point of view I'd be worried about leaving my own place unoccupied for several weeks or longer so thinking I'd have to at least come back once a week to check on things - assuming things don't really get bad and a complete lock down and travel restrictions were imposed.

Any suggestions?

Its not a bad idea to band together, but you need to be absolutely 100% certain you are clear before you go to her parents.

Once you are there you absolutely should not regularly leave to check the house. You should then stay there, as should everyone else.

Sittingpretty

I wish people would stop having useless pops at each other on here.

I’m here with a knot in my chest since this all kicked off. Fearing that either I or my husband will start coughing in the next few days. I can’t visit my parents, my children are devastated and starting to get bored. Our local playground has a lock on it. This is all so new and so very shocking.

And yet when Italians are singing to each other to keep their spirits up there’s people in here trying to out arsehole each other.

Give it a rest ffs. Please.

Sierra Oscar

tromtipp wrote: »

The only way they can re-open schools is if they can enforce the 2m separation thing - and even that is a bit risky. Maybe let the exam years back, reduce the class sizes, draft in all teachers to concentrate on them.

Whatever about secondary schools, it will be impossible to enforce any sort of separation in primary schools. I don't see them reopening until this has completely passed.

Parents should be prepared for the possibility of primary schools not returning until September.

Funsterdelux

MadYaker wrote: »

Movies are not real life. Ain’t no supply chains breaking down in Italy.

For years I thought i was in the Truman Show, always looking for hidden cameras and peoples scripts

Kermit.de.frog

alastair wrote: »

What guff.

Countries are making decisions in their own national interest.

Borders are being closed. Slovakia, Austria, Czech Republic, Poland and Malta have closed their borders.

We need to do the same across the EU.

Hego Damask

revelman wrote: »

I’m all for taking sensible precautions but with a 0.2 mortality rate for people under 40, I think you might be getting a little bit carried away about what is going to happen to manning of essential services.

before people start panicking that's 0.2%

TheValeyard

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/M_Davieswrites/status/1238728814110355457

The herd must be fed before mass infection.

Would the panic over there not make more sense since government policy is Spanish Flu 2.0

joe40

Much as this pains me to say I think the British approach has some merit. I can't stand Johnson or the Tories but this is coming from their chief medical officer and his colleagues.
Our approach is also temporary. A shut down cannot be permanent, and this virus is not going away. We will have to function as a society while simultaneously deal with covid 19.
A vaccine is also a long way off.
Ultimately though my opinion means nothing I will follow the advice of scientist in this country. My feeling is we need to either do full shutdown for a few weeks pubs clubs etc not just school to slow it down. But I also feel there is no stopping it.

Snow Garden

I just head on the radio that they are rolling out a COVID19 warning system similar to the weather/storm warning system. It will be done on a County level. I hope they know what they are doing because these warning systems really frustrate and confuse people. I didn't capture it all but the general gist was as follows;

Yellow Warning: Cases increasing more than 10 per day. Social media misinformation starting to spike (again). People looking worried and reports of road rage outside shopping centres. Queues in most supermarkets but Supervalu still considered expensive. White pasta gone but wholewheat pasta still on shelves. Brown rice plentiful. Toilet roll turnover significant. Some heavy rain showers turning to sleet. Gaelgoirs speaking English most of the time.

Orange Warning: Cases increasingly significantly. Dirty looks commonplace. Social media causing panic attacks. People doing exactly what they were told not to do. Staff crying sporadically in supermarkets and GP surgerys. Pasta/Rice/Brennans/Milk - forget about it. Toilet roll still available in small dingy rural petrol stations. Fridges exploding with frozen milk. Hatred for foreigners at an all time high. Anyone from east of Calcutta considered a communist Chinese bastard. Children turning feral. Stigmata cases reported but likely excessive hand washing. Everybody is a virology expert. Horse racing enthusiasts and Liverpool supporters being verbally abused. Some gusts to 100 km/h.

Red Warning: HSE stopped counting and are begging people to stop eating toilet rolls. Riots in any open supermarkets over vegan sausages and beetroot. People walking the streets like zombies, especially members of the Gardai/Army who have been drinking poiteen. First hangings taking place for social media offences. Break-ins and food robberies at all time high. Teachers flat out. Sinn Fein canvassers offering tinned tomatoes for votes. Blight conditions.

It's not a perfect science but please heed the warnings.

Drumpot

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Countries are making decisions in their own national interest.

Borders are being closed. Slovakia, Austria, Czech Republic, Poland and Malta have closed their borders.

We need to do the same across the EU.

Hopefully we can come to some agreement with those up north , at least about an island wide strategy on social distancing

bekker

Closures - Tax income has already taken a hit and that is only going to escalate.

We are overly dependent on multinational CGT, and the service and tourist sectors. All of these are now vulnerable. Before this hit the global economy was faltering, and central banks were reaching the point where stimulus measures were running out of impact. Realistically the EU will not be able to meet all the demands that will be placed on it from states facing diminishing tax revenues, as it will itself be suffering falls.

So we need to ensure that the economy continues to function to the great possible extent. That means people need to be out and about and spending money. That should be possible using the social spacing, and other measures being promoted, but only if all sectors implement measures to enable it.

For example the VFI are best placed to ensure their member comply with spacing and maximum numbers, staff, and premises hygiene. Being a voluntary organisation they can be in a position to ban members immediately and in perpetuity for breaches, and announce publicly that they have done so. The caretaker government must immediately pressure them with complete closure of the licensed industry until they comply. Non-member pubs must be checked, and if in breech, loose licence immediately and all company directors receive a permanent ban on holding a licence.

There are full face transparent shields available which would go some way to protect customer facing staff from direct expiration, coughing and sneezing, whilst allowing verbal interaction etc. These should be become mandatory immediately by amending workplace health and safety regulations. In addition to helping staff they would also be a visible reminder to customer to take precautions.