Coronavirus and the effect on Public transport

ITV2

GT89 wrote: »

Thought they were allowing 6 standees on an SG last time they were at 50% capacity. Has this been done away with now? Also are drivers who go over capacity getting in trouble?

I haven't heard of anyone getting into trouble yet.

punisher5112

Wouldn't be going out of my way to over load but the seating on a ev is totally different, it's not every window seat like the others.

Haven't been on one so only see it now.

Driver's putting themselves and others at risk is a bit silly to be honest but nobody knows what's going to happen.


Wife just found out her and other hospital staff had the virus in December last year....

GT89

Face coverings now mandatory in taxis think it's mad this is only mandatory now. Interestingly though it says they are mandatory for drivers and passengers which I find odd surely it should only be for passengers if there is a perspex screen in place same way bus drivers and retail staff don't have to wear them if there is a screen.
https://www.thejournal.ie/face-coverings-taxis-5291228-Dec2020/

bk

GT89 wrote: »

Face coverings now mandatory in taxis think it's mad this is only mandatory now. Interestingly though it says they are mandatory for drivers and passengers which I find odd surely it should only be for passengers if there is a perspex screen in place same way bus drivers and retail staff don't have to wear them if there is a screen.
https://www.thejournal.ie/face-coverings-taxis-5291228-Dec2020/

Probably because screens are only partially effective.

No single step you take is perfect protection, but the more steps you take, the safer you are and adding masks along with existing screens is an extremely low cost extra step.

Think of it like how wearing a seat belt in a car makes you safer and less likely to die in a car crash, but it is still possible to die in a car crash, just less likely.

Now add multiple air bags to the car, ABS, collision detection, crumple zones, etc. With each new safety feature added, your chances of surving a crash increase.

There is no silver bullet solution that will protect you (until we get vaccinated anyway), instead you have to take multiple steps which hopefully all together protect you and help reduce the overall number of cases.

GT89

bk wrote: »

Probably because screens are only partially effective.

No single step you take is perfect protection, but the more steps you take, the safer you are and adding masks along with existing screens is an extremely low cost extra step.

Think of it like how wearing a seat belt in a car makes you safer and less likely to die in a car crash, but it is still possible to die in a car crash, just less likely.

Now add multiple air bags to the car, ABS, collision detection, crumple zones, etc. With each new safety feature added, your chances of surving a crash increase.

There is no silver bullet solution that will protect you (until we get vaccinated anyway), instead you have to take multiple steps which hopefully all together protect you and help reduce the overall number of cases.

You may be right I just think it's odd that screens are good enough for bus drivers and retail staff under the legislation but not good enough for taxi drivers. As the laws mandating the use of face coverings in shops and on public transport provide an exemption for staff who can work behind a screen such as bus drivers or till staff but the legislation for masks in taxis does not provide such an exemption. I'm more speaking from the pov of the legislation that is there rather than a scientific pov.

john boye

GT89 wrote: »

You may be right I just think it's odd that screens are good enough for bus drivers and retail staff under the legislation but not good enough for taxi drivers. As the laws mandating the use of face coverings in shops and on public transport provide an exemption for staff who can work behind a screen such as bus drivers or till staff but the legislation for masks in taxis does not provide such an exemption. I'm more speaking from the pov of the legislation that is there rather than a scientific pov.

I could be wrong but up until a few weeks ago I believe not all taxis had screens fitted so that could be why masks are mandatory for drivers.

GT89

john boye wrote: »

I could be wrong but up until a few weeks ago I believe not all taxis had screens fitted so that could be why masks are mandatory for drivers.

True but not all buses have screens either or at least not when the regulations were first introduced

oldtimeyfella

GT89 wrote: »

Pre booking mandatory on all Irish Rail intercity trains between 18th December and 6th January.
https://www.irishrail.ie/en-ie/news/pre-booking-mandatory-for-travel-on-intercity-rail

Another completely unimplementable suggestion from the back office types that will be mostly ignored by the public.

Imagine expecting front line workers to tackle a bunch of scaldies on their way to get their fix or pull up the crowd of 15 lads out on the piss before they break up work for Christmas because neither group has their seats booked?

Pure fantasy from the company once again.

bk

oldtimeyfella wrote: »

Another completely unimplementable suggestion for the back office types that will be mostly ignored by the public.

Imagine expecting front line workers to tackle a bunch of scaldies on their way to get their fix or pull up the crowd of 15 lads out on the piss before they break up work for Christmas because neither group has their seats booked?

Pure fantasy from the company once again.

Errr.... They won't even get on the trains. There are ticket checkers at the gates before you even get to the train.

Also lots of security at Heuston and Connolly Station. This isn't anything new, they have long recommended pre-booking near Christmas and have always had lots of staff around to handle the big queues of passengers trying to board.

GT89

bk wrote: »

Errr.... They won't even get on the trains. There are ticket checkers at the gates before you even get to the train.

Also lots of security at Heuston and Connolly Station. This isn't anything new, they have long recommended pre-booking near Christmas and have always had lots of staff around to handle the big queues of passengers trying to board.

