CoVid-19 Part VIII - 292 cases ROI (2 deaths) 62 in NI (as of 17th March) *Read OP*

Strazdas

Strazdas wrote: »

Many scientists are saying they are deeply alarmed at what the UK is proposing and say they cannot understand why Britain is going down this route.

I am assuming it will really impact international travel from the UK, and it's really bad for Ireland.

Professor Moriarty

scamalert wrote: »

uk will have proper staticstics not skewed by stupid measures put in place, they will have numbers and profiles for those infected and more so those that had it severe, given chances it wont go away anytime soon, heard immunity isnt bad, if mass population has it and several dozen do get complicated or dead, its not mass extiction, just will prove how it compares to other viruses.


where irelands approach is useless since cant quarantine and close shops, factories forever, thus eventually everyone will have to return and with no immunity it will be rinse and repeat cycles, that will drive economy into ground.

So you wouldn't advocate flattening the curve. Why?

UrbanFret

Cupatae wrote: »

Yeah but they d have to announce it wouldnt they in order for people to do it. Not about numbers, im supposed to go to work today should i just ring em and tell im im too disciplined to come in ?

Advising the nation to lockdown and enforcement it are 2 different things though.I sympathise with your predicament I suppose until it is a directive than you will be expected to show up.

Rob A. Bank

patnor1011 wrote: »

Problem is no matter what they do there is no slowing down with this virus. Chinese tried it right from the start with army on the street and with full might of a police state. It is not working and we simply do not have capacity to deal with it. Neither does any other country. There are waiting lists for every medical procedure and with this virus added to what was overwhelmed medical industry even before this virus emerged future do not look good anyway.

So while it is popular here to bash UK and Boris they at least did not bombed their economy.

Blatant untruths !

How about Taiwan, South Korea an Singapore ?

Nermal

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

So you wouldn't advocate flattening the curve. Why?

UK strategy does involve flattening the curve. It just doesn't involve trying to flatten it to zero, since that's economically destructive and pointless in the long run.

Red for Danger

NIMAN wrote: »

Someone will still be allowed out to shop even during the worst period.

Its not about being allowed go to the shops or shops not have stock!
You dont want to have to go during the worst of it.
No point in being all locked up for 10 days and being completely out of food for the worst time??? Leaving you no other choice but to risk it then

In order to prevent this you need about 25 to 30 days stock? No ?
If you've a family of 5 or 6 thats a lot of grub.

An Ciarraioch

patnor1011 wrote: »

Problem is no matter what they do there is no slowing down with this virus. Chinese tried it right from the start with army on the street and with full might of a police state. It is not working and we simply do not have capacity to deal with it. Neither does any other country. There are waiting lists for every medical procedure and with this virus added to what was overwhelmed medical industry even before this virus emerged future do not look good anyway.

So while it is popular here to bash UK and Boris they at least did not bombed their economy.

Daily case increases in China have declined to negligible levels now.

patnor1011

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

So you wouldn't advocate flattening the curve. Why?

Because with this virus you can not flatten the curve. Chinese could not flatten it and they tried it for the last 3 months. They even built couple mega hospitals.

You will not make people sit in home and wait it out. Nobody can.

facehugger99

patnor1011 wrote: »

So while it is popular here to bash UK and Boris they at least did not bombed their economy.

They way we are heading, the economic fallout from the measures we are introducing are going to far outstrip the effects of the virus.

Unemployment is going to skyrocket, tax receipts are going to tank. Good luck funding a health service that needs €20bn a year just to provide a crap service.

0gac3yjefb5sv7

Any chance of lockdown this week or will we maybe keep it as we currently have it?

patnor1011

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Daily case increases in China have declined to negligible levels now.

Seriously?
And why did they cancelled flights and trains within the country?
Anyone who see how this is progressing in Italy or Spain need to realize that numbers coming out of China are pure fiction.

spookwoman

New System For Coronavirus Testing Crashes
https://twitter.com/FM104/status/1239534580568391680?s=20

is_that_so

Pheonix10 wrote: »

Any chance of lockdown this week or will we maybe keep it as we currently have it?

In short no, but some of us are planning one on Wednesday via WhatsApp!

JP Liz V1

dougm1970 wrote: »

godson / nephew of mine...16...very sick today...sick since Saturday night but awful bad today....huge fever and coughing...dry cough too....seemingly someone coming out to test him today and it'll be two days for results
a young fella whos never sick ..not a pick of fat on him.. does a lot of boxing and football.
facetimed him there and was shocked how he looked, face swollen and sweaty...hes in bed and has no energy at all.

may not be it at all....but its just hes never sick and has these symptoms at this time.

his family have been told to self isolate.

I hope he is fine

expectationlost

Around 2,000 households in North West Clare are now entering a fourth week without a usable water supply http://www.clare.fm/news/current_affairs/water-issues-inagh-kilmaley-scheme-enters-fourth-week/ imagine having to gather to get water.... and in Inagh!!!

TheAsYLuMkeY

Pheonix10 wrote: »

Any chance of lockdown this week or will we maybe keep it as we currently have it?

Whatever good will that seems to be floating about for FG and coveney etc at the moment would dissapear very fast if they do not take radical steps quickly to prevent us getting as bad as quickly as other countries.

GDK_11

As a Brit living in Ireland I definitely feel more comfortable with other the Irish approach, it makes more sense to me. However, there is some logic to the UK approach in my totally uneducated opinion, high risk but really no one will be able to say until this is over.

There is of course some Brit bashing from certain posters, see them on Brexit, sport, travel etc!

is_that_so

spookwoman wrote: »

New System For Coronavirus Testing Crashes
https://twitter.com/FM104/status/1239534580568391680?s=20

It's going to happen. There's only been so much time to get it in place. You'd expect it to be resolved quickly enough. Sounds like an IT version of the panic buying that hit shops!

The only way I can explain the UK strategy is to compare it to fighting forest fires. Maybe this has been said already, apologies if so.

You have 10,000 trees. The first 2,000 are on fire. (Have the virus). So the firefighters go to around tree 5,000 and they burn that whole section down in a controlled manner. (Allow them to catch the virus). Now when the fire reaches that section it can't spread any further because there's nothing there to burn , (that part of the herd has immunity now) saving the final 5,000 trees.

Except the UK are talking about people, not f*****ing trees. They are going to let this virus burn through half their population and make some people sick, some people very sick and some people die. And not only that but because they're not enacting measures to slow the spread of this fire, there will far, FAR more people sick at any one time than their health services can cope with which simply means countless people will die who would otherwise not die.

Yes, no matter what measures are taken some people will lose their lives. That is inevitable. But the UKs strategy is sentencing people to die who DON'T need to die. Even young people, even healthy people can experience complications that can't be treated if there's no room and no equipment and no doctors spare to help them.

laurah591

has Spain reported for the day? 3 deaths ... surely a positive

Has there been any reports from Spain 're how there medical infrastructure is holding up? I know we saw harrowing stuff from Italy in recent days; but the numbers coming from Spain recently particularly the death rate are very concerning

Also what sort of.temperatures are Spain having in badly infected regions

Sorry if this has been discussed already - I find it difficult to keep.up with these threads and keep past 100s of pages

0gac3yjefb5sv7

is_that_so wrote: »

In short no, but some of us are planning one on Wednesday via WhatsApp!

Would you be fairly sure? Heard rumours of tomorrow at 8am. Just want to be sure transport doesn't shut down so I can make one trip if needed back to Dublin.

patnor1011

One thing is clear that we all will get it at some stage and I hope that every mutation will make it less virulent and less damaging.

Wibbs

Red for Danger wrote: »

Its not about being allowed go to the shops or shops not have stock!
You dont want to have to go during the worst of it.
No point in being all locked up for 10 days and being completely out of food for the worst time??? Leaving you no other choice but to risk it then

In order to prevent this you need about 25 to 30 days stock? No ?

No. In China stocks didn't run dry. In Italy stocks aren't running dry. In Germany, France, Spain, Sweden etc stocks aren't running dry. So why in God's name do you think they will in Ireland? A country of a much lower population density and in a pinch one of the few EU nations that can actually feed ourselves? Oh and in even the heaviest lock down in China and elsewhere people were still allowed to go to the shops, or supplies was delivered to them.

Seriously, where are people getting this notion? I can only assume it's the early stages of panic, after the period of denial. The same nonsense that had bogroll fly off the shelves. :rolleyes:

spookwoman

patnor1011 wrote: »

Seriously?
And why did they cancelled flights and trains within the country?
Anyone who see how this is progressing in Italy or Spain need to realize that numbers coming out of China are pure fiction.

Numbers are probably doctored but if you had cases right down after a lockdown for 50 days would you be worried about people coming and and starting it up again. There is going to be pockets of the virus about and this is probably just measures to keep those areas contained to some extent.

scamalert

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

So you wouldn't advocate flattening the curve. Why?

theres no flat curve scenario in this, how can you not wrap you head around that 3-4 weeks wont make it go away as it will take single case to start over again, people speak about ventilator - check stats on survival once someone is put on one of these it drops to single digits survival, where body either fights or goes into further shut down.


forget the talks about vaccine it wont happen anytime soon either, so you propose that we tank our economy back to stone age, by trying to close off everything when it will be minutes before it breaks out again.


im not against putting priority those in actual danger group of age or existing conditions, but majority seem to overcome it with little to none complications.

s982102

patnor1011 wrote: »

Problem is no matter what they do there is no slowing down with this virus. Chinese tried it right from the start with army on the street and with full might of a police state. It is not working and we simply do not have capacity to deal with it. Neither does any other country. There are waiting lists for every medical procedure and with this virus added to what was overwhelmed medical industry even before this virus emerged future do not look good anyway.

So while it is popular here to bash UK and Boris they at least did not bombed their economy.

Firstly, Chinese government didn't bring army onto street, only volunteers and police forces.


Secondly, that method worked. The restriction across the country is slowly released.



Thirdly, the fully quarantine method needs everyone in the country to cooperate. So people should think about restricting themselves for the greater good.


Fourthly, economy in UK will suffer in the long run if they dont put effort into slowing or stopping the spreading as lots of people will die. Doing nothing will not help the economy. It is just simple lazy politics.

caveat emptor

Notice a massive push on here in relation to UK herd stupidity approach.

Uk runs a very effective class based society. What they say and what they do are two different things. More well off people know exactly what to do. They are very adept at reading between the lines. Truth is they couldn’t give a **** what happens to minimum wage workers that why they are feeding them this tripe. The economic wheels must turn until bedlam breaks loose by which time there won’t be one person earning over 50k left in the capital.

Do you not remember the riots of 2011.

Public order is their main concern not public health.

Also pat kenny(Dennis O’Brien) On news talk this morning pushing agenda. Played segment from joe rogan podcast detailing how bad it’ll get. Left out the part where the man talks about how public health measures are the only thing that work. Economy is going to crash but that will happen in either scenario so may as well kill the disease by not giving it a host.

expectationlost

dougm1970 wrote: »

godson / nephew of mine...16...very sick today...sick since Saturday night but awful bad today....huge fever and coughing...dry cough too....seemingly someone coming out to test him today and it'll be two days for results
a young fella whos never sick ..not a pick of fat on him.. does a lot of boxing and football.
facetimed him there and was shocked how he looked, face swollen and sweaty...hes in bed and has no energy at all.

may not be it at all....but its just hes never sick and has these symptoms at this time.

his family have been told to self isolate.

has his gp advised treatment? you don't have to tell us what that treatment is.

megatron989

Wow we seem to have a whole new group of uninformed to deal with today.
To all the new posters, maybe read a little more and type a little less. Some of us have been here since the start and tbh we can't be bothered with ya at this stage. Things are 2 serious now for your nonsense.

Inquitus

Deleted User wrote: »

https://twitter.com/iandonald_psych/status/1238518371651649538

This all relies far too heavily on people doing what they are told, which has been shown has not worked from Country to Country since the beginning, only China had the authoritarian powers to put soldiers on the streets and truly shut everything down, everyone else has failed to impress on their populations the importance of following guidance, the Brits being some of the worse for this in the norm as well.

Rob A. Bank

Nermal wrote: »

UK strategy does involve flattening the curve. It just doesn't involve trying to flatten it to zero, since that's economically destructive and pointless in the long run.

The first responsibility of government in a democratic society is to protect and safeguard the lives of its citizens.

So you say wealth is more important that your citizens health ?

Typical neoliberal hogwash !

Disgusting !

JP Liz V1

219 cases now on Island of Ireland from VM1 news

deathbomber

The UK are a sitting time bomb now. I see their logic but i envisage they will be on full lockdown by the end of the week.

is_that_so

Pheonix10 wrote: »

Would you be fairly sure? Heard rumours of tomorrow at 8am. Just want to be sure transport doesn't shut down so I can make one trip if needed back to Dublin.

Yeah they are just rumours, but I'd contact whoever provides that transport for peace of mind.

dundalkfc10

megatron989 wrote: »

Wow we seem to have a whole new group of uninformed to deal with today.
To all the new posters, maybe read a little more and type a little less. Some of us have been here since the start and tbh we can't be bothered with ya at this stage. Things are 2 serious now for your nonsense.

Who are you to tell someone not to ask questions. Just because you have been here since the start (a online message board) does not mean you know **** all

Inquitus

caveat emptor wrote: »

Do you not remember the riots of 2011.

Public order is their main concern not public health.

I made this point a few pages back, I agree they certainly have one eye on Public Order, shutting the schools over there will cause masses of issues that we will not see over here as their scrote ratio is off the charts!

UrbanFret

Deleted User wrote: »

The only way I can explain the UK strategy is to compare it to fighting forest fires. Maybe this has been said already, apologies if so.

You have 10,000 trees. The first 2,000 are on fire. (Have the virus). So the firefighters go to around tree 5,000 and they burn that whole section down in a controlled manner. (Allow them to catch the virus). Now when the fire reaches that section it can't spread any further because there's nothing there to burn , (that part of the herd has immunity now) saving the final 5,000 trees.

Except the UK are talking about people, not f*****ing trees. They are going to let this virus burn through half their population and make some people sick, some people very sick and some people die. And not only that but because they're not enacting measures to slow the spread of this fire, there will far, FAR more people sick at any one time than their health services can cope with which simply means countless people will die who would otherwise not die.

Yes, no matter what measures are taken some people will lose their lives. That is inevitable. But the UKs strategy is sentencing people to die who DON'T need to die. Even young people, even healthy people can experience complications that can't be treated if there's no room and no equipment and no doctors spare to help them.

As a firefighter I see the logic unfortunately it has a fatal flaw in that the trees are static and never leave the place there in .

GM228

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1239533693523419136?s=19

Klonker

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Even if they were just up the road you can't really look after them without putting them at risk. They are probably best where they are for all the reasons you outlined above.

My parents are 20 mins away from me and I have to do all my contact now by text, phone and video call. Even if I feel well, I would be putting them at risk if I visit, as I could have it and not even know.

You can call to the house and stand outside the door or window and chat them, or depending on house you could just park car ourside and let down window.

Gods Gift

spookwoman wrote: »

New System For Coronavirus Testing Crashes
https://twitter.com/FM104/status/1239534580568391680?s=20

Computers have not been obeying the social distancing advice.

1641

A very good read about a boy's experience in the Cork polio epedemic of 1956 and the amount of fear it generated. Interesting the various "theories" about its spread and how it could be contained - some echoes of us today:

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/features/polio-the-deadly-summer-of-1956-2117253.html

all about the mane

patnor1011 wrote: »

Problem is no matter what they do there is no slowing down with this virus. Chinese tried it right from the start with army on the street and with full might of a police state. It is not working and we simply do not have capacity to deal with it. Neither does any other country. There are waiting lists for every medical procedure and with this virus added to what was overwhelmed medical industry even before this virus emerged future do not look good anyway.

So while it is popular here to bash UK and Boris they at least did not bombed their economy.

China have been very successful in their measures. Why are you claiming otherwise?

Red for Danger

Wibbs wrote: »

No. In China stocks didn't run dry. In Italy stocks aren't running dry. In Germany, France, Spain, Sweden etc stocks aren't running dry. So why in God's name do you think they will in Ireland? A country of a much lower population density and in a pinch one of the few EU nations that can actually feed ourselves? Oh and in even the heaviest lock down in China and elsewhere people were still allowed to go to the shops, or supplies was delivered to them.

Seriously, where are people getting this notion? I can only assume it's the early stages of panic, after the period of denial. The same nonsense that had bogroll fly off the shelves. :rolleyes:

I specifically said in the last 2 posts ITS NOT ABOUT THE STOCKS RUNNING DRY!!!! Its about people not want to be caught flat footed during the worst few days of the pandemic. And having to go out and do a full family supermarket shopping then

patnor1011

scamalert wrote: »

theres no flat curve scenario in this, how can you not wrap you head around that 3-4 weeks wont make it go away as it will take single case to start over again, people speak about ventilator - check stats on survival once someone is put on one of these it drops to single digits survival, where body either fights or goes into further shut down.


forget the talks about vaccine it wont happen anytime soon either, so you propose that we tank our economy back to stone age, by trying to close off everything when it will be minutes before it breaks out again.


im not against putting priority those in actual danger group of age or existing conditions, but majority seem to overcome it with little to none complications.

That. And simple thing people refuse to realize that no matter what you do everyone will eventually get it. This virus is here to stay like influenza does. We will get different strains every now and then and while there may be some vaccines for some strain of it sometime in the future this can not be eradicated and we will have to learn to live with it.

caveat emptor

Inquitus wrote: »

This all relies far too heavily on people doing what they are told, which has been shown has not worked from Country to Country since the beginning, only China had the authoritarian powers to put soldiers on the streets and truly shut everything down, everyone else has failed to impress on their populations the importance of following guidance, the Brits being some of the worse for this in the norm as well.

The UK has plenty of powers regarding army on the street. They serve the monarch and will be on streets to defend the realm before this is over. Come what may.

kowloon

Deleted User wrote: »

The elderly And vulnerable are advised to stay indoors for up to 4 months.

Do you think they will?
I'm not saying it won't work, but they are exposed to more risk.

is_that_so

Gods Gift wrote: »

Computers have not been obeying the social distancing advice.

Well you can see what COVID-19 does to this place at times! 2500 GPs!

amacca

s982102 wrote: »

Fourthly, economy in UK will suffer in the long run if they dont put effort into slowing or stopping the spreading as lots of people will die. Doing nothing will not help the economy. It is just simple lazy politics.

Thats what I think except I dont think its lazy......I think its ideological, they (the powers that be atm) have seized upon this as a perfect opportunity to demonstrate that they can go it alone and that the EU was only holding them back such was the bitterness between the two factions over brexit....this at a time when one would imagine international co-operation after the initial panic phase would be the best strategy.

I hope they dont fly too close to the sun!

Klonker

Klonker wrote: »

You can call to the house and stand outside the door or window and chat them, or depending on house you could just park car ourside and let down window.

Yeah I did that on Friday. Stood a couple of meters from the door and had a chat. Only because I was dropping some stuff off for them that I didn't want them going out to get for themselves. Still felt a little anxious about it though, just because of all the conflicting reports about how far away you really need to be. I'm just trying to play it very very safe when it comes to my parents but will probably call again and do similar if I feel I need to see them in the flesh.

If there's no big lockdown my dad will be back at work in a week and a half

GM228

Gods Gift wrote: »

Computers have not been obeying the social distancing advice.

They need their McAfee updated to keep away the virus