What about people travelling Connolly to Drogheda or Dundalk. I'm guessing they could travel on an Enterprise rather than a Commuter service likewise people travelling to Bray or Greystones on the Rosslare service or travelling to Kildare, Portarlington or Portlaoise on an intercity service out of Hueston. Plenty of journeys covered by both intercity and commuter trains.

oldtimeyfella

bk wrote: »

Errr.... They won't even get on the trains. There are ticket checkers at the gates before you even get to the train.

Also lots of security at Heuston and Connolly Station. This isn't anything new, they have long recommended pre-booking near Christmas and have always had lots of staff around to handle the big queues of passengers trying to board.

To be fair, there are more stations in the country than Hueston and Connolly and most of them don't have security.

GT89

oldtimeyfella wrote: »

To be fair, there are more stations in the country than Hueston and Connolly and most of them don't have security.

And I've never seen the security in Connolly or Hueston check tickets

Jamie2k9

I will be testing this policy out but we all know it not workable.

Most station staff don't check tickets now, ticket barrier staff have there socially distanced space at Heuston, CSOs rarely seen and don't check tickets so who will enforce it?

Del.Monte

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

I will be testing this policy out but we all know it not workable.

Most station staff don't check tickets now, ticket barrier staff have there socially distanced space at Heuston, CSOs rarely seen and don't check tickets so who will enforce it?

Barry Kenny?

GT89

Del.Monte wrote: »

Barry Kenny?

newuser99999

Just a warning to people my ticket price was double what it normally is. Seems to be the same for the next coming weeks when I was looking at booking ahead.

trellheim

LUAS extremely crowded this evening I am not sure some people are taking things seriously

r93kaey5p2izun

RTPI must be self isolating due to Covid.

GT89

trellheim wrote: »

LUAS extremely crowded this evening I am not sure some people are taking things seriously

Were you one of the people on it? If so you are part of the problem you mention.

GT89

Emerald Blue Mail wrote: »

RTPI must be self isolating due to Covid.

Appears to be back up and running now

punisher5112

Obviously something is coming soon with the rtpi, the box in the cab is now showing a minus amount of time where as before this would be just a / in the box. Now states on time too

trellheim

Were you one of the people on it? If so you are part of the problem you mention.

Thanks for the concern. No, it went past me ( a couple of times ) both very full.

GT89

trellheim wrote: »

Thanks for the concern. No, it went past me ( a couple of times ) both very full.

Fair enough but I've noticed a common trend on twitter of people complaining about public transport being too full even when they are on it.

GT89

punisher5112 wrote: »

Obviously something is coming soon with the rtpi, the box in the cab is now showing a minus amount of time where as before this would be just a / in the box. Now states on time too

Could that be something to do keeping even headway?

john boye

GT89 wrote: »

Could that be something to do keeping even headway?

It seems to be garbled atm. Saw an RTPI screen a few minutes ago showing a 77A to Aston Quay and a 1 to River Forest

GT89

john boye wrote: »

It seems to be garbled atm. Saw an RTPI screen a few minutes ago showing a 77A to Aston Quay and a 1 to River Forest

Yeah saw 145 displaying Rossmore on the app instead of Hueston.

p_haugh

Still an issue by the looks of it, just checked the app now and the 145 northbound shows Rossmore along with the 46a showing UCD & 47 showing the Square (both going southbound)

john boye

p_haugh wrote: »

Still an issue by the looks of it, just checked the app now and the 145 northbound shows Rossmore along with the 46a showing UCD & 47 showing the Square (both going southbound)

Seems some routes are showing destinations for the next route up on the list. Eg 47 showing the square for the 49, 145 showing 150, 150 showing Foxborough for the 151 etc.

p_haugh

john boye wrote: »

Seems some routes are showing destinations for the next route up on the list. Eg 47 showing the square for the 49, 145 showing 150, 150 showing Foxborough for the 151 etc.

That makes a lot of sense actually

r93kaey5p2izun

This is the link I use for RTPI usually.

http://www.rtpi.ie/text/Default.aspx

Since the problem last week, DB routes aren't tracking properly, they just list the timetabled arrival time for the stop, instead of counting down live. Go Ahead routes appear fine.

GT89

More 25% capacity nonsense predict more chaos when the children go back to school especially now non essential shops are going to be open. Despite 0 covid cases being linked to public transport at 50% capacity

Kyleboy

GT89 wrote: »

More 25% capacity nonsense predict more chaos when the children go back to school especially now non essential shops are going to be open. Despite 0 covid cases being linked to public transport at 50% capacity

Interesting, would you be able to provide a link to the 0 covid case's on public transport please?

TK Lemon

It’s going to be a nightmare getting buses with schools returning in January and non essential retail staying open! And only 25% :mad:

GT89

Kyleboy wrote: »

Interesting, would you be able to provide a link to the 0 covid case's on public transport please?

I could reply but I'd probably be banned so best not

ax586

Bus capacity

Kyleboy

GT89 wrote: »

I could reply but I'd probably be banned so best not

Don't worry, understandable in your situation.

GT89

ax586 wrote: »

Bus capacity

I thought it would be 17 passengers per bus. That's a bit better to be fair. On a side note I see DB are copying the TFL slogan now what was wrong with 'Serving the entire community'.

devnull

GT89 wrote: »

I could reply but I'd probably be banned so best not

Kyleboy wrote: »

Don't worry, understandable in your situation.

Back to the topic at hand and constructively posting about it please.

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Tickityboo

TK Lemon wrote: »

It’s going to be a nightmare getting buses with schools returning in January and non essential retail staying open! And only 25% :mad:

I don't think non essential retail will be open for too long going into the new year.

GT89

Tickityboo wrote: »

I don't think non essential retail will be open for too long going into the new year.

Nor do I. Which I am pissed off about as I work in a retailer which is deemed essential whenever they close non essential retail everyone goes to the few shops open that are deemed essential meaning less social distancing which is a complete condradiction of what the government want.

GT89

Kyleboy wrote: »

Interesting, would you be able to provide a link to the 0 covid case's on public transport please?

Have it now in the last 2 weeks at least 0. Very possible that the outbreaks in other weeks had nothing to do with public transport either.
https://twitter.com/Niall_Boylan/status/1342169455674191872?s=19

TK Lemon

Tickityboo wrote: »

I don't think non essential retail will be open for too long going into the new year.

I work in non essential retail. It was hard getting a bus at 50% at times! 25% will be crazy.

GT89

TK Lemon wrote: »

I work in non essential retail. It was hard getting a bus at 50% at times! 25% will be crazy.

Complain to Anne Graham and Eamonn Ryan

TK Lemon

GT89 wrote: »

Complain to Anne Graham and Eamonn Ryan

There’s no point complaining, nothing will be done! It is what it is :pac:

GT89

TK Lemon wrote: »

There’s no point complaining, nothing will be done! It is what it is :pac:

Everyone effected should bombard them so they know this madness does not work

AlekSmart

GT89 wrote: »

Have it now in the last 2 weeks at least 0. Very possible that the outbreaks in other weeks had nothing to do with public transport either.
https://twitter.com/Niall_Boylan/status/1342169455674191872?s=19

It's quite interesting that almost Universally,Public Transport,often in the densest of population centres has NOT figured in the transmissability statistics.

From an Irish perspective,most focus has been upon London,where,in the initial stages of the pandemnic,a significant number of TfL staff deaths were deemed to meet the UK's Covid mortality statistics.

The breakdown of those initial deaths is also available here:

https://www.london.gov.uk/questions/2020/1663

Tube and Rail 4

Head Office 2

Buses (including DaR) 34

Partner Organisation 4

Total 44

Age

35 – 44 1

45 – 54 13

55 – 65 20

65+ 6

TBC 4

Total 44

Ethnicity Total

Asian/British Asian 12

White/White Other 8

Black/Black African/Black Caribbean/Black British 19

TBC 5

Total 44

It appears that the last Busdriver Covid fatality (the 45th in total) was in early October,with all the others occuring during the initial phase of Coronavirus.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-why-public-transport-could-be-safer-than-we-thought-12091657

Worldwide,the actual chance of becoming infected on Public Transport is negligible,particularly if positive ventilation is maintained during the journey....Yet,bus passengers,in particular will regularly embark on a wild-eyed Window Slamming attack immediately upon boarding,most likely due to a feeling of invincibility thanks to their mask....:rolleyes:

LEAVE THE WINDOWS OPEN !

trellheim

Worldwide,the actual chance of becoming infected on Public Transport is negligible,particularly if positive ventilation is maintained during the journey....Yet,bus passengers,in particular will regularly embark on a wild-eyed Window Slamming attack immediately upon boarding,most likely due to a feeling of invincibility thanks to their mask....

LEAVE THE WINDOWS OPEN !

A good point - why have DB not put wedges in to ensure they remain open ?

GT89

Instead of chopping and changing between 25% and 50% capacity they should just have a blanket limit of 30 passengers per bus on double deckers and have no standees then maybe something like 14 passengers on a single decker.

That's what it is in London 30 passengers on a double deck and 35 if travelling with people in the same household. Clearly marked on the outside of the bus and that applies regardless if their in tier 1 or tier 4. Seems a bit clearer 30 is somewhere between 25 and 50% capacity allows every window seat to be taken.

No seat signage there either which is just either vandalised or applied incorrectly now it seems I was on a couple of buses over the last 2 months and the seat signage is always inconsistent now.

GT89

trellheim wrote: »

A good point - why have DB not put wedges in to ensure they remain open ?

Probably could damage them

punisher5112

trellheim wrote: »

A good point - why have DB not put wedges in to ensure they remain open ?

Signs are there, it should be common sense anyway, I always opened a window even in terrible weather to get some fresh air in...

They would have to go around to remove them each night for the wash and windows would smash